Private Gun Sales.

[progressive hunter]

Constitutional amendments themselves are not laws.

are you saying we dont have to give due proccess and a trial and go straight to execution??

or that slavery is still legal??

I could go on but I hope that shows the mistake youre making with this comment,,

 

[Blues Man]

I'm curious how many people buy or sell guns from or to a person they don't know.

I have never bought or sold a gun in a private sale. I don't want to buy a gun from someone only to find out it's a piece of junk and I don't want to buy any guns that may have been used in a crime so I only buy from licensed dealers.

I don't want to sell a gun to a person I don't know who may not be responsible or may commit crimes with a gun.

I asked a licenced FFL I hadn't purchaced from before what kind of warranty he offered ... He said "A Taillight Warranty"...as in, when your taillights disappear from view, so does the warranty.

I buy from private individuals, FFLs and online gun stores.

Never had an issue.

Selling is a different story...

I will only sell to unknown individual with a Missouri CCW. Otherwise I'll just sell or trade with folks I know or my local FFL.

I oppose banning private sales.

A ban of private sales is a de facto registration scheme. The first step to confiscation.

Do you oppose background checks for private sales?

Yes, for several reasons.
One is that they then let the government know what you have.
It also costs money.
The government won't let just anyone do a background checks, so you have to go through and pay an FFL.
Background check are pointless since any criminal will just get their weapons illegally.
Federal background check laws are specifically illegal according to the constitution.

The idea of turning the whole country into a supervised institution is insane.
What a normal society does instead is put only dangerous people into supervised institutions.

So you don't care if you sell a gun to a guy who uses it to murder someone or is felon or if you buy a possibly stolen gun that some criminal is selling you?

I think the $25 bucks an FFL charges is worth it for my own peace of mind

No one intent on murder is ever going to be effected by a gun law, so there is no reason not to sell to them.
Felons can not legally be prevented from the right of self defense.
Creating a 2nd tier of reduced rights for felons is illegal.
Stolen guns get sold to felons who are wiling to pay more for them, so there is risk of buying a stolen one.

I disagree as regards felons. Felons have proven that they have no regard for the Rights of others so I have no problem limiting theirs.

you arent the god that gives and takes our rights,, but thanks for your opinion,,

If you commit a felony you have given up your rights by being irresponsible

sorry but youre not the god that gives and takes rights away,,

you leftist are always the same,, you attack anyone that doesnt toe the line,,,

What you don't realize is that I cannot violate any of your rights.

I don't have to sell you a gun if I don't want to. I don't have to allow you the right to say whatever you want in my home or business. etc

The Bill of Rights only protects you from the government violating your rights.

youre opinion can start the process and support it,,,

I had nothing to do with federal gun laws that are on the books.

I just happen to agree that people who choose to commit felonies shouldn't own guns because they have already proven they are incapable of handling the responsibility.

how would you know if someone has committed a felony???

did you commit any??
if I can prove you did will you turn over you guns??

I would check. If a person has been convicted of a felony it is public record.

And I have never been charged or convicted of a felony.

we arent talking about what youve been convicted of,, we are talking about what youve done,,

how many felonies do you think you commit each yr??

All that matters is what a person has been convicted of.

Because that's the only thing we can get reliable data for.

theres good data that everyone commits several felonies a yr,, so by your leftist standard no one should be allowed to own a gun,,,

I see your goal and reject its intent,,

No there really isn't. If there was you could tell me what felonies I have allegedly committed this year.

And FYI the federal law specifically states convicted felons so your attempt to move the goal posts is noted.

Second Amendment
Second Amendment Annotated


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

sorry I'm not seeing that in the fed law,,,

you leftist are the ones moving the goal post,,

Constitutional amendments themselves are not laws.

And now I'm a leftists. I wish you people would make up your minds.

So tell me if it is unconstitutional for there to be a federal gun law that states convicted felons are not allowed to possess firearms, why aren't you challenging that law and taking it to the Supreme Court?

as usual when a leftist cant defend their POV they start with the personal attacks,,,

its not about me,,

dont get mad at me, youre the one defending unconstitutional laws that take away a persons rights,,,

and who are "you people"??? americans?? cause thats what I am,,

What personal attack?

And you people on this message board who can't seem to understand that the world isn't just composed of right and left , black or white etc.

So stop whining and answer the question I asked you.

 

[Blues Man]

Constitutional amendments themselves are not laws.

are you saying we dont have to give due proccess and a trial and go straight to execution??

or that slavery is still legal??

I could go on but I hope that shows the mistake youre making with this comment,,

But you forget that slavery is still legal if you happen to be incarcerated.

Like I said there is no black and white in the real world.

So tell me if the federal law that prohibits convicted felons from owning firearms is unconstitutional why hasn't it been brought up through the courts and heard by SCOTUS:?

 

[progressive hunter]

I'm curious how many people buy or sell guns from or to a person they don't know.

I have never bought or sold a gun in a private sale. I don't want to buy a gun from someone only to find out it's a piece of junk and I don't want to buy any guns that may have been used in a crime so I only buy from licensed dealers.

I don't want to sell a gun to a person I don't know who may not be responsible or may commit crimes with a gun.

I asked a licenced FFL I hadn't purchaced from before what kind of warranty he offered ... He said "A Taillight Warranty"...as in, when your taillights disappear from view, so does the warranty.

I buy from private individuals, FFLs and online gun stores.

Never had an issue.

Selling is a different story...

I will only sell to unknown individual with a Missouri CCW. Otherwise I'll just sell or trade with folks I know or my local FFL.

I oppose banning private sales.

A ban of private sales is a de facto registration scheme. The first step to confiscation.

Do you oppose background checks for private sales?

