Pope Calls For Civil Unions For Same-Sex Couples, In Major Departure From Vatican Doctrine

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Jesus never gave an opinion about gay marriage. So good for the pope.
He did talk about marriage though. And in that discussion - although some will no doubt disagree with my interpretation - he did mention that some were born homosexual.
Can you cite the chapter / verse? (Not the passage about marriage, I know that one, but the second thing you said.)
It started with a smart alecky pharisee trying to test Jesus on the subject of divorce. That led into a conversation of marriage and a conversation of who shouldn't get married.

Matthew 19:1-12

Teaching About Divorce
1 Now when Jesus had finished these sayings, he went away from Galilee and entered the region of Judea beyond the Jordan. 2 And large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.

3 And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one’s wife for any cause?” 4 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” 7 They said to him, “Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?” 8 He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”

10 The disciples said to him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.” 11 But he said to them, “Not everyone can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given. 12 For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.”
Oh my goodness, two in a row who read my post too quickly. Re-read my post, ding. I specifically said I wasn't asking about the passage on marriage, I already know that and I was going to post that… I was asking you about the SECOND thing you said.
Read the underlined portion.

10 The disciples said to him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.” 11 But he said to them, “Not everyone can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given. 12 For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.”
Thanks. Eunuchs are not the same thing as homosexuals. (I'm just replying to that off the top of my head. But I do want to look into that passage more closely, when I have time.)
 

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I think only Catholics should be allowed to marry. Fags, apostates, heathens, and, Protestant heretics should only get civil unions. Leave marriage to the one true faith of the followers of Jesus Christ.
totally misread I thought the Pope endorsed gay marriage. sorry I am basically high constantly lately. Anyway, Yeah I support gay marriage.
 

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Jesus never gave an opinion about gay marriage. So good for the pope.
He did talk about marriage though. And in that discussion - although some will no doubt disagree with my interpretation - he did mention that some were born homosexual.
Can you cite the chapter / verse? (Not the passage about marriage, I know that one, but the second thing you said.)
It started with a smart alecky pharisee trying to test Jesus on the subject of divorce. That led into a conversation of marriage and a conversation of who shouldn't get married.

Matthew 19:1-12

Teaching About Divorce
1 Now when Jesus had finished these sayings, he went away from Galilee and entered the region of Judea beyond the Jordan. 2 And large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.

3 And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one’s wife for any cause?” 4 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” 7 They said to him, “Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?” 8 He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”

10 The disciples said to him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.” 11 But he said to them, “Not everyone can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given. 12 For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.”
Oh my goodness, two in a row who read my post too quickly. Re-read my post, ding. I specifically said I wasn't asking about the passage on marriage, I already know that and I was going to post that… I was asking you about the SECOND thing you said.
Read the underlined portion.

10 The disciples said to him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.” 11 But he said to them, “Not everyone can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given. 12 For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.”
Thanks. Eunuchs are not the same thing as homosexuals. (I'm just replying to that off the top of my head. But I do want to look into that passage more closely, when I have time.)
The phrase had multiple uses. Look at the third group who he said should not marry... the priests. They didn't castrate priests. Priests were not eunuchs. The phrase eunuch is referring to men who don't have sex with women. The first group that he said should not marry are eunuchs that were born that way - eunuchs who have been so from birth - there are no eunuchs from birth. He is referring to men who are obviously effeminate. The second group - eunuchs that were made that way by men - would encompass two groups; men who were castrated (which was a tiny percentage) and men who were not obviously gay but were turned gay through their environment or by men (which is a much larger percentage of the population).
 
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So now even the pope believes that homosexuals should be able to marry. He says in a civil union which means he still doesn't advocate that homosexuals should be able to get married in a church but this endorsement is a step in the right direction.

How many natural kids can both partners bring into the world, when they are both women, or both men? They can make believe they are married but they can rub and rub but never achieve what God intended. This is the fallacy of the progs, to push immorality upon US so we can move away from our traditions.

