Poll: Will you comply with vaccine mandates required of you by politicians to keep your job?

[Rigby5]

Idiot here would have preferred 2 or 3 million died

STFU

Stupid lie.
It should clearly be obvious that young healthy people under 40 are 400 times less likely to die than the current deaths that are almost all over 70.
If you take Fauci's estimate of 2.4 million deaths if you do nothing, and divide by 400 to get the death rate if you deliberately infect healthy volunteers, you end up with only 6,000 deaths, and it would have been over last March.

 

[Rigby5]

Problem is…. The elderly GOT vaxxed and the age of hospitalized and dying dropped to mid 40’s

Does not make any difference.
If we still concentrate on deliberate infection of young/healthy volunteers, we would have a very small number of deaths compared to letting it linger for over a year and a half. If we had no "flattened the curve" on the initial spike, even if that means 60,000 deaths, that would be vastly better than the 660,000 we have now.

 

[Rigby5]

For Moderna and Pfizer, they were only used for testing of the vaccine, making sure they could transfect human cells.

I have no idea why you think that the patient doesn’t produce the spike proteins. That’s literally the fundamental method of an mRNA vaccine.

Totally and completely wrong.
Moderna and Pfizer both totally grow and harvest the synthetic spike proteins from factory stem cells.
It is true the CDC site does CLAIM the vaccines make you grow your own spike proteins in your own cells, but everyone should recognized as ridiculous.
There is no way an intermuscular injection of RNA could ever be transcribed.
It has to INSIDE of a cell nucleus in order for that to happen.
And the only way that can happen is with a huge stem cell in a factory, under a microscope, with a micro syringe.
And anyone should know it could not possibly be the way the CDC site describes, because even if you could get RNA to be transcribed outside of a cell nucleus, there would be no way to control dose.
Some people would not grow any spike proteins, while other would overdose and die from the immune reaction to so many spikes.
Anyone who knows anything about biology knows the CDC site's explanation is ridiculously stupid and can not possibly be what really happens.
They just deliberately kludged the explanation in order to leave out all the stem cell aspects.

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

Totally and completely wrong.
Moderna and Pfizer both totally grow and harvest the synthetic spike proteins from factory stem cells.
It is true the CDC site does CLAIM the vaccines make you grow your own spike proteins in your own cells, but everyone should recognized as ridiculous.
There is no way an intermuscular injection of RNA could ever be transcribed.
It has to INSIDE of a cell nucleus in order for that to happen.
And the only way that can happen is with a huge stem cell in a factory, under a microscope, with a micro syringe.
And anyone should know it could not possibly be the way the CDC site describes, because even if you could get RNA to be transcribed outside of a cell nucleus, there would be no way to control dose.
Some people would not grow any spike proteins, while other would overdose and die from the immune reaction to so many spikes.
Anyone who knows anything about biology knows the CDC site's explanation is ridiculously stupid and can not possibly be what really happens.
They just deliberately kludged the explanation in order to leave out all the stem cell aspects.

Can you please provide a link for this? You seem quite intelligent to me, but this is contrary to what I have read. I am very interested in this information since many people need to file effective religious exemptions.

 

[colfax_m]

Totally and completely wrong.
Moderna and Pfizer both totally grow and harvest the synthetic spike proteins from factory stem cells.
It is true the CDC site does CLAIM the vaccines make you grow your own spike proteins in your own cells, but everyone should recognized as ridiculous.
There is no way an intermuscular injection of RNA could ever be transcribed.
It has to INSIDE of a cell nucleus in order for that to happen.
And the only way that can happen is with a huge stem cell in a factory, under a microscope, with a micro syringe.
And anyone should know it could not possibly be the way the CDC site describes, because even if you could get RNA to be transcribed outside of a cell nucleus, there would be no way to control dose.
Some people would not grow any spike proteins, while other would overdose and die from the immune reaction to so many spikes.
Anyone who knows anything about biology knows the CDC site's explanation is ridiculously stupid and can not possibly be what really happens.
They just deliberately kludged the explanation in order to leave out all the stem cell aspects.

You simply don't understand biology.

