Prediction: Obama will not run in Arizona over birth certificate

[gekaap]

When did obama show a birth certificate? The two that has been shown have not proven anything. Since obama has not identified who his doctor was and conflicting reports on the location of birth hospital, there is room to doubt.

Listen to yourself and this stupidity! He's already shown it, but it proves nothing? The proof is smacking you in the face and you just aren't willing to accept any conclusion other than the one you want.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I'm just saying it has happen before, and there is your legal precedence that Arizona has grounds to do this.

It would only be a "legal precident" if State law barred Lincoln from appearing on the ballots or if the Republican Party in those states choose to not place him on the ballot. One is an action of the State government, the other is the action of a private organization.

Do you have any evidence that Lincoln was barred by State law even though he met the Constitutional requirements for the Office of President?


Just because he wasn't on the ballot, does not prove he was barred from being on the ballot.



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Exactly which candidate is going to voluntary stay off a national ballot without the states forcing the issue?

Who are the people who place political candidates for a national election on a ballot?

States hold elections, not the federal government. The position is federal, the elections are conducted by the State.

Let's see, the Republican nonimnee would be

Let's the nomination for the Republican party, would have been by the Republican selection process in that State.



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[WorldWatcher]

It is the individual states who, referring to constitutional law, decide whether a prospective candidate meets the minimum qualifications to be placed on the state's presidential ballot. Next year, the only thing New Hampshire, Arizonam, Texas, and 7 other states are going to ask Obama is "Kenya show us a certified birth certificate." When the answer is no, ba bye second term.

What if there is no candidate named "Kenya"?



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[gekaap]

This is all besides the point anyway. Was his mother not a citizen? That makes him a citizen at birth.

He may be a citizen but he's still not qualified to run for President if he was born in Kenya. Under the law, you must be a natural born citizen to qualify to be president. To be born outside the country and still be considered natural born, your mother must have been at least 23 years old at the time of birth, and Obama's mother was only 18 when he was born.

That's not true. US Code, title 8, sec. 1401(g):

a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years....


The minimum age to satisfy this requirement would have been for his mother to be only 16 years old.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

SHHhhhhhh....

Birthers know more than the State of Hawaii

OH yell the democratic controlled state of Hawaii. What we do know is that democrats lie.

Like I have mentioned in the past I have a grand son that was born in Hawaii his birth certificate doe not look anything like the two that is supposed to be obamas birth certificate.

The REPUBLICAN Governor of Hawaii certified his birth in that state.

Post your grandsons birth certificate so that we know you are not lying

Not on your life. But I will tell you that he was born at
Tripler Army Medical Center

see how that works you don't care to see obamas birth certificate but you want to see my grandsons.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

When did obama show a birth certificate? The two that has been shown have not proven anything. Since obama has not identified who his doctor was and conflicting reports on the location of birth hospital, there is room to doubt.

Listen to yourself and this stupidity! He's already shown it, but it proves nothing? The proof is smacking you in the face and you just aren't willing to accept any conclusion other than the one you want.

No he has not shown his long form to anyone.

 

[rightwinger]

OH yell the democratic controlled state of Hawaii. What we do know is that democrats lie.
Like I have mentioned in the past I have a grand son that was born in Hawaii his birth certificate doe not look anything like the two that is supposed to be obamas birth certificate.

The REPUBLICAN Governor of Hawaii certified his birth in that state.
Post your grandsons birth certificate so that we know you are not lying

Not on your life. But I will tell you that he was born at
Tripler Army Medical Center
see how that works you don't care to see obamas birth certificate but you want to see my grandsons.

Total bullshit....

Why should anyone believe you have a grandson born in Hawaii?

How do I know he was not born in Kenya?

 

[gekaap]

No he has not shown his long form to anyone.

And what makes you think a long form birth certificate even exists accessibly? Mine doesn't exist period, as far as I know. But I don't need one. My younger brother has his originally issued BC, and even that is a short form. In any event, you're demanding completely irrelevant and unnecessary evidence.

You want to see Obama's birth certificate, I'll show it to you.