Yes, for several reasons.
One is that they then let the government know what you have.
It also costs money.
The government won't let just anyone do a background checks, so you have to go through and pay an FFL.
Background check are pointless since any criminal will just get their weapons illegally.
Federal background check laws are specifically illegal according to the constitution.

The idea of turning the whole country into a supervised institution is insane.
What a normal society does instead is put only dangerous people into supervised institutions.

So you don't care if you sell a gun to a guy who uses it to murder someone or is felon or if you buy a possibly stolen gun that some criminal is selling you?

I think the $25 bucks an FFL charges is worth it for my own peace of mind

No one intent on murder is ever going to be effected by a gun law, so there is no reason not to sell to them.
Felons can not legally be prevented from the right of self defense.
Creating a 2nd tier of reduced rights for felons is illegal.
Stolen guns get sold to felons who are wiling to pay more for them, so there is risk of buying a stolen one.

I disagree as regards felons. Felons have proven that they have no regard for the Rights of others so I have no problem limiting theirs.

you arent the god that gives and takes our rights,, but thanks for your opinion,,

If you commit a felony you have given up your rights by being irresponsible

sorry but youre not the god that gives and takes rights away,,

you leftist are always the same,, you attack anyone that doesnt toe the line,,,

What you don't realize is that I cannot violate any of your rights.

I don't have to sell you a gun if I don't want to. I don't have to allow you the right to say whatever you want in my home or business. etc

The Bill of Rights only protects you from the government violating your rights.

youre opinion can start the process and support it,,,

I had nothing to do with federal gun laws that are on the books.

I just happen to agree that people who choose to commit felonies shouldn't own guns because they have already proven they are incapable of handling the responsibility.

how would you know if someone has committed a felony???

did you commit any??
if I can prove you did will you turn over you guns??

I would check. If a person has been convicted of a felony it is public record.

And I have never been charged or convicted of a felony.

we arent talking about what youve been convicted of,, we are talking about what youve done,,

how many felonies do you think you commit each yr??

All that matters is what a person has been convicted of.

Because that's the only thing we can get reliable data for.

theres good data that everyone commits several felonies a yr,, so by your leftist standard no one should be allowed to own a gun,,,

I see your goal and reject its intent,,

No there really isn't. If there was you could tell me what felonies I have allegedly committed this year.

And FYI the federal law specifically states convicted felons so your attempt to move the goal posts is noted.

Second Amendment
Second Amendment Annotated


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

sorry I'm not seeing that in the fed law,,,

you leftist are the ones moving the goal post,,

Constitutional amendments themselves are not laws.

And now I'm a leftists. I wish you people would make up your minds.

So tell me if it is unconstitutional for there to be a federal gun law that states convicted felons are not allowed to possess firearms, why aren't you challenging that law and taking it to the Supreme Court?

as usual when a leftist cant defend their POV they start with the personal attacks,,,

its not about me,,

dont get mad at me, youre the one defending unconstitutional laws that take away a persons rights,,,

and who are "you people"??? americans?? cause thats what I am,,

What personal attack?

And you people on this message board who can't seem to understand that the world isn't just composed of right and left , black or white etc.

So stop whining and answer the question I asked you.

I know its not,, but you are clearly a leftist authoritarian that couldnt care less about human rights,,,

how do you know I am not part of the fight to take down unconstitutional gun laws?? FYI,,, I am,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

Constitutional amendments themselves are not laws.

are you saying we dont have to give due proccess and a trial and go straight to execution??

or that slavery is still legal??

I could go on but I hope that shows the mistake youre making with this comment,,

But you forget that slavery is still legal if you happen to be incarcerated.

Like I said there is no black and white in the real world.

So tell me if the federal law that prohibits convicted felons from owning firearms is unconstitutional why hasn't it been brought up through the courts and heard by SCOTUS:?

thats not slavery,, thats being punished for a crime,,,

 

[miketx]

Constitutional amendments themselves are not laws.

are you saying we dont have to give due proccess and a trial and go straight to execution??

or that slavery is still legal??

I could go on but I hope that shows the mistake youre making with this comment,,

But you forget that slavery is still legal if you happen to be incarcerated.

Like I said there is no black and white in the real world.

So tell me if the federal law that prohibits convicted felons from owning firearms is unconstitutional why hasn't it been brought up through the courts and heard by SCOTUS:?

thats not slavery,, thats being punished for a crime,,,

Ok, but once released from prison, where you paid for your crime, why still punish them?

 

[Blues Man]

I'm curious how many people buy or sell guns from or to a person they don't know.

I have never bought or sold a gun in a private sale. I don't want to buy a gun from someone only to find out it's a piece of junk and I don't want to buy any guns that may have been used in a crime so I only buy from licensed dealers.

I don't want to sell a gun to a person I don't know who may not be responsible or may commit crimes with a gun.

I asked a licenced FFL I hadn't purchaced from before what kind of warranty he offered ... He said "A Taillight Warranty"...as in, when your taillights disappear from view, so does the warranty.

I buy from private individuals, FFLs and online gun stores.

Never had an issue.

Selling is a different story...

I will only sell to unknown individual with a Missouri CCW. Otherwise I'll just sell or trade with folks I know or my local FFL.

I oppose banning private sales.

A ban of private sales is a de facto registration scheme. The first step to confiscation.

Do you oppose background checks for private sales?

Yes, for several reasons.
One is that they then let the government know what you have.
It also costs money.
The government won't let just anyone do a background checks, so you have to go through and pay an FFL.
Background check are pointless since any criminal will just get their weapons illegally.
Federal background check laws are specifically illegal according to the constitution.

The idea of turning the whole country into a supervised institution is insane.
What a normal society does instead is put only dangerous people into supervised institutions.

So you don't care if you sell a gun to a guy who uses it to murder someone or is felon or if you buy a possibly stolen gun that some criminal is selling you?