Gay people have children all the time. Now you know.
That must mean that such are not 100% homosexual. GOD didn't make anyone that way. Sin is the corruptive force that distorts and manipulates truth to suit evil behavior, so that even some pope can be confused. Two men behaving badly together do not spawn children. And two women with their plastic accouterments cannot either. That is not to say that GOD intended everyone to marry, have sexual relations and procreate. However, our society screams "SEX, SEX, SEX!" ---- and if you feel uncomfortable then well ----- one must be peculiar.... This is the way secular ideology manipulates and distorts. And this is just another reason the world is in such a mess.
God made everything in the universe including people who are born gay. Gay people have children through sperm donors and surrogates... Now you know.
So, in fact they "supposed homosexuals" are forced to drag in the opposite sex to fulfill their desire for a child. GOD made everything and the UNIVERSE. GOD created a Cherub - Light Bearer who would choose to become Satan/The Accuser. GOD obviously didn't make Satan what he became. I don't see why anyone imagines they have to do anything (unless one is being prompted to). A person doesn't become hooked on drugs without first being exposed to being high first. There are many people who have never taken drugs nor smoked cigarettes ---- and they are fortunately not so inclined or addicted (just as GOD designed them). I can imagine that once an individual has gone for the first ride, he might feel ashamed; however, the second time then leads to a third. And if someone finds an obliging partner ---- all one can say is, "Well, there is no worry about an unwanted pregnancy, now is there?"
It all seem sordid and self-servicing. And now YOU know...
Read this


Romans 1:23–27

23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, ymen committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Well we all now that Ca
Jesus never gave an opinion about gay marriage. So good for the pope.
He did talk about marriage though. And in that discussion - although some will no doubt disagree with my interpretation - he did mention that some were born homosexual.
Can you cite the chapter / verse? (Not the passage about marriage, I know that one, but the second thing you said.)
Matthew 19:4-6. “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”
No, I haven't. I did not grow up in mainstream religion. We read some things from the bible but not all of it. I was taught that Jesus loves everyone and that God blesses everyone.
JESUS the CHRIST certainly loves everyone, and that is why HE gave up HIS life on the cross as a sacrifice so that whosoever will believe on HIM will be saved. However, not everyone wishes to accept CHRIST as their LORD and SAVIOR. Those who never repent will not be blessed of GOD but will be accursed for an eternity. An eternity of their own selection during their lifetime while here. They've committed the unpardonable sin. That sin is the rejection of the means of their very salvation. The result will be to exist eternally reliving all the moments they rejected GOD's perfect and free gift --- or perhaps they will be far too busy wishing they never existed.
 

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I think only Catholics should be allowed to marry. Fags, apostates, heathens, and, Protestant heretics should only get civil unions. Leave marriage to the one true faith of the followers of Jesus Christ.
totally misread I thought the Pope endorsed gay marriage. sorry I am basically high constantly lately. Anyway, Yeah I support gay marriage.
He supports civil unions.
 

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So now even the pope believes that homosexuals should be able to marry. He says in a civil union which means he still doesn't advocate that homosexuals should be able to get married in a church but this endorsement is a step in the right direction.

How many natural kids can both partners bring into the world, when they are both women, or both men? They can make believe they are married but they can rub and rub but never achieve what God intended. This is the fallacy of the progs, to push immorality upon US so we can move away from our traditions.

