Pregnant librarian shot dead. Self Defense?

[Opie]

Yes Self Defense. Stand Your Ground? Given the fact he was on her property but here is the thing now the fact did he chase her cussing at her whatever thats not on trial did he go to her house with malice intent to kill her. Like the Rittenhouse Prosecutor said "He is not the only one to have the right to defend himself" Just like this lady was not the only person that can defend herself. Why? He is not committing a crime, he IS on her property but this is Florida in my state you per say cannot chase a home invader out and shoot him dead in your driveway because the threat is retreating. This woman came out to NOT a threat on her property and then MADE ONE and this man that posed NO THREAT to be shot acted FASTER and disabled the threat. Self Defense

 

[Otis Mayfield]

Yes Self Defense. Stand Your Ground? Given the fact he was on her property but here is the thing now the fact did he chase her cussing at her whatever thats not on trial did he go to her house with malice intent to kill her. Like the Rittenhouse Prosecutor said "He is not the only one to have the right to defend himself" Just like this lady was not the only person that can defend herself. Why? He is not committing a crime, he IS on her property but this is Florida in my state you per say cannot chase a home invader out and shoot him dead in your driveway because the threat is retreating. This woman came out to NOT a threat on her property and then MADE ONE and this man that posed NO THREAT to be shot acted FASTER and disabled the threat. Self Defense

What if when she came of the house with a gun, the biker put his hands up in the air and said, "okay, we're leaving. Just stay calm."

He had already called the cops.

 

[Opie]

What if when she came of the house with a gun, the biker put his hands up in the air and said, "okay, we're leaving. Just stay calm."

He had already called the cops.

I agree I see your point but does he know she will let him even get the first two words out. Also I thought this maybe she thought she was being chased by the bikers and came out to confront them but if that was the case she should of stayed in the house. This is a hard one

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Yes Self Defense. Stand Your Ground? Given the fact he was on her property but here is the thing now the fact did he chase her cussing at her whatever thats not on trial did he go to her house with malice intent to kill her. Like the Rittenhouse Prosecutor said "He is not the only one to have the right to defend himself" Just like this lady was not the only person that can defend herself. Why? He is not committing a crime, he IS on her property but this is Florida in my state you per say cannot chase a home invader out and shoot him dead in your driveway because the threat is retreating. This woman came out to NOT a threat on her property and then MADE ONE and this man that posed NO THREAT to be shot acted FASTER and disabled the threat. Self Defense

He NEVER set foot on her property he stayed on the street.

 

[Donald H]

That's a difference between me, in America, and you, in Canaduh.

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[M14 Shooter]

My government isn't your government Bob and so that's why you got that wrong opinion. But there's no doubt your corrupt government has failed the people.

This week's message for you: Go quack yourself pissant.

 

[Faun]

They were trespassing.

Only the McCloskey's were convicted of crimes.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

That article gives a bit more info.

Not really.
It's whats been said from the git go.
She hit the dude intentionally, went home,came out with a gun and pointed it at the guy she hit and got perforated for her stupidity.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

A case of road rage in Central Florida left one of the motorists, a mother-to-be, dead last Saturday evening.

According to the Orange City Police Department, the incident began around 5 p.m. Nov. 20 when Sara Nicole Morales, 35, hit Andrew Derr’s motorcycle with her blue Kia. It is unclear why she hit his bike.

Though Derr was not injured or ejected in the “minor accident,” he said he followed Morales to get her information for law enforcement after she drove away from the scene, according to investigators.

Derr, along with two witnesses, verbally attempted to have Morales stop at the intersection while she was making a left turn, but she refused, says a social media release.

Morales drove to her home and went inside. Derr and the witnesses followed her. They stopped in the roadway in front of her home and called 911, say investigators. Morales re-emerged a short time later with a firearm and pointed it at them, continues the post.

Derr, who has a valid Florida concealed weapons permit, drew his concealed handgun and fired, striking Morales “multiple times.”

The motorcyclist remained on scene, where Orange City Fire Rescue responded to provide medical care. Morales was transported to a local hospital where she died from her injuries.

The woman, a Volusia County librarian, was reportedly four to five months pregnant and leaves behind an 11-year-old daughter and a fiancé.

As of Wednesday, no one had been charged in this case, though police say an investigation is ongoing.

In newly released bodycam video, Derr can be seen on the ground.

“That girl tried to kill me,” he says. “She pointed a gun at me. I’m so sorry.”

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article256086977.html#storylink=cpy

Pregnant woman hits motorcycle guy in a minor accident with her Kia. The bike didn't even fall over.

Woman flees scene of the accident. Guy on bike follows her.

Woman goes into house, comes out with a gun.

Man shoots her dead.

Self defense?

Hit and run and self defense.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

I would've got her plate and car and her with my phone camera.

I wouldn't have shot her. I would've put my hands up. Odds are a librarian isn't going to pull the trigger.

And you mighta got gunned down in the road, too. Not a chance I would take.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Too damn many guns.