I think the $25 bucks an FFL charges is worth it for my own peace of mind

No one intent on murder is ever going to be effected by a gun law, so there is no reason not to sell to them.
Felons can not legally be prevented from the right of self defense.
Creating a 2nd tier of reduced rights for felons is illegal.
Stolen guns get sold to felons who are wiling to pay more for them, so there is risk of buying a stolen one.

I disagree as regards felons. Felons have proven that they have no regard for the Rights of others so I have no problem limiting theirs.

you arent the god that gives and takes our rights,, but thanks for your opinion,,

If you commit a felony you have given up your rights by being irresponsible

sorry but youre not the god that gives and takes rights away,,

you leftist are always the same,, you attack anyone that doesnt toe the line,,,

What you don't realize is that I cannot violate any of your rights.

I don't have to sell you a gun if I don't want to. I don't have to allow you the right to say whatever you want in my home or business. etc

The Bill of Rights only protects you from the government violating your rights.

youre opinion can start the process and support it,,,

I had nothing to do with federal gun laws that are on the books.

I just happen to agree that people who choose to commit felonies shouldn't own guns because they have already proven they are incapable of handling the responsibility.

how would you know if someone has committed a felony???

did you commit any??
if I can prove you did will you turn over you guns??

I would check. If a person has been convicted of a felony it is public record.

And I have never been charged or convicted of a felony.

we arent talking about what youve been convicted of,, we are talking about what youve done,,

how many felonies do you think you commit each yr??

All that matters is what a person has been convicted of.

Because that's the only thing we can get reliable data for.

theres good data that everyone commits several felonies a yr,, so by your leftist standard no one should be allowed to own a gun,,,

I see your goal and reject its intent,,

No there really isn't. If there was you could tell me what felonies I have allegedly committed this year.

And FYI the federal law specifically states convicted felons so your attempt to move the goal posts is noted.

Second Amendment
Second Amendment Annotated


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

sorry I'm not seeing that in the fed law,,,

you leftist are the ones moving the goal post,,

Constitutional amendments themselves are not laws.

And now I'm a leftists. I wish you people would make up your minds.

So tell me if it is unconstitutional for there to be a federal gun law that states convicted felons are not allowed to possess firearms, why aren't you challenging that law and taking it to the Supreme Court?

as usual when a leftist cant defend their POV they start with the personal attacks,,,

its not about me,,

dont get mad at me, youre the one defending unconstitutional laws that take away a persons rights,,,

and who are "you people"??? americans?? cause thats what I am,,

What personal attack?

And you people on this message board who can't seem to understand that the world isn't just composed of right and left , black or white etc.

So stop whining and answer the question I asked you.

I know its not,, but you are clearly a leftist authoritarian that couldnt care less about human rights,,,

how do you know I am not part of the fight to take down unconstitutional gun laws?? FYI,,, I am,,,

If you insist on 2 dimensional thinking then ponder this.

I support Constitutional Carry laws. I do no think that any additional permits need be required for concealed carry. I just don't think convicted felons should be able to own firearms. And if you are correct then surely there would be Supreme Court cases that show prohibiting convicted felons from owning firearms is unconstitutional.

If that law is struck down as unconstitutional then I will abide by it because unlike convicted felons i obey the law. But that still in no way stops me from selling a gun to a person that has been convicted of a felony.

 

[progressive hunter]

Constitutional amendments themselves are not laws.

are you saying we dont have to give due proccess and a trial and go straight to execution??

or that slavery is still legal??

I could go on but I hope that shows the mistake youre making with this comment,,

But you forget that slavery is still legal if you happen to be incarcerated.

Like I said there is no black and white in the real world.

So tell me if the federal law that prohibits convicted felons from owning firearms is unconstitutional why hasn't it been brought up through the courts and heard by SCOTUS:?

thats not slavery,, thats being punished for a crime,,,

Ok, but once released from prison, where you paid for your crime, why still punish them?

if youve fully paid your debt to society you should get back all your rights,,

 

[Blues Man]

Constitutional amendments themselves are not laws.

are you saying we dont have to give due proccess and a trial and go straight to execution??

or that slavery is still legal??

I could go on but I hope that shows the mistake youre making with this comment,,

But you forget that slavery is still legal if you happen to be incarcerated.

Like I said there is no black and white in the real world.

So tell me if the federal law that prohibits convicted felons from owning firearms is unconstitutional why hasn't it been brought up through the courts and heard by SCOTUS:?

thats not slavery,, thats being punished for a crime,,,

Ok, but once released from prison, where you paid for your crime, why still punish them?

Actions have consequences.

 

[progressive hunter]

I'm curious how many people buy or sell guns from or to a person they don't know.

I have never bought or sold a gun in a private sale. I don't want to buy a gun from someone only to find out it's a piece of junk and I don't want to buy any guns that may have been used in a crime so I only buy from licensed dealers.

I don't want to sell a gun to a person I don't know who may not be responsible or may commit crimes with a gun.

I asked a licenced FFL I hadn't purchaced from before what kind of warranty he offered ... He said "A Taillight Warranty"...as in, when your taillights disappear from view, so does the warranty.

I buy from private individuals, FFLs and online gun stores.

Never had an issue.

Selling is a different story...

I will only sell to unknown individual with a Missouri CCW. Otherwise I'll just sell or trade with folks I know or my local FFL.

I oppose banning private sales.

A ban of private sales is a de facto registration scheme. The first step to confiscation.

Do you oppose background checks for private sales?

Yes, for several reasons.
One is that they then let the government know what you have.
It also costs money.
The government won't let just anyone do a background checks, so you have to go through and pay an FFL.
Background check are pointless since any criminal will just get their weapons illegally.
Federal background check laws are specifically illegal according to the constitution.