Gay people have children all the time. Now you know.
That must mean that such are not 100% homosexual. GOD didn't make anyone that way. Sin is the corruptive force that distorts and manipulates truth to suit evil behavior, so that even some pope can be confused. Two men behaving badly together do not spawn children. And two women with their plastic accouterments cannot either. That is not to say that GOD intended everyone to marry, have sexual relations and procreate. However, our society screams "SEX, SEX, SEX!" ---- and if you feel uncomfortable then well ----- one must be peculiar.... This is the way secular ideology manipulates and distorts. And this is just another reason the world is in such a mess.
God made everything in the universe including people who are born gay. Gay people have children through sperm donors and surrogates... Now you know.
So, in fact they "supposed homosexuals" are forced to drag in the opposite sex to fulfill their desire for a child. GOD made everything and the UNIVERSE. GOD created a Cherub - Light Bearer who would choose to become Satan/The Accuser. GOD obviously didn't make Satan what he became. I don't see why anyone imagines they have to do anything (unless one is being prompted to). A person doesn't become hooked on drugs without first being exposed to being high first. There are many people who have never taken drugs nor smoked cigarettes ---- and they are fortunately not so inclined or addicted (just as GOD designed them). I can imagine that once an individual has gone for the first ride, he might feel ashamed; however, the second time then leads to a third. And if someone finds an obliging partner ---- all one can say is, "Well, there is no worry about an unwanted pregnancy, now is there?"
It all seem sordid and self-servicing. And now YOU know...
It is a shame that all the rubbing and gyrating going on by queers and lesbos that there is a lot of heat, but no conception between the two, so while one donor may have a connection with the child, the other one wont. There will be resentment when the child gravitates towards the real parent....
 

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I think only Catholics should be allowed to marry. Fags, apostates, heathens, and, Protestant heretics should only get civil unions. Leave marriage to the one true faith of the followers of Jesus Christ.
totally misread I thought the Pope endorsed gay marriage. sorry I am basically high constantly lately. Anyway, Yeah I support gay marriage.
He supports civil unions.
I have to read the quotes you posted about what Jesus said tomorrow morning when I am more clear-headed. I will probably need time to research before I can reply. But I do appreciate the info.
 

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So now even the pope believes that homosexuals should be able to marry. He says in a civil union which means he still doesn't advocate that homosexuals should be able to get married in a church but this endorsement is a step in the right direction.

How many natural kids can both partners bring into the world, when they are both women, or both men? They can make believe they are married but they can rub and rub but never achieve what God intended. This is the fallacy of the progs, to push immorality upon US so we can move away from our traditions.

Gay people have children all the time. Now you know.
That must mean that such are not 100% homosexual. GOD didn't make anyone that way. Sin is the corruptive force that distorts and manipulates truth to suit evil behavior, so that even some pope can be confused. Two men behaving badly together do not spawn children. And two women with their plastic accouterments cannot either. That is not to say that GOD intended everyone to marry, have sexual relations and procreate. However, our society screams "SEX, SEX, SEX!" ---- and if you feel uncomfortable then well ----- one must be peculiar.... This is the way secular ideology manipulates and distorts. And this is just another reason the world is in such a mess.
God made everything in the universe including people who are born gay. Gay people have children through sperm donors and surrogates... Now you know.
So, in fact they "supposed homosexuals" are forced to drag in the opposite sex to fulfill their desire for a child. GOD made everything and the UNIVERSE. GOD created a Cherub - Light Bearer who would choose to become Satan/The Accuser. GOD obviously didn't make Satan what he became. I don't see why anyone imagines they have to do anything (unless one is being prompted to). A person doesn't become hooked on drugs without first being exposed to being high first. There are many people who have never taken drugs nor smoked cigarettes ---- and they are fortunately not so inclined or addicted (just as GOD designed them). I can imagine that once an individual has gone for the first ride, he might feel ashamed; however, the second time then leads to a third. And if someone finds an obliging partner ---- all one can say is, "Well, there is no worry about an unwanted pregnancy, now is there?"
It all seem sordid and self-servicing. And now YOU know...
It is a shame that all the rubbing and gyrating going on by queers and lesbos that there is a lot of heat, but no conception between the two, so while one donor may have a connection with the child, the other one wont. There will be resentment when the child gravitates towards the real parent....
Are you suggesting that infertile couples who adopt will naturally, be resented? how would it be any different? And I don't think a child that is being cared for properly would resent the caretaker who is loving and provides a safe environment. Whether parents are gay or adoptive heterosexual.
 

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So now even the pope believes that homosexuals should be able to marry. He says in a civil union which means he still doesn't advocate that homosexuals should be able to get married in a church but this endorsement is a step in the right direction.
The state should not recognize the marriage ceremonies of any religion as legal and binding. If we truly want to separate religion from government then churches will not be granted authority in any civil matters.