For starters, you don't need to transcribe the mRNA. You need to translate it.

Transcription is the process of copying DNA into mRNA. That does occur in the nucleus, but that's not relevant to the vaccine. Once mRNA is transcribed it goes out of the nucleus into the cytoplasm. From there, it is translated by ribosomes into the protein.

It's merely a process of getting the mRNA into the cytoplasm. Not easy, but they have been working on these methodologist for a very long time given it's so useful for all sorts of applications.

Overdosing is ridiculous. The amount of mRNA in the vaccine can be measured and dosed. The mRNA is rapidly degraded and so it's not present in the cell for very long.

 

[Rigby5]

Can you please provide a link for this? You seem quite intelligent to me, but this is contrary to what I have read. I am very interested in this information since many people need to file effective religious exemptions.

I spent a few minutes looking an overview, and instead only ran into the CDC description of mRNA being in the vaccine.
That just seems impossible to me, with vast risks and no way to work at all.
But not sure what to say.
At least 2 additional sites claimed the vaccine just had mRNA instead of spike proteins harvested using mRNA, just as the CDC claims.

 

[WEATHER53]

For a hoax to work like this one has you must
1. Have a valid potentially sinister aspect to it
2.Have people absent math, statistical and percentage abilities.
3.Exaggerate the “potential deadly” aspects of the situation to “likely” and portray “worst case” as”most likely”.
4. Invent the phenomena that all other people are responsible to quell your health worries.
5. Rely on enough people buying into 1-4 to create irrational fear and those who will merely follow orders. This then allows for on the spot “laws” to be implemented.

All 5 have flourished with Covid stripping away America’s fundamental liberties and decision making abilities.

 

[Rigby5]

You simply don't understand biology.

For starters, you don't need to transcribe the mRNA. You need to translate it.

Transcription is the process of copying DNA into mRNA. That does occur in the nucleus, but that's not relevant to the vaccine. Once mRNA is transcribed it goes out of the nucleus into the cytoplasm. From there, it is translated by ribosomes into the protein.

It's merely a process of getting the mRNA into the cytoplasm. Not easy, but they have been working on these methodologist for a very long time given it's so useful for all sorts of applications.

Overdosing is ridiculous. The amount of mRNA in the vaccine can be measured and dosed. The mRNA is rapidly degraded and so it's not present in the cell for very long.

Wrong.
While you are correct on translation instead of transcription, there still is no way for an intramuscular injection to get into the cytoplasm, and the rate of mRNA degradation is irrelevant. The amount of translation of any RNA that does get into the cytoplasm will be totally out of control.
Some humans would not translate any spike proteins, while other people would produce so many that they would experience a fatal cytokine storm.
The amount of mRNA could be measured and dosed, but not the amount that gets into cells or the number of times translated.

 

[jc456]

You're right. Everyone has their freedom to die how they like. I support that vigorously like you.

Yep, board airplanes drive cars get chemotherapy! Did you finally read actual information?

 

[Lesh]

Does not make any difference.
If we still concentrate on deliberate infection of young/healthy volunteers, we would have a very small number of deaths compared to letting it linger for over a year and a half. If we had no "flattened the curve" on the initial spike, even if that means 60,000 deaths, that would be vastly better than the 660,000 we have now.

Nonsense

The elderly are pretty much protected/vaxxed at this point and infections and deaths are going nuts. And it's younger folks doing the dying now

 

[Lesh]

You simply don't understand biology.

For starters, you don't need to transcribe the mRNA. You need to translate it.

Transcription is the process of copying DNA into mRNA. That does occur in the nucleus, but that's not relevant to the vaccine. Once mRNA is transcribed it goes out of the nucleus into the cytoplasm. From there, it is translated by ribosomes into the protein.

It's merely a process of getting the mRNA into the cytoplasm. Not easy, but they have been working on these methodologist for a very long time given it's so useful for all sorts of applications.

Overdosing is ridiculous. The amount of mRNA in the vaccine can be measured and dosed. The mRNA is rapidly degraded and so it's not present in the cell for very long.