The idea of turning the whole country into a supervised institution is insane.
What a normal society does instead is put only dangerous people into supervised institutions.

So you don't care if you sell a gun to a guy who uses it to murder someone or is felon or if you buy a possibly stolen gun that some criminal is selling you?

I think the $25 bucks an FFL charges is worth it for my own peace of mind

No one intent on murder is ever going to be effected by a gun law, so there is no reason not to sell to them.
Felons can not legally be prevented from the right of self defense.
Creating a 2nd tier of reduced rights for felons is illegal.
Stolen guns get sold to felons who are wiling to pay more for them, so there is risk of buying a stolen one.

I disagree as regards felons. Felons have proven that they have no regard for the Rights of others so I have no problem limiting theirs.

you arent the god that gives and takes our rights,, but thanks for your opinion,,

If you commit a felony you have given up your rights by being irresponsible

sorry but youre not the god that gives and takes rights away,,

you leftist are always the same,, you attack anyone that doesnt toe the line,,,

What you don't realize is that I cannot violate any of your rights.

I don't have to sell you a gun if I don't want to. I don't have to allow you the right to say whatever you want in my home or business. etc

The Bill of Rights only protects you from the government violating your rights.

youre opinion can start the process and support it,,,

I had nothing to do with federal gun laws that are on the books.

I just happen to agree that people who choose to commit felonies shouldn't own guns because they have already proven they are incapable of handling the responsibility.

how would you know if someone has committed a felony???

did you commit any??
if I can prove you did will you turn over you guns??

I would check. If a person has been convicted of a felony it is public record.

And I have never been charged or convicted of a felony.

we arent talking about what youve been convicted of,, we are talking about what youve done,,

how many felonies do you think you commit each yr??

All that matters is what a person has been convicted of.

Because that's the only thing we can get reliable data for.

theres good data that everyone commits several felonies a yr,, so by your leftist standard no one should be allowed to own a gun,,,

I see your goal and reject its intent,,

No there really isn't. If there was you could tell me what felonies I have allegedly committed this year.

And FYI the federal law specifically states convicted felons so your attempt to move the goal posts is noted.

Second Amendment
Second Amendment Annotated


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

sorry I'm not seeing that in the fed law,,,

you leftist are the ones moving the goal post,,

Constitutional amendments themselves are not laws.

And now I'm a leftists. I wish you people would make up your minds.

So tell me if it is unconstitutional for there to be a federal gun law that states convicted felons are not allowed to possess firearms, why aren't you challenging that law and taking it to the Supreme Court?

as usual when a leftist cant defend their POV they start with the personal attacks,,,

its not about me,,

dont get mad at me, youre the one defending unconstitutional laws that take away a persons rights,,,

and who are "you people"??? americans?? cause thats what I am,,

What personal attack?

And you people on this message board who can't seem to understand that the world isn't just composed of right and left , black or white etc.

So stop whining and answer the question I asked you.

I know its not,, but you are clearly a leftist authoritarian that couldnt care less about human rights,,,

how do you know I am not part of the fight to take down unconstitutional gun laws?? FYI,,, I am,,,

If you insist on 2 dimensional thinking then ponder this.

I support Constitutional Carry laws. I do no think that any additional permits need be required for concealed carry. I just don't think convicted felons should be able to own firearms. And if you are correct then surely there would be Supreme Court cases that show prohibiting convicted felons from owning firearms is unconstitutional.

If that law is struck down as unconstitutional then I will abide by it because unlike convicted felons i obey the law. But that still in no way stops me from selling a gun to a person that has been convicted of a felony.

so a man that gets attacked on a public street after he takes his family to dinner and defends himself and family and causes the death of the attacker should loose his right to protect that family after being released from prison??

 

[progressive hunter]

Constitutional amendments themselves are not laws.

are you saying we dont have to give due proccess and a trial and go straight to execution??

or that slavery is still legal??

I could go on but I hope that shows the mistake youre making with this comment,,

But you forget that slavery is still legal if you happen to be incarcerated.

Like I said there is no black and white in the real world.

So tell me if the federal law that prohibits convicted felons from owning firearms is unconstitutional why hasn't it been brought up through the courts and heard by SCOTUS:?

thats not slavery,, thats being punished for a crime,,,

Ok, but once released from prison, where you paid for your crime, why still punish them?

Actions have consequences.

thats what prison is for,, but after the debt has been paid you want to continue punishing them,,

 

[miketx]

Constitutional amendments themselves are not laws.

are you saying we dont have to give due proccess and a trial and go straight to execution??

or that slavery is still legal??

I could go on but I hope that shows the mistake youre making with this comment,,

But you forget that slavery is still legal if you happen to be incarcerated.

Like I said there is no black and white in the real world.

So tell me if the federal law that prohibits convicted felons from owning firearms is unconstitutional why hasn't it been brought up through the courts and heard by SCOTUS:?

thats not slavery,, thats being punished for a crime,,,

Ok, but once released from prison, where you paid for your crime, why still punish them?

Actions have consequences.

Why still punish them after paying for your crime? If they are too evil to own guns don't let them out.

 

[Blues Man]

I'm curious how many people buy or sell guns from or to a person they don't know.

I have never bought or sold a gun in a private sale. I don't want to buy a gun from someone only to find out it's a piece of junk and I don't want to buy any guns that may have been used in a crime so I only buy from licensed dealers.

I don't want to sell a gun to a person I don't know who may not be responsible or may commit crimes with a gun.

I asked a licenced FFL I hadn't purchaced from before what kind of warranty he offered ... He said "A Taillight Warranty"...as in, when your taillights disappear from view, so does the warranty.

I buy from private individuals, FFLs and online gun stores.

Never had an issue.

Selling is a different story...

I will only sell to unknown individual with a Missouri CCW. Otherwise I'll just sell or trade with folks I know or my local FFL.