If you want a church wedding go for it but for any marriage to be legal there needs to be a civil service
Ah yes, and the next step would be to force all parents to send their children to GOVERNMENT PUBLIC SCHOOLS --- to receive select propaganda of a humanistic state enforced education. Maybe, they (the students) would all join the Democratic Socialist Party, if only properly trained by the STATE.
None of that has anything to do with a legal contract like marriage.

And you do realize that parochial scools follow the same rules as public schools don't you all but for the religious stuff that is.

Why should a clergy person be "vested" with any legal power by the state?
 

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So now even the pope believes that homosexuals should be able to marry. He says in a civil union which means he still doesn't advocate that homosexuals should be able to get married in a church but this endorsement is a step in the right direction.
The state should not recognize the marriage ceremonies of any religion as legal and binding. If we truly want to separate religion from government then churches will not be granted authority in any civil matters.

If you want a church wedding go for it but for any marriage to be legal there needs to be a civil service
Ah yes, and the next step would be to force all parents to send their children to GOVERNMENT PUBLIC SCHOOLS --- to receive select propaganda of a humanistic state enforced education. Maybe, they (the students) would all join the Democratic Socialist Party, if only properly trained by the STATE.
None of that has anything to do with a legal contract like marriage.

And you do realize that parochial scools follow the same rules as public schools don't you all but for the religious stuff that is.

Why should a clergy person be "vested" with any legal power by the state?
The is still an environment were GOD openly is influential to the learning process and not shunned as in public education. There is still room for Noah's Flood in science to be debated and Intelligent Design to be regarded. And Social Studies is not only secular issues nor perspective. The educator's hands are not tied in bureaucratic tape for the most part.
 

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So now even the pope believes that homosexuals should be able to marry. He says in a civil union which means he still doesn't advocate that homosexuals should be able to get married in a church but this endorsement is a step in the right direction.

How many natural kids can both partners bring into the world, when they are both women, or both men? They can make believe they are married but they can rub and rub but never achieve what God intended. This is the fallacy of the progs, to push immorality upon US so we can move away from our traditions.

Gay people have children all the time. Now you know.
That must mean that such are not 100% homosexual. GOD didn't make anyone that way. Sin is the corruptive force that distorts and manipulates truth to suit evil behavior, so that even some pope can be confused. Two men behaving badly together do not spawn children. And two women with their plastic accouterments cannot either. That is not to say that GOD intended everyone to marry, have sexual relations and procreate. However, our society screams "SEX, SEX, SEX!" ---- and if you feel uncomfortable then well ----- one must be peculiar.... This is the way secular ideology manipulates and distorts. And this is just another reason the world is in such a mess.
God made everything in the universe including people who are born gay. Gay people have children through sperm donors and surrogates... Now you know.
So, in fact they "supposed homosexuals" are forced to drag in the opposite sex to fulfill their desire for a child. GOD made everything and the UNIVERSE. GOD created a Cherub - Light Bearer who would choose to become Satan/The Accuser. GOD obviously didn't make Satan what he became. I don't see why anyone imagines they have to do anything (unless one is being prompted to). A person doesn't become hooked on drugs without first being exposed to being high first. There are many people who have never taken drugs nor smoked cigarettes ---- and they are fortunately not so inclined or addicted (just as GOD designed them). I can imagine that once an individual has gone for the first ride, he might feel ashamed; however, the second time then leads to a third. And if someone finds an obliging partner ---- all one can say is, "Well, there is no worry about an unwanted pregnancy, now is there?"
It all seem sordid and self-servicing. And now YOU know...
People freely (or for money) donate sperm or become surrogates. Nobody forces them.

God made everything in the universe and allowed all the outcomes. Sp god is allowing gays to do what gay people do. Anyways, god threw Adam and Eve out of Eden for having hetero sex because he wanted Adam to stay in homo heaven with him. Hmmm.... And Jesus had a lot of gay traits as well.
 

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So now even the pope believes that homosexuals should be able to marry. He says in a civil union which means he still doesn't advocate that homosexuals should be able to get married in a church but this endorsement is a step in the right direction.

