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Is there an "I'll let you put it anywhere" step? I want to be on that one. 

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manu1959 said:this is sooooooooooooooooooooooo true
http://www.intellectualwhores.com/masterladder.html
Back to the Beginning: Yes Virginia, They All Want to Bang You.
You'll note that a man has one ladder while a female has two. The man is lacking a "friends ladder." The man's ladder reflects the conventional wisdom that a man generally only wants one thing. That's because the conventional wisdom is correct. This leads us back to the conclusion that many women I have explained this to find so distasteful:
IF A MAN FINDS YOU ATTRACTIVE YOU CANNOT BE FRIENDS
Many women want to argue this point and say things like " I have lots of guy friends." Maybe. There are exactly 3 cases Intellectual Whores has identified whereby a guy and a girl can be friends:
The guy is gay
The guy does not find you attractive.
The guy already has a woman much higher than you on the ladder
Even Nietzsche knew this. Most guys know this intuitively. Most girls doubt. I have a challenge for all of you girls who still doubt. Pick a guy who does not meet any of the criterion on the above list that you think is your friend. Then ask yourself this question: If you were both alone at his place one night, and you excused yourself to the bathroom and came out naked and asked him to have sex with you would he:
Tell you he doesn't want to risk the beautiful friendship you have created with messy physical entanglements.
Comply
Remember this only works if you are honest with yourself. Number one is of course something that guys hear all the time. Intellectual Whores refers to it as the Kiss of Death. It is more likely that he will jump you eagerly.
Bonnie said:Agreed, but there are cases in which men have found some women very unappealing, if you remember in the movie Crystal says that even those women he would want to sleep with.
So then if that's the case then every woman no matter how unattractive is fair game?? Or is it just women that men are attracted to are the ones they can't be just friends with??
speederdoc said:The Ladder Theory
If you don't want to read the whole thing, skip to the section "Construction of the Ladder" via the tabs on the left of the page.
I think Darin showed me this btw.
manu1959 said:bonnie,
read through the website .... it covers all of it and is very funny.
i have been in the abyss way to may times
Scenario 1: Tom meets Jane. She's pretty and seems interesting to talk to. Tom and Jane start haging out and talking more and more. Tom develops an attraction to Jane, and one day tries to kiss her. Jane tell Tom she doesn't think of him that way and she wants to remain friends. The next few weeks contact between the two falls off. Jane starts ******* an outlaw biker.
Ladder Theory Explanation: Tom met Jane. Tom was immediately placed on the friends ladder. Tom didn't know this. Tom tried to jump ladders. Jane kicked Tom in the head rather than let him on and sent him hurtling to the Abyss below. The oulaw biker was not on her friends ladder (they never are) but rather on her good ladder.
Scenario 2: Tom meets Jane. She's cute and seems smart. After an appropriate amount of time he asks her out on a date. She acccepts and they have what seems to be a perfectly nice date. Tom thinks he has a chance with Jane. He asks her out again. She says no, either explicitly or by never returning his phone call. Tom has no idea what the Hell just happened. Jane starts ******* an unemployed alcoholic.
Ladder Theory Explanation: Jane misrepresented which ladder Tom was on. He thought he was on the good ladder because of her acceptance of the date. Mistake. This led to an unintentional ladder jump. He was kicked into the Abyss. In this situation, Jane often wants to stay friends becasue you are so interesting and funny or some shit like that. If this happens you are most likely an Intellectual Whore. I'm sorry. This is most likely to be a ninja-*****.
Scenario 3: A girl says any of the following to you:
"You're like a brother to me"
"You're like a big teddy bear"
"I feel like I can talk to you about anything"
"You're so nice"
"Can you help me with my homework"
Ladder Theory Explanation: You are on the friends ladder. So Sorry.
You can see that a lot of problems can be avoided(though sadly not problem two) by declaring as soon as possible to a girl that you will not be friends under any circumstances. You can explain that she is too attractive or you can be blunt and say you don't want to bend your "friends" over a table and **** them, but would rather play poker and go to the races with them, thus disqualifying her from friendship. As long as you are clear. This may scare a girl away. But if it does what would you want with such a skittish little twit anyway?
rtwngAvngr said:Yep. Yeah gotta be touchy feely right away, so they know you demand affection, they either stick around and it's on, or they just are repulsed right away, no time is wasted.

Now I see what your problem may be.rtwngAvngr said:Yep. Yeah gotta be touchy feely right away, so they know you demand affection, they either stick around and it's on, or they just are repulsed right away, no time is wasted.
Shattered said:<i>Demand</i> affection?![]()
Shattered said:Better.![]()
rtwngAvngr said:I know, I know: DESIRE
Shattered said:Now you're on to something. "Need" would even be acceptable. "Demand" is likely to get you clocked, and someone running off in fright.![]()
rtwngAvngr said:Yeah. Just a poor choice of words. And Im not talking grabbing stuff. I'm saying: A light touch on the shoulder or arm. Brushing their hair out of their face, affectionately, etc. Real romeo stuff. :soul:
Bonnie said:Now that's hot
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