I oppose banning private sales.

A ban of private sales is a de facto registration scheme. The first step to confiscation.

Do you oppose background checks for private sales?

Yes, for several reasons.
One is that they then let the government know what you have.
It also costs money.
The government won't let just anyone do a background checks, so you have to go through and pay an FFL.
Background check are pointless since any criminal will just get their weapons illegally.
Federal background check laws are specifically illegal according to the constitution.

The idea of turning the whole country into a supervised institution is insane.
What a normal society does instead is put only dangerous people into supervised institutions.

So you don't care if you sell a gun to a guy who uses it to murder someone or is felon or if you buy a possibly stolen gun that some criminal is selling you?

I think the $25 bucks an FFL charges is worth it for my own peace of mind

No one intent on murder is ever going to be effected by a gun law, so there is no reason not to sell to them.
Felons can not legally be prevented from the right of self defense.
Creating a 2nd tier of reduced rights for felons is illegal.
Stolen guns get sold to felons who are wiling to pay more for them, so there is risk of buying a stolen one.

I disagree as regards felons. Felons have proven that they have no regard for the Rights of others so I have no problem limiting theirs.

you arent the god that gives and takes our rights,, but thanks for your opinion,,

If you commit a felony you have given up your rights by being irresponsible

sorry but youre not the god that gives and takes rights away,,

you leftist are always the same,, you attack anyone that doesnt toe the line,,,

What you don't realize is that I cannot violate any of your rights.

I don't have to sell you a gun if I don't want to. I don't have to allow you the right to say whatever you want in my home or business. etc

The Bill of Rights only protects you from the government violating your rights.

youre opinion can start the process and support it,,,

I had nothing to do with federal gun laws that are on the books.

I just happen to agree that people who choose to commit felonies shouldn't own guns because they have already proven they are incapable of handling the responsibility.

how would you know if someone has committed a felony???

did you commit any??
if I can prove you did will you turn over you guns??

I would check. If a person has been convicted of a felony it is public record.

And I have never been charged or convicted of a felony.

we arent talking about what youve been convicted of,, we are talking about what youve done,,

how many felonies do you think you commit each yr??

All that matters is what a person has been convicted of.

Because that's the only thing we can get reliable data for.

theres good data that everyone commits several felonies a yr,, so by your leftist standard no one should be allowed to own a gun,,,

I see your goal and reject its intent,,

No there really isn't. If there was you could tell me what felonies I have allegedly committed this year.

And FYI the federal law specifically states convicted felons so your attempt to move the goal posts is noted.

Second Amendment
Second Amendment Annotated


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

sorry I'm not seeing that in the fed law,,,

you leftist are the ones moving the goal post,,

Constitutional amendments themselves are not laws.

And now I'm a leftists. I wish you people would make up your minds.

So tell me if it is unconstitutional for there to be a federal gun law that states convicted felons are not allowed to possess firearms, why aren't you challenging that law and taking it to the Supreme Court?

as usual when a leftist cant defend their POV they start with the personal attacks,,,

its not about me,,

dont get mad at me, youre the one defending unconstitutional laws that take away a persons rights,,,

and who are "you people"??? americans?? cause thats what I am,,

What personal attack?

And you people on this message board who can't seem to understand that the world isn't just composed of right and left , black or white etc.

So stop whining and answer the question I asked you.

I know its not,, but you are clearly a leftist authoritarian that couldnt care less about human rights,,,

how do you know I am not part of the fight to take down unconstitutional gun laws?? FYI,,, I am,,,

If you insist on 2 dimensional thinking then ponder this.

I support Constitutional Carry laws. I do no think that any additional permits need be required for concealed carry. I just don't think convicted felons should be able to own firearms. And if you are correct then surely there would be Supreme Court cases that show prohibiting convicted felons from owning firearms is unconstitutional.

If that law is struck down as unconstitutional then I will abide by it because unlike convicted felons i obey the law. But that still in no way stops me from selling a gun to a person that has been convicted of a felony.

so a man that gets attacked on a public street after he takes his family to dinner and defends himself and family and causes the death of the attacker should loose his right to protect that family after being released from prison??

Since when is self defense a felony?

 

[Blues Man]

Constitutional amendments themselves are not laws.

are you saying we dont have to give due proccess and a trial and go straight to execution??

or that slavery is still legal??

I could go on but I hope that shows the mistake youre making with this comment,,

But you forget that slavery is still legal if you happen to be incarcerated.

Like I said there is no black and white in the real world.

So tell me if the federal law that prohibits convicted felons from owning firearms is unconstitutional why hasn't it been brought up through the courts and heard by SCOTUS:?

thats not slavery,, thats being punished for a crime,,,

Ok, but once released from prison, where you paid for your crime, why still punish them?

Actions have consequences.

Why still punish them after paying for your crime? If they are too evil to own guns don't let them out.

Like I said if the law that bars felons from owning guns is found unconstitutional so be it. I would still not sell a gun to a felon in a private sale. Just like I wouldn't hire an accountant convicted of embezzlement to do my books or a convicted child rapist to run a day care.

I suppose you think all those things are OK.

 

[progressive hunter]

I'm curious how many people buy or sell guns from or to a person they don't know.

I have never bought or sold a gun in a private sale. I don't want to buy a gun from someone only to find out it's a piece of junk and I don't want to buy any guns that may have been used in a crime so I only buy from licensed dealers.

I don't want to sell a gun to a person I don't know who may not be responsible or may commit crimes with a gun.

I asked a licenced FFL I hadn't purchaced from before what kind of warranty he offered ... He said "A Taillight Warranty"...as in, when your taillights disappear from view, so does the warranty.

I buy from private individuals, FFLs and online gun stores.

Never had an issue.

Selling is a different story...