How many natural kids can both partners bring into the world, when they are both women, or both men? They can make believe they are married but they can rub and rub but never achieve what God intended. This is the fallacy of the progs, to push immorality upon US so we can move away from our traditions.

Gay people have children all the time. Now you know.
That must mean that such are not 100% homosexual. GOD didn't make anyone that way. Sin is the corruptive force that distorts and manipulates truth to suit evil behavior, so that even some pope can be confused. Two men behaving badly together do not spawn children. And two women with their plastic accouterments cannot either. That is not to say that GOD intended everyone to marry, have sexual relations and procreate. However, our society screams "SEX, SEX, SEX!" ---- and if you feel uncomfortable then well ----- one must be peculiar.... This is the way secular ideology manipulates and distorts. And this is just another reason the world is in such a mess.
God made everything in the universe including people who are born gay. Gay people have children through sperm donors and surrogates... Now you know.
So, in fact they "supposed homosexuals" are forced to drag in the opposite sex to fulfill their desire for a child. GOD made everything and the UNIVERSE. GOD created a Cherub - Light Bearer who would choose to become Satan/The Accuser. GOD obviously didn't make Satan what he became. I don't see why anyone imagines they have to do anything (unless one is being prompted to). A person doesn't become hooked on drugs without first being exposed to being high first. There are many people who have never taken drugs nor smoked cigarettes ---- and they are fortunately not so inclined or addicted (just as GOD designed them). I can imagine that once an individual has gone for the first ride, he might feel ashamed; however, the second time then leads to a third. And if someone finds an obliging partner ---- all one can say is, "Well, there is no worry about an unwanted pregnancy, now is there?"
It all seem sordid and self-servicing. And now YOU know...
Read this


Romans 1:23–27

23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, ymen committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Well we all now that Ca
Jesus never gave an opinion about gay marriage. So good for the pope.
He did talk about marriage though. And in that discussion - although some will no doubt disagree with my interpretation - he did mention that some were born homosexual.
Can you cite the chapter / verse? (Not the passage about marriage, I know that one, but the second thing you said.)
Matthew 19:4-6. “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”
No, I haven't. I did not grow up in mainstream religion. We read some things from the bible but not all of it. I was taught that Jesus loves everyone and that God blesses everyone.
JESUS the CHRIST certainly loves everyone, and that is why HE gave up HIS life on the cross as a sacrifice so that whosoever will believe on HIM will be saved. However, not everyone wishes to accept CHRIST as their LORD and SAVIOR. Those who never repent will not be blessed of GOD but will be accursed for an eternity. An eternity of their own selection during their lifetime while here. They've committed the unpardonable sin. That sin is the rejection of the means of their very salvation. The result will be to exist eternally reliving all the moments they rejected GOD's perfect and free gift --- or perhaps they will be far too busy wishing they never existed.
If god wants us to believe he's real, why doesn't he show himself, like, perhaps a press conference on the White House lawn?
 

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So now even the pope believes that homosexuals should be able to marry. He says in a civil union which means he still doesn't advocate that homosexuals should be able to get married in a church but this endorsement is a step in the right direction.

How many natural kids can both partners bring into the world, when they are both women, or both men? They can make believe they are married but they can rub and rub but never achieve what God intended. This is the fallacy of the progs, to push immorality upon US so we can move away from our traditions.