 

[WorldWatcher]

That's not true. US Code, title 8, sec. 1401(g):

a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years....


The minimum age to satisfy this requirement would have been for his mother to be only 16 years old.

gekaap,

That's not quite correct. The law you site is the current status under 8 USC 1401. However that is not the law as it was in 1961, the law at that time was based on the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952. The corresponding section that was applicable at the time reads (INA of 1952, Section 301, Page 236):

"(7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.... "​

Using the law of the time, a married woman would have had to be at a minimum 19.


I say "married" for a reason.

The law at the time contained another interesting provision a few pages later in Section 309, which push-come-to-shove would have to be evaluated in a court. That section says that if a child is born to a woman out of wedlock, then the child acquires the nationality status of the mother. If the mother was a national (i.e. Legal Resident Alien) and not a citizen then the child is automatically a National. If the mother is a citizen, then the child has that same status and is therefore a citizen at birth.

Why might this be interesting, because Barack Obama Sr. had married Kezia Aoko prior to his departure for the United States. If he was marred prior to coming to the US, then his marriage to Stanley Dunham could be held void, in which case no matter where in the world Obama Jr. had been born he would have received citizenship status from his mother no matter what age she was.


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[gekaap]

I guess I misunderstood the amendment history listed on my source. In any event, the actual scenario under which Obama's birth falls into is being born to two parents, one of whom is a citizen and the other who is a national but not a citizen. The older law stipulates that the child will be granted citizenship if the citizen parent has been present in the US for only 1 year prior to the birth of the child, with no age requirement. Obama Sr. was a legal resident when Obama was born, so even if Obama's mother had taken a trip to Kenya just before Obama was born, and returned afterward, he still would be a natural born citizen.

 

[JakeStarkey]

OK, birthers, listen up.

There will be no state that will bar Obama from running.

End of story.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I guess I misunderstood the amendment history listed on my source. In any event, the actual scenario under which Obama's birth falls into is being born to two parents, one of whom is a citizen and the other who is a national but not a citizen. The older law stipulates that the child will be granted citizenship if the citizen parent has been present in the US for only 1 year prior to the birth of the child, with no age requirement. Obama Sr. was a legal resident when Obama was born, so even if Obama's mother had taken a trip to Kenya just before Obama was born, and returned afterward, he still would be a natural born citizen.

I probably used the term Legal Resident Alien incorrectly, under the same law "National" ("(21) The term ''national'' means a person owing permanent allegiance to a state.") Obama Sr., being here as a student probably retained his citizenship in Kenya (since he returned there to enter government service) and as such would not have qualified as a United States National. He would have been a citizen of Kenya, on a Kenyan/British Passport on a student visa.


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[bigrebnc1775]

No he has not shown his long form to anyone.

And what makes you think a long form birth certificate even exists accessibly? Mine doesn't exist period, as far as I know. But I don't need one. My younger brother has his originally issued BC, and even that is a short form. In any event, you're demanding completely irrelevant and unnecessary evidence.

You want to see Obama's birth certificate, I'll show it to you.
NO SEAL

Differant color of paper

Fold in paper not shown in the first picture

Differant color of paper.

You used two or three differant copies. the one that showed the few certificate did not have a fold and did not have a state seal the

 

[bigrebnc1775]

OK, birthers, listen up.

There will be no state that will bar Obama from running.

End of story.

It's happen before.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

That's not true. US Code, title 8, sec. 1401(g):

a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years....


The minimum age to satisfy this requirement would have been for his mother to be only 16 years old.

gekaap,

That's not quite correct. The law you site is the current status under 8 USC 1401. However that is not the law as it was in 1961, the law at that time was based on the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952. The corresponding section that was applicable at the time reads (INA of 1952, Section 301, Page 236):

"(7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.... "​

Using the law of the time, a married woman would have had to be at a minimum 19.


I say "married" for a reason.