I will only sell to unknown individual with a Missouri CCW. Otherwise I'll just sell or trade with folks I know or my local FFL.

I oppose banning private sales.

A ban of private sales is a de facto registration scheme. The first step to confiscation.

Do you oppose background checks for private sales?

Yes, for several reasons.
One is that they then let the government know what you have.
It also costs money.
The government won't let just anyone do a background checks, so you have to go through and pay an FFL.
Background check are pointless since any criminal will just get their weapons illegally.
Federal background check laws are specifically illegal according to the constitution.

The idea of turning the whole country into a supervised institution is insane.
What a normal society does instead is put only dangerous people into supervised institutions.

So you don't care if you sell a gun to a guy who uses it to murder someone or is felon or if you buy a possibly stolen gun that some criminal is selling you?

I think the $25 bucks an FFL charges is worth it for my own peace of mind

No one intent on murder is ever going to be effected by a gun law, so there is no reason not to sell to them.
Felons can not legally be prevented from the right of self defense.
Creating a 2nd tier of reduced rights for felons is illegal.
Stolen guns get sold to felons who are wiling to pay more for them, so there is risk of buying a stolen one.

I disagree as regards felons. Felons have proven that they have no regard for the Rights of others so I have no problem limiting theirs.

you arent the god that gives and takes our rights,, but thanks for your opinion,,

If you commit a felony you have given up your rights by being irresponsible

sorry but youre not the god that gives and takes rights away,,

you leftist are always the same,, you attack anyone that doesnt toe the line,,,

What you don't realize is that I cannot violate any of your rights.

I don't have to sell you a gun if I don't want to. I don't have to allow you the right to say whatever you want in my home or business. etc

The Bill of Rights only protects you from the government violating your rights.

youre opinion can start the process and support it,,,

I had nothing to do with federal gun laws that are on the books.

I just happen to agree that people who choose to commit felonies shouldn't own guns because they have already proven they are incapable of handling the responsibility.

how would you know if someone has committed a felony???

did you commit any??
if I can prove you did will you turn over you guns??

I would check. If a person has been convicted of a felony it is public record.

And I have never been charged or convicted of a felony.

we arent talking about what youve been convicted of,, we are talking about what youve done,,

how many felonies do you think you commit each yr??

All that matters is what a person has been convicted of.

Because that's the only thing we can get reliable data for.

theres good data that everyone commits several felonies a yr,, so by your leftist standard no one should be allowed to own a gun,,,

I see your goal and reject its intent,,

No there really isn't. If there was you could tell me what felonies I have allegedly committed this year.

And FYI the federal law specifically states convicted felons so your attempt to move the goal posts is noted.

Second Amendment
Second Amendment Annotated


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

sorry I'm not seeing that in the fed law,,,

you leftist are the ones moving the goal post,,

Constitutional amendments themselves are not laws.

And now I'm a leftists. I wish you people would make up your minds.

So tell me if it is unconstitutional for there to be a federal gun law that states convicted felons are not allowed to possess firearms, why aren't you challenging that law and taking it to the Supreme Court?

as usual when a leftist cant defend their POV they start with the personal attacks,,,

its not about me,,

dont get mad at me, youre the one defending unconstitutional laws that take away a persons rights,,,

and who are "you people"??? americans?? cause thats what I am,,

What personal attack?

And you people on this message board who can't seem to understand that the world isn't just composed of right and left , black or white etc.

So stop whining and answer the question I asked you.

I know its not,, but you are clearly a leftist authoritarian that couldnt care less about human rights,,,

how do you know I am not part of the fight to take down unconstitutional gun laws?? FYI,,, I am,,,

If you insist on 2 dimensional thinking then ponder this.

I support Constitutional Carry laws. I do no think that any additional permits need be required for concealed carry. I just don't think convicted felons should be able to own firearms. And if you are correct then surely there would be Supreme Court cases that show prohibiting convicted felons from owning firearms is unconstitutional.

If that law is struck down as unconstitutional then I will abide by it because unlike convicted felons i obey the law. But that still in no way stops me from selling a gun to a person that has been convicted of a felony.

so a man that gets attacked on a public street after he takes his family to dinner and defends himself and family and causes the death of the attacker should loose his right to protect that family after being released from prison??

Since when is self defense a felony?

since there are many people in jail right now for that,,,

and dont ask for a link because you know its true that people that defend themselves are being convicted for doing it,, just look at the mcclosckys in st louis right now,,,

 

[Blues Man]

Constitutional amendments themselves are not laws.

are you saying we dont have to give due proccess and a trial and go straight to execution??

or that slavery is still legal??

I could go on but I hope that shows the mistake youre making with this comment,,

But you forget that slavery is still legal if you happen to be incarcerated.

Like I said there is no black and white in the real world.

So tell me if the federal law that prohibits convicted felons from owning firearms is unconstitutional why hasn't it been brought up through the courts and heard by SCOTUS:?

thats not slavery,, thats being punished for a crime,,,

Ok, but once released from prison, where you paid for your crime, why still punish them?

Actions have consequences.

thats what prison is for,, but after the debt has been paid you want to continue punishing them,,

So let me know when you hire a convicted child rapist to watch your kids.

 

[Blues Man]

I'm curious how many people buy or sell guns from or to a person they don't know.

I have never bought or sold a gun in a private sale. I don't want to buy a gun from someone only to find out it's a piece of junk and I don't want to buy any guns that may have been used in a crime so I only buy from licensed dealers.

I don't want to sell a gun to a person I don't know who may not be responsible or may commit crimes with a gun.

I asked a licenced FFL I hadn't purchaced from before what kind of warranty he offered ... He said "A Taillight Warranty"...as in, when your taillights disappear from view, so does the warranty.

I buy from private individuals, FFLs and online gun stores.