Gay people have children all the time. Now you know.
That must mean that such are not 100% homosexual. GOD didn't make anyone that way. Sin is the corruptive force that distorts and manipulates truth to suit evil behavior, so that even some pope can be confused. Two men behaving badly together do not spawn children. And two women with their plastic accouterments cannot either. That is not to say that GOD intended everyone to marry, have sexual relations and procreate. However, our society screams "SEX, SEX, SEX!" ---- and if you feel uncomfortable then well ----- one must be peculiar.... This is the way secular ideology manipulates and distorts. And this is just another reason the world is in such a mess.
God made everything in the universe including people who are born gay. Gay people have children through sperm donors and surrogates... Now you know.
So, in fact they "supposed homosexuals" are forced to drag in the opposite sex to fulfill their desire for a child. GOD made everything and the UNIVERSE. GOD created a Cherub - Light Bearer who would choose to become Satan/The Accuser. GOD obviously didn't make Satan what he became. I don't see why anyone imagines they have to do anything (unless one is being prompted to). A person doesn't become hooked on drugs without first being exposed to being high first. There are many people who have never taken drugs nor smoked cigarettes ---- and they are fortunately not so inclined or addicted (just as GOD designed them). I can imagine that once an individual has gone for the first ride, he might feel ashamed; however, the second time then leads to a third. And if someone finds an obliging partner ---- all one can say is, "Well, there is no worry about an unwanted pregnancy, now is there?"
It all seem sordid and self-servicing. And now YOU know...
It is a shame that all the rubbing and gyrating going on by queers and lesbos that there is a lot of heat, but no conception between the two, so while one donor may have a connection with the child, the other one wont. There will be resentment when the child gravitates towards the real parent....
Heteros adopt children all the time. Are you suggesting that they don't "have a connection with the child"? :cuckoo:
 

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So now even the pope believes that homosexuals should be able to marry. He says in a civil union which means he still doesn't advocate that homosexuals should be able to get married in a church but this endorsement is a step in the right direction.

How many natural kids can both partners bring into the world, when they are both women, or both men? They can make believe they are married but they can rub and rub but never achieve what God intended. This is the fallacy of the progs, to push immorality upon US so we can move away from our traditions.

Gay people have children all the time. Now you know.
That must mean that such are not 100% homosexual. GOD didn't make anyone that way. Sin is the corruptive force that distorts and manipulates truth to suit evil behavior, so that even some pope can be confused. Two men behaving badly together do not spawn children. And two women with their plastic accouterments cannot either. That is not to say that GOD intended everyone to marry, have sexual relations and procreate. However, our society screams "SEX, SEX, SEX!" ---- and if you feel uncomfortable then well ----- one must be peculiar.... This is the way secular ideology manipulates and distorts. And this is just another reason the world is in such a mess.
God made everything in the universe including people who are born gay. Gay people have children through sperm donors and surrogates... Now you know.
So, in fact they "supposed homosexuals" are forced to drag in the opposite sex to fulfill their desire for a child. GOD made everything and the UNIVERSE. GOD created a Cherub - Light Bearer who would choose to become Satan/The Accuser. GOD obviously didn't make Satan what he became. I don't see why anyone imagines they have to do anything (unless one is being prompted to). A person doesn't become hooked on drugs without first being exposed to being high first. There are many people who have never taken drugs nor smoked cigarettes ---- and they are fortunately not so inclined or addicted (just as GOD designed them). I can imagine that once an individual has gone for the first ride, he might feel ashamed; however, the second time then leads to a third. And if someone finds an obliging partner ---- all one can say is, "Well, there is no worry about an unwanted pregnancy, now is there?"
It all seem sordid and self-servicing. And now YOU know...
It is a shame that all the rubbing and gyrating going on by queers and lesbos that there is a lot of heat, but no conception between the two, so while one donor may have a connection with the child, the other one wont. There will be resentment when the child gravitates towards the real parent....
Heteros adopt children all the time. Are you suggesting that they don't "have a connection with the child"? :cuckoo:
In an adoption, when the child finds out that parents arent part of the kin, that child later on looks for the biological parents and has questions for them. Why does that happen, because the connection isnt complete. But for what you have been saying, you are the mentally ill person, who believes that a man should put his dick in another mans ass, and you think that is normal....Oh, yeah, dogs do it also.....
 

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So now even the pope believes that homosexuals should be able to marry. He says in a civil union which means he still doesn't advocate that homosexuals should be able to get married in a church but this endorsement is a step in the right direction.
The state should not recognize the marriage ceremonies of any religion as legal and binding. If we truly want to separate religion from government then churches will not be granted authority in any civil matters.

