POLL: Serious question for conservatives: Have you given up?

[OKTexas]

"they believe in individual liberty? What radical nut jobs! They are so anti-American believing in the whole concept of America and what-not"

their liberty stops at others' noses.

and no, I don't want to live in a world where I can't be served because some freak doesn't like jews.

Conformity. The emotionally weak and insecures answer for everything.

if you open a business that is open to the public, you have to be granted public accommodation. how absurd and sad that you think that's "conformist" or emotionally weak.

I'd just say I'm not a hate-filled bigot.

Just because its law doesn't mean shit. You are a lawyer, you should know that. Legally, I can beat my wife at the courthouse on Sunday if I want. You ok with that? Does that make you a hate-filled bigot?
Neither am I. ANYONE should be able to refuse to ANYONE.

it's not just law, it's correct.

if you can't obey the law, don't open the damn business.

and like hell you should be able to have all-white Christian establishments.

Actually I can, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it, I just call it a private club.

 

[Rustic]

Real conservatives can win but the Tea Party nonsense and reactionaries have had their 15 minutes of fame.

Time to bring back the GOP big tent, and the Dems have a lot of work to do as well.

Big tent? What is your idea of a big tent?
Just another word for a spineless career politician??

 

[Rustic]

I could easily be wrong here, but I'm seeing little signs here and there that there are conservatives who are more in a salvage operation than a rescue operation.

In other words, I'm getting the impression that they feel the country is clearly going down a different road, and that the major battle has been lost. What some seem to be doing now is trying to salvage what elements of conservatism they can. But other than that, it's over.

Am I right or wrong?
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when so-called conservatives are railing because they can't hang signs on their businesses saying "no blacks, no jews, no gays", in 2016, I don't think the party has anything it can do but run a salvage operation.

seriously, actual conservatives get left out in the cold with raving loons like that. better to let them go start their own party and re-build from there.

You're living in the past, I'm a minority I see no racism day to day.

 

[OKTexas]

Republicans rigged the House through gerrymandering. Democrats can fight back at the ballot box

Fifty-five percent of the nation's congressional districts were drawn to favor Republicans while only 10 percent were drawn to favor Democrats, with the balance drawn independently.
As a result, a majority of seats voted for Mitt Romney even though Barack Obama won in 2012—by four points. It should thus come as no surprise that Republicans were able to easily keep the House despite losing the popular vote that year, and there is the very real possibility this could happen again in 2016 even if Democrats hold the White House.

So districts in California and New York are not drawn to favor Democrats?

Again, its only gerrymandering when the other side is doing it.

there is a difference in degree. to win the house of representatives, democrats, because of insane gerrymandering on the part of the right, would have to win 25% more of the electorate than the GOP. that is simply absurd. in 2010 when the wingers "won" the House, democrats had one million votes more.

I'd say that's a problem.

Ain't our republic grand?

 

[OKTexas]

I could easily be wrong here, but I'm seeing little signs here and there that there are conservatives who are more in a salvage operation than a rescue operation.

In other words, I'm getting the impression that they feel the country is clearly going down a different road, and that the major battle has been lost. What some seem to be doing now is trying to salvage what elements of conservatism they can. But other than that, it's over.

Am I right or wrong?
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The original country died in 1865

yeah, damn that whole getting rid of slavery thing.

No they got rid of that "free men ought to be able to govern themselves", thing.

 

[Rustic]

Republicans rigged the House through gerrymandering. Democrats can fight back at the ballot box

Fifty-five percent of the nation's congressional districts were drawn to favor Republicans while only 10 percent were drawn to favor Democrats, with the balance drawn independently.
As a result, a majority of seats voted for Mitt Romney even though Barack Obama won in 2012—by four points. It should thus come as no surprise that Republicans were able to easily keep the House despite losing the popular vote that year, and there is the very real possibility this could happen again in 2016 even if Democrats hold the White House.

So districts in California and New York are not drawn to favor Democrats?

Again, its only gerrymandering when the other side is doing it.

there is a difference in degree. to win the house of representatives, democrats, because of insane gerrymandering on the part of the right, would have to win 25% more of the electorate than the GOP. that is simply absurd. in 2010 when the wingers "won" the House, democrats had one million votes more.

I'd say that's a problem.

Ain't our republic grand?

Gerrymandering is just an excuse for the losing side, the bed wetting continues...

 

[OKTexas]

I could easily be wrong here, but I'm seeing little signs here and there that there are conservatives who are more in a salvage operation than a rescue operation.

In other words, I'm getting the impression that they feel the country is clearly going down a different road, and that the major battle has been lost. What some seem to be doing now is trying to salvage what elements of conservatism they can. But other than that, it's over.

Am I right or wrong?
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If I had a dollar for every time someone claimed conservatism was dead, I would be a rich man.

What's funny is that it is the left who are on the ropes. This is pendulum that swings back and forth, with Obama it swung to the furthest left extreme, now it is swinging back.

But then, much has to do with how you define "conservative." The gay shit is over.

When's the last time the so-called pendulum swung in the direction of an actual advancement of a major conservative cause?

Heller, McDonald.

 

[OKTexas]

The original country died in 1865

yeah, damn that whole getting rid of slavery thing.

Federalism. Slavery was the issue, but the original notion of federal-state powers ended at that time.

it didn't end, but the power did shift towards the federal government, and that power only continued to be exploited by progressives to centralize power.

We can still go back to federalism under the current document, but only if our