Rigby is a pretend doctor and Kremlin troll

 

[jc456]

Wrong.
While you are correct on translation instead of transcription, there still is no way for an intramuscular injection to get into the cytoplasm, and the rate of mRNA degradation is irrelevant. The amount of translation of any RNA that does get into the cytoplasm will be totally out of control.
Some humans would not translate any spike proteins, while other people would produce so many that they would experience a fatal cytokine storm.
The amount of mRNA could be measured and dosed, but not the amount that gets into cells or the number of times translated.

It’s like chemotherapy

 

[Dragonlady]

Does not make any difference.
If we still concentrate on deliberate infection of young/healthy volunteers, we would have a very small number of deaths compared to letting it linger for over a year and a half. If we had no "flattened the curve" on the initial spike, even if that means 60,000 deaths, that would be vastly better than the 660,000 we have now.

You're insane for even suggesting that strategy, given that 10% of the people infected are left with "pre-existing conditions" and who could possibly be left life-long health complications.

Those who oppose the vaccine on the grounds that we don't know the long term effects of the vaccine seem to forget that we don't know the long terms effects of severe covid19 infection, or long haul covid infections either. Isn't it better to do everything possible to avoid ALL infections?

 

[WEATHER53]

You're insane for even suggesting that strategy, given that 10% of the people infected are left with "pre-existing conditions" and who could possibly be left life-long health complications.

Those who oppose the vaccine on the grounds that we don't know the long term effects of the vaccine seem to forget that we don't know the long terms effects of severe covid19 infection, or long haul covid infections either. Isn't it better to do everything possible to avoid ALL infections?

Your last paragraph does not justify forced human experimentation like you are suggesting it does.

 

[jc456]

Your last paragraph does not justify forced human experimentation like you are suggesting it does.

Nothing ever will. Only we are responsible for ourselves

 

[Colin norris]

Yep, board airplanes drive cars get chemotherapy! Did you finally read actual information?

Yes. Nothing has changed my mind. Enjoy eternity.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Obvious how, by what you read on USMB?

Every Republican talk show host I watch or listen to tell people they got the vaccine. Even on USMB Republicans state they got the vaccine. I'm on the right, do you think I got the vaccine?

They just need division, and a group they can demonize -- even if there is very little difference in the vaccination rate

 

[Rigby5]

Nonsense

The elderly are pretty much protected/vaxxed at this point and infections and deaths are going nuts. And it's younger folks doing the dying now

Nope.

COVID-19 deaths by age U.S. 2023| Statista

Between the beginning of January 2020 and June 14, 2023, of the 1,134,641 deaths caused by COVID-19 in the United States, around 307,169 had occurred among those aged 85 years and older.

www.statista.com

Of the 670,000 US covid dead, only 9,000 under 40.
We have kept the virus around so long that it is adapting to variants with less lethal effects on the elderly, but the young are not at more risk.
Natural selection always makes variants that are less lethal, more successful.

 

[Rigby5]

You're insane for even suggesting that strategy, given that 10% of the people infected are left with "pre-existing conditions" and who could possibly be left life-long health complications.

Those who oppose the vaccine on the grounds that we don't know the long term effects of the vaccine seem to forget that we don't know the long terms effects of severe covid19 infection, or long haul covid infections either. Isn't it better to do everything possible to avoid ALL infections?

Wrong.
Covid has no effect, long or short term.
The only serious effects are from the cytokine storm when the immune system over reacts.
And not only can that be easily treated with immuno-suppressants, but that does not happen hardly ever with young people.
It is not 10%, but 0.025%.
The risk difference between those over 70 and those under 40 is a factor of 400 safer.

It is NOT at all better to avoid all infection, but instead to get it over with as quickly as possible, so that the death toll is smallest.
The first month in March, we could have encourged the spike instead of flattening the curve, and ended it then with only 60,000 deaths.

 

[Rigby5]

Your last paragraph does not justify forced human experimentation like you are suggesting it does.

Her mistake is believing a virus can have long haul effects at all, when clearly the thing to worry about with long haul, is the immune system T-cell memory.
That can last a lifetime and come back to bite us any times.