If you want a church wedding go for it but for any marriage to be legal there needs to be a civil service
Ah yes, and the next step would be to force all parents to send their children to GOVERNMENT PUBLIC SCHOOLS --- to receive select propaganda of a humanistic state enforced education. Maybe, they (the students) would all join the Democratic Socialist Party, if only properly trained by the STATE.
None of that has anything to do with a legal contract like marriage.

And you do realize that parochial scools follow the same rules as public schools don't you all but for the religious stuff that is.

Why should a clergy person be "vested" with any legal power by the state?
The is still an environment were GOD openly is influential to the learning process and not shunned as in public education. There is still room for Noah's Flood in science to be debated and Intelligent Design to be regarded. And Social Studies is not only secular issues nor perspective. The educator's hands are not tied in bureaucratic tape for the most part.
Tell me would you want a Muslim teacher to teach religion in a public school where your kids went?

Religion is a private matter and the state should not be involved at all.

Just like no clergy person should have the authority to endorse a legal contract such as marriage
 

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So now even the pope believes that homosexuals should be able to marry. He says in a civil union which means he still doesn't advocate that homosexuals should be able to get married in a church but this endorsement is a step in the right direction.

How many natural kids can both partners bring into the world, when they are both women, or both men? They can make believe they are married but they can rub and rub but never achieve what God intended. This is the fallacy of the progs, to push immorality upon US so we can move away from our traditions.

Gay people have children all the time. Now you know.
That must mean that such are not 100% homosexual. GOD didn't make anyone that way. Sin is the corruptive force that distorts and manipulates truth to suit evil behavior, so that even some pope can be confused. Two men behaving badly together do not spawn children. And two women with their plastic accouterments cannot either. That is not to say that GOD intended everyone to marry, have sexual relations and procreate. However, our society screams "SEX, SEX, SEX!" ---- and if you feel uncomfortable then well ----- one must be peculiar.... This is the way secular ideology manipulates and distorts. And this is just another reason the world is in such a mess.
God made everything in the universe including people who are born gay. Gay people have children through sperm donors and surrogates... Now you know.
So, in fact they "supposed homosexuals" are forced to drag in the opposite sex to fulfill their desire for a child. GOD made everything and the UNIVERSE. GOD created a Cherub - Light Bearer who would choose to become Satan/The Accuser. GOD obviously didn't make Satan what he became. I don't see why anyone imagines they have to do anything (unless one is being prompted to). A person doesn't become hooked on drugs without first being exposed to being high first. There are many people who have never taken drugs nor smoked cigarettes ---- and they are fortunately not so inclined or addicted (just as GOD designed them). I can imagine that once an individual has gone for the first ride, he might feel ashamed; however, the second time then leads to a third. And if someone finds an obliging partner ---- all one can say is, "Well, there is no worry about an unwanted pregnancy, now is there?"
It all seem sordid and self-servicing. And now YOU know...
It is a shame that all the rubbing and gyrating going on by queers and lesbos that there is a lot of heat, but no conception between the two, so while one donor may have a connection with the child, the other one wont. There will be resentment when the child gravitates towards the real parent....
Heteros adopt children all the time. Are you suggesting that they don't "have a connection with the child"? :cuckoo:
In an adoption, when the child finds out that parents arent part of the kin, that child later on looks for the biological parents and has questions for them. Why does that happen, because the connection isnt complete. But for what you have been saying, you are the mentally ill person, who believes that a man should put his dick in another mans ass, and you think that is normal....Oh, yeah, dogs do it also.....
God made everything in the universe, including gays. And in any case, god hasn't done anything to gays to make them stop ass fucking. So it must be ok.
 

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Just read on the Daily Mail website that many people are very DISpleased with His Holiness's tolerant attitude. I think that the Pope who had resigned is among the opponents.

Opposition, the article says, is especially strong in Africa, where one African cardinal compares gay relations to the evils of Nazism.

And I read a headline elsewhere that at least one media outlet in Mexico refused to broadcast His Holiness's words on that topic.
 