The law at the time contained another interesting provision a few pages later in Section 309, which push-come-to-shove would have to be evaluated in a court. That section says that if a child is born to a woman out of wedlock, then the child acquires the nationality status of the mother. If the mother was a national (i.e. Legal Resident Alien) and not a citizen then the child is automatically a National. If the mother is a citizen, then the child has that same status and is therefore a citizen at birth.

Why might this be interesting, because Barack Obama Sr. had married Kezia Aoko prior to his departure for the United States. If he was marred prior to coming to the US, then his marriage to Stanley Dunham could be held void, in which case no matter where in the world Obama Jr. had been born he would have received citizenship status from his mother no matter what age she was.


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The law at the time contained another interesting provision a few pages later in Section 309, which push-come-to-shove would have to be evaluated in a court. That section says that if a child is born to a woman out of wedlock, then the child acquires the nationality status of the mother. If the mother was a national (i.e. Legal Resident Alien) and not a citizen then the child is automatically a National. If the mother is a citizen, then the child has that same status and is therefore a citizen at birth.

obama's mother and fathers marriage has never been in question. Why the change now is there something that might show obama wasn't born in Hawaii?

 

[geauxtohell]

The sitting Governor of Hawaii is publicly stating, today in the mainstream media, that there is no Obama birth certificate. He used all his powers to find it and its not there.

He said no such thing. World Net Daily lied to you.

The former Hawaii supervisor of elections Tim Adams says there is no birth certificate.

LMAO. Tim Adams was a part time election clerk. He had no authority to view Obama's birth certificate. He immediately was called out by his former employers for being a minion that was talking out of his ass.

Desperation: WND touts birther claim made on "pro-white" program at "white supremacist" conference | Media Matters for America

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The sitting Governor of Hawaii is publicly stating, today in the mainstream media, that there is no Obama birth certificate. He used all his powers to find it and its not there.

He said no such thing. World Net Daily lied to you.

The former Hawaii supervisor of elections Tim Adams says there is no birth certificate.

LMAO. Tim Adams was a part time election clerk. He had no authority to view Obama's birth certificate. He immediately was called out by his former employers for being a minion that was talking out of his ass.

Desperation: WND touts birther claim made on "pro-white" program at "white supremacist" conference | Media Matters for America

Media matters? Might as well ask truthmatters.

 

[geauxtohell]

The sitting Governor of Hawaii is publicly stating, today in the mainstream media, that there is no Obama birth certificate. He used all his powers to find it and its not there.

He said no such thing. World Net Daily lied to you.

The former Hawaii supervisor of elections Tim Adams says there is no birth certificate.

LMAO. Tim Adams was a part time election clerk. He had no authority to view Obama's birth certificate. He immediately was called out by his former employers for being a minion that was talking out of his ass.

Desperation: WND touts birther claim made on "pro-white" program at "white supremacist" conference | Media Matters for America

Media matters? Might as well ask truthmatters.

I usually don't link to MM, but Tim Adams is so obscure that there isn't a lot of stuff on him from more established sources.

At any rate, feel free to call out MM for any of the facts they posted.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

He said no such thing. World Net Daily lied to you.



LMAO. Tim Adams was a part time election clerk. He had no authority to view Obama's birth certificate. He immediately was called out by his former employers for being a minion that was talking out of his ass.

Desperation: WND touts birther claim made on "pro-white" program at "white supremacist" conference | Media Matters for America

Media matters? Might as well ask truthmatters.

I usually don't link to MM, but Tim Adams is so obscure that there isn't a lot of stuff on him from more established sources.

At any rate, feel free to call out MM for any of the facts they posted.

ok not a problem but if media matters is all you have thats all you have.

 

[geauxtohell]

Media matters? Might as well ask truthmatters.

I usually don't link to MM, but Tim Adams is so obscure that there isn't a lot of stuff on him from more established sources.

At any rate, feel free to call out MM for any of the facts they posted.

ok not a problem but if media matters is all you have thats all you have.

I might have been able to find something if I'd been willing to wade through a shit ton of birther sites who claim that Adams is the missing link in their goofy assed theories.

I really am not that patient.

Where is Tim Adams today? He's dropped off the face of the map in regards to the BC issue. That alone basically sums it up.