Too many dumb fucks. Well, one less, now.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Given how he subsequently behaved, I suspect he and his buddies were probably pretty aggressive after she hit him. As a woman, I can see how frightening it be to be followed home like, in fact I’d be freaked out. I had something kind of similar happen. I was driving in Pittsburgh, was lost, accidentally cut a guy off (no one got hit, no accident). He followed me, tried to cut me off several times, I kept driving until I found a place that other people around and pulled into the parking lot. He came up next to me yelling and swearing at me. I apologized and explained I was lost but he just kept on. I left and he followed me. It was absolutely freaky.

She could have stayed in the house and called the cops. Her life wasn't in danger.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Sadly, I agree. The men had called 911 to report a hit and run and they weren't on her property.

Why sadly?

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

He

It isnt self-defence in any way. He and his mates followed her home. She must have been terrified.
He had plenty of options and just wanted to use his gun.

He should go to jail .

R life wasn't in danger. Just like you can't shoot a burglar who's running away, after he exits your home.

 

[USAF 2023]

A case of road rage in Central Florida left one of the motorists, a mother-to-be, dead last Saturday evening.

According to the Orange City Police Department, the incident began around 5 p.m. Nov. 20 when Sara Nicole Morales, 35, hit Andrew Derr’s motorcycle with her blue Kia. It is unclear why she hit his bike.

Though Derr was not injured or ejected in the “minor accident,” he said he followed Morales to get her information for law enforcement after she drove away from the scene, according to investigators.

Derr, along with two witnesses, verbally attempted to have Morales stop at the intersection while she was making a left turn, but she refused, says a social media release.

Morales drove to her home and went inside. Derr and the witnesses followed her. They stopped in the roadway in front of her home and called 911, say investigators. Morales re-emerged a short time later with a firearm and pointed it at them, continues the post.

Derr, who has a valid Florida concealed weapons permit, drew his concealed handgun and fired, striking Morales “multiple times.”

The motorcyclist remained on scene, where Orange City Fire Rescue responded to provide medical care. Morales was transported to a local hospital where she died from her injuries.

The woman, a Volusia County librarian, was reportedly four to five months pregnant and leaves behind an 11-year-old daughter and a fiancé.

As of Wednesday, no one had been charged in this case, though police say an investigation is ongoing.

In newly released bodycam video, Derr can be seen on the ground.

“That girl tried to kill me,” he says. “She pointed a gun at me. I’m so sorry.”

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article256086977.html#storylink=cpy

Pregnant woman hits motorcycle guy in a minor accident with her Kia. The bike didn't even fall over.

Woman flees scene of the accident. Guy on bike follows her.

Woman goes into house, comes out with a gun.

Man shoots her dead.

Self defense?

YES!!!! She could have avoided the entire thing!!

 

[USAF 2023]

He

R life wasn't in danger. Just like you can't shoot a burglar who's running away, after he exits your hometown

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[surada]

Yes Self Defense. Stand Your Ground? Given the fact he was on her property but here is the thing now the fact did he chase her cussing at her whatever thats not on trial did he go to her house with malice intent to kill her. Like the Rittenhouse Prosecutor said "He is not the only one to have the right to defend himself" Just like this lady was not the only person that can defend herself. Why? He is not committing a crime, he IS on her property but this is Florida in my state you per say cannot chase a home invader out and shoot him dead in your driveway because the threat is retreating. This woman came out to NOT a threat on her property and then MADE ONE and this man that posed NO THREAT to be shot acted FASTER and disabled the threat. Self Defense

He wasn't on her property ..

Why sadly?

Wasted life, stupidity, a child growing up without her mother.

 

[USAF 2023]

Another stupid remark from the Englishman. LEGALLY she was bound to stop to exchange information. Instead she fled the scene. They had every right to follow her to find out where she lived and exchange info.
Why didn’t she do it? Instead she came out with a gun?
She put her own life in danger and she lost

 

[ClaireH]

You all are some stone-cold killers.

Why not just let her go?

When a gun is pointed at someone who could also be armed (like this case) how many seconds do you think you should wait until you shoot? This whole incident could’ve been avoided. Total guess here but I would imagine, because she pointed without shooting, that her intent was to scare them off and make them leave. The motorcycle guy should have immediately called 911 and gave them the plate number when she hit his motorcycle intentionally instead of following her.

Thorough gun training stresses that if you take your weapon out and point it at someone there should be no other reason to be doing so unless you have an intention to kill. He should not have followed her home and she should not have gone into the house and got the gun. I imagine her pregnancy hormones were in play for that stupid decision.

 

[USAF 2023]

When a gun is pointed at someone who could also be armed (like this case) how many seconds do you think you should wait until you shoot? This whole incident could’ve been avoided. Total guess here but I would imagine, because she pointed without shooting, that her intent was to scare them off and make them leave. The motorcycle guy should have immediately called 911 and gave them the plate number when she hit his motorcycle intentionally instead of following her.

Thorough gun training stresses that if you take your weapon out and point it at someone there should be no other reason to be doing so unless you have an intention to kill. He should not have followed her home and she should not have gone into the house and got the gun. I imagine her pregnancy hormones were in play for that stupid decision.

In hindsight that would have been better but it would have been better if she didn’t take off! She didn’t deserve it but she initiated it