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God does not approve
How arrogant of you to pretend that you know the mind of an omnipotent, unseen Supreme Being.
If you read the Bible you can. He lays it out in black and white. Unless you are a child of satan.
I don't think that the Supreme Being actually wrote the bible or any other sacred text in any religion. This "child of satan" stuff is just nutty.
The "Supreme Being" inspired particular humans (HE chose) to write what HE wished, as HE saw fit. A child of Satan is anyone who is not redeemed. In other words, everyone who intentionally rejects CHRIST/MESSIAH is not one with GOD and that one's name isn't found in the LAMB's BOOK OF LIFE. GOD does protect HIS holy word found in the Bible. And the Bible and not some pope is the Standard of CHRIST's CHURCH, and the rod by which everything else is measured.
Another appeal to authority fallacy.

It's this sort of arrogant sophistry that perpetuates hatred against gay and transgender Americans.
 

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Just read on the Daily Mail website that many people are very DISpleased with His Holiness's tolerant attitude. I think that the Pope who had resigned is among the opponents.

Opposition, the article says, is especially strong in Africa, where one African cardinal compares gay relations to the evils of Nazism.

And I read a headline elsewhere that at least one media outlet in Mexico refused to broadcast His Holiness's words on that topic.
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15 “So when you see the abomination of desolation wspoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, 18 and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. 19 And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! 20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, hso as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
 

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So now even the pope believes that homosexuals should be able to marry. He says in a civil union which means he still doesn't advocate that homosexuals should be able to get married in a church but this endorsement is a step in the right direction.

How many natural kids can both partners bring into the world, when they are both women, or both men? They can make believe they are married but they can rub and rub but never achieve what God intended. This is the fallacy of the progs, to push immorality upon US so we can move away from our traditions.

Gay people have children all the time. Now you know.
That must mean that such are not 100% homosexual. GOD didn't make anyone that way. Sin is the corruptive force that distorts and manipulates truth to suit evil behavior, so that even some pope can be confused. Two men behaving badly together do not spawn children. And two women with their plastic accouterments cannot either. That is not to say that GOD intended everyone to marry, have sexual relations and procreate. However, our society screams "SEX, SEX, SEX!" ---- and if you feel uncomfortable then well ----- one must be peculiar.... This is the way secular ideology manipulates and distorts. And this is just another reason the world is in such a mess.
God made everything in the universe including people who are born gay. Gay people have children through sperm donors and surrogates... Now you know.
So, in fact they "supposed homosexuals" are forced to drag in the opposite sex to fulfill their desire for a child. GOD made everything and the UNIVERSE. GOD created a Cherub - Light Bearer who would choose to become Satan/The Accuser. GOD obviously didn't make Satan what he became. I don't see why anyone imagines they have to do anything (unless one is being prompted to). A person doesn't become hooked on drugs without first being exposed to being high first. There are many people who have never taken drugs nor smoked cigarettes ---- and they are fortunately not so inclined or addicted (just as GOD designed them). I can imagine that once an individual has gone for the first ride, he might feel ashamed; however, the second time then leads to a third. And if someone finds an obliging partner ---- all one can say is, "Well, there is no worry about an unwanted pregnancy, now is there?"
It all seem sordid and self-servicing. And now YOU know...
It is a shame that all the rubbing and gyrating going on by queers and lesbos that there is a lot of heat, but no conception between the two, so while one donor may have a connection with the child, the other one wont. There will be resentment when the child gravitates towards the real parent....
Heteros adopt children all the time. Are you suggesting that they don't "have a connection with the child"? :cuckoo:
In an adoption, when the child finds out that parents arent part of the kin, that child later on looks for the biological parents and has questions for them. Why does that happen, because the connection isnt complete. But for what you have been saying, you are the mentally ill person, who believes that a man should put his dick in another mans ass, and you think that is normal....Oh, yeah, dogs do it also.....
God made everything in the universe, including gays. And in any case, god hasn't done anything to gays to make them stop ass fucking. So it must be ok.
If God wanted Gays, do you think he would put Adam and Eve in the garden or Adam and Bubba? By the way the cast out Angel, Lucifer is the one who put the gayness into people, strictly going against the will of God, but that is the choice that God allows them, and when revelations come, those who follow Lucifer will have to answer for it.
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“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history... the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”
 

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