Never had an issue.

Selling is a different story...

I will only sell to unknown individual with a Missouri CCW. Otherwise I'll just sell or trade with folks I know or my local FFL.

I oppose banning private sales.

A ban of private sales is a de facto registration scheme. The first step to confiscation.

Do you oppose background checks for private sales?

Yes, for several reasons.
One is that they then let the government know what you have.
It also costs money.
The government won't let just anyone do a background checks, so you have to go through and pay an FFL.
Background check are pointless since any criminal will just get their weapons illegally.
Federal background check laws are specifically illegal according to the constitution.

The idea of turning the whole country into a supervised institution is insane.
What a normal society does instead is put only dangerous people into supervised institutions.

So you don't care if you sell a gun to a guy who uses it to murder someone or is felon or if you buy a possibly stolen gun that some criminal is selling you?

I think the $25 bucks an FFL charges is worth it for my own peace of mind

No one intent on murder is ever going to be effected by a gun law, so there is no reason not to sell to them.
Felons can not legally be prevented from the right of self defense.
Creating a 2nd tier of reduced rights for felons is illegal.
Stolen guns get sold to felons who are wiling to pay more for them, so there is risk of buying a stolen one.

I disagree as regards felons. Felons have proven that they have no regard for the Rights of others so I have no problem limiting theirs.

you arent the god that gives and takes our rights,, but thanks for your opinion,,

If you commit a felony you have given up your rights by being irresponsible

sorry but youre not the god that gives and takes rights away,,

you leftist are always the same,, you attack anyone that doesnt toe the line,,,

What you don't realize is that I cannot violate any of your rights.

I don't have to sell you a gun if I don't want to. I don't have to allow you the right to say whatever you want in my home or business. etc

The Bill of Rights only protects you from the government violating your rights.

youre opinion can start the process and support it,,,

I had nothing to do with federal gun laws that are on the books.

I just happen to agree that people who choose to commit felonies shouldn't own guns because they have already proven they are incapable of handling the responsibility.

how would you know if someone has committed a felony???

did you commit any??
if I can prove you did will you turn over you guns??

I would check. If a person has been convicted of a felony it is public record.

And I have never been charged or convicted of a felony.

we arent talking about what youve been convicted of,, we are talking about what youve done,,

how many felonies do you think you commit each yr??

All that matters is what a person has been convicted of.

Because that's the only thing we can get reliable data for.

theres good data that everyone commits several felonies a yr,, so by your leftist standard no one should be allowed to own a gun,,,

I see your goal and reject its intent,,

No there really isn't. If there was you could tell me what felonies I have allegedly committed this year.

And FYI the federal law specifically states convicted felons so your attempt to move the goal posts is noted.

Second Amendment
Second Amendment Annotated


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

sorry I'm not seeing that in the fed law,,,

you leftist are the ones moving the goal post,,

Constitutional amendments themselves are not laws.

And now I'm a leftists. I wish you people would make up your minds.

So tell me if it is unconstitutional for there to be a federal gun law that states convicted felons are not allowed to possess firearms, why aren't you challenging that law and taking it to the Supreme Court?

as usual when a leftist cant defend their POV they start with the personal attacks,,,

its not about me,,

dont get mad at me, youre the one defending unconstitutional laws that take away a persons rights,,,

and who are "you people"??? americans?? cause thats what I am,,

What personal attack?

And you people on this message board who can't seem to understand that the world isn't just composed of right and left , black or white etc.

So stop whining and answer the question I asked you.

I know its not,, but you are clearly a leftist authoritarian that couldnt care less about human rights,,,

how do you know I am not part of the fight to take down unconstitutional gun laws?? FYI,,, I am,,,

If you insist on 2 dimensional thinking then ponder this.

I support Constitutional Carry laws. I do no think that any additional permits need be required for concealed carry. I just don't think convicted felons should be able to own firearms. And if you are correct then surely there would be Supreme Court cases that show prohibiting convicted felons from owning firearms is unconstitutional.

If that law is struck down as unconstitutional then I will abide by it because unlike convicted felons i obey the law. But that still in no way stops me from selling a gun to a person that has been convicted of a felony.

so a man that gets attacked on a public street after he takes his family to dinner and defends himself and family and causes the death of the attacker should loose his right to protect that family after being released from prison??

Since when is self defense a felony?

since there are many people in jail right now for that,,,

and dont ask for a link because you know its true that people that defend themselves are being convicted for doing it,, just look at the mcclosckys in st louis right now,,,

If they are in jail for it then it wasn't considered self defense by the courts.

 

[progressive hunter]

Constitutional amendments themselves are not laws.

are you saying we dont have to give due proccess and a trial and go straight to execution??

or that slavery is still legal??

I could go on but I hope that shows the mistake youre making with this comment,,

But you forget that slavery is still legal if you happen to be incarcerated.

Like I said there is no black and white in the real world.

So tell me if the federal law that prohibits convicted felons from owning firearms is unconstitutional why hasn't it been brought up through the courts and heard by SCOTUS:?

thats not slavery,, thats being punished for a crime,,,

Ok, but once released from prison, where you paid for your crime, why still punish them?

Actions have consequences.

Why still punish them after paying for your crime? If they are too evil to own guns don't let them out.

Like I said if the law that bars felons from owning guns is found unconstitutional so be it. I would still not sell a gun to a felon in a private sale. Just like I wouldn't hire an accountant convicted of embezzlement to do my books or a convicted child rapist to run a day care.

I suppose you think all those things are OK.

2 and 3 are not protocted rights,, #1 is and if theyve paid their debt they should get their rights back,,

 

[progressive hunter]

Constitutional amendments themselves are not laws.

are you saying we dont have to give due proccess and a trial and go straight to execution??

or that slavery is still legal??

I could go on but I hope that shows the mistake youre making with this comment,,

But you forget that slavery is still legal if you happen to be incarcerated.

Like I said there is no black and white in the real world.

So tell me if the federal law that prohibits convicted felons from owning firearms is unconstitutional why hasn't it been brought up through the courts and heard by SCOTUS:?

thats not slavery,, thats being punished for a crime,,,

Ok, but once released from prison, where you paid for your crime, why still punish them?

Actions have consequences.

thats what prison is for,, but after the debt has been paid you want to continue punishing them,,

So let me know when you hire a convicted child rapist to watch your kids.

thats not a protected right,,

 

[progressive hunter]

I'm curious how many people buy or sell guns from or to a person they don't know.

I have never bought or sold a gun in a private sale. I don't want to buy a gun from someone only to find out it's a piece of junk and I don't want to buy any guns that may have been used in a crime so I only buy from licensed dealers.

I don't want to sell a gun to a person I don't know who may not be responsible or may commit crimes with a gun.

I asked a licenced FFL I hadn't purchaced from before what kind of warranty he offered ... He said "A Taillight Warranty"...as in, when your taillights disappear from view, so does the warranty.

I buy from private individuals, FFLs and online gun stores.

Never had an issue.

Selling is a different story...

I will only sell to unknown individual with a Missouri CCW. Otherwise I'll just sell or trade with folks I know or my local FFL.

I oppose banning private sales.

A ban of private sales is a de facto registration scheme. The first step to confiscation.

Do you oppose background checks for private sales?

Yes, for several reasons.
One is that they then let the government know what you have.
It also costs money.
The government won't let just anyone do a background checks, so you have to go through and pay an FFL.
Background check are pointless since any criminal will just get their weapons illegally.
Federal background check laws are specifically illegal according to the constitution.

The idea of turning the whole country into a supervised institution is insane.
What a normal society does instead is put only dangerous people into supervised institutions.

So you don't care if you sell a gun to a guy who uses it to murder someone or is felon or if you buy a possibly stolen gun that some criminal is selling you?

I think the $25 bucks an FFL charges is worth it for my own peace of mind

No one intent on murder is ever going to be effected by a gun law, so there is no reason not to sell to them.
Felons can not legally be prevented from the right of self defense.
Creating a 2nd tier of reduced rights for felons is illegal.
Stolen guns get sold to felons who are wiling to pay more for them, so there is risk of buying a stolen one.

I disagree as regards felons. Felons have proven that they have no regard for the Rights of others so I have no problem limiting theirs.

you arent the god that gives and takes our rights,, but thanks for your opinion,,

If you commit a felony you have given up your rights by being irresponsible

sorry but youre not the god that gives and takes rights away,,

you leftist are always the same,, you attack anyone that doesnt toe the line,,,

What you don't realize is that I cannot violate any of your rights.

I don't have to sell you a gun if I don't want to. I don't have to allow you the right to say whatever you want in my home or business. etc

The Bill of Rights only protects you from the government violating your rights.

youre opinion can start the process and support it,,,

I had nothing to do with federal gun laws that are on the books.

I just happen to agree that people who choose to commit felonies shouldn't own guns because they have already proven they are incapable of handling the responsibility.

how would you know if someone has committed a felony???

did you commit any??
if I can prove you did will you turn over you guns??

I would check. If a person has been convicted of a felony it is public record.

And I have never been charged or convicted of a felony.

we arent talking about what youve been convicted of,, we are talking about what youve done,,

how many felonies do you think you commit each yr??

All that matters is what a person has been convicted of.

Because that's the only thing we can get reliable data for.

theres good data that everyone commits several felonies a yr,, so by your leftist standard no one should be allowed to own a gun,,,

I see your goal and reject its intent,,

No there really isn't. If there was you could tell me what felonies I have allegedly committed this year.

And FYI the federal law specifically states convicted felons so your attempt to move the goal posts is noted.

Second Amendment
Second Amendment Annotated


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

sorry I'm not seeing that in the fed law,,,

you leftist are the ones moving the goal post,,

Constitutional amendments themselves are not laws.

And now I'm a leftists. I wish you people would make up your minds.

So tell me if it is unconstitutional for there to be a federal gun law that states convicted felons are not allowed to possess firearms, why aren't you challenging that law and taking it to the Supreme Court?

as usual when a leftist cant defend their POV they start with the personal attacks,,,

its not about me,,

dont get mad at me, youre the one defending unconstitutional laws that take away a persons rights,,,

and who are "you people"??? americans?? cause thats what I am,,

What personal attack?

And you people on this message board who can't seem to understand that the world isn't just composed of right and left , black or white etc.

So stop whining and answer the question I asked you.

I know its not,, but you are clearly a leftist authoritarian that couldnt care less about human rights,,,

how do you know I am not part of the fight to take down unconstitutional gun laws?? FYI,,, I am,,,

If you insist on 2 dimensional thinking then ponder this.

I support Constitutional Carry laws. I do no think that any additional permits need be required for concealed carry. I just don't think convicted felons should be able to own firearms. And if you are correct then surely there would be Supreme Court cases that show prohibiting convicted felons from owning firearms is unconstitutional.

If that law is struck down as unconstitutional then I will abide by it because unlike convicted felons i obey the law. But that still in no way stops me from selling a gun to a person that has been convicted of a felony.

so a man that gets attacked on a public street after he takes his family to dinner and defends himself and family and causes the death of the attacker should loose his right to protect that family after being released from prison??

Since when is self defense a felony?

since there are many people in jail right now for that,,,

and dont ask for a link because you know its true that people that defend themselves are being convicted for doing it,, just look at the mcclosckys in st louis right now,,,

If they are in jail for it then it wasn't considered self defense by the courts.

so youre siding with the leftist courts now,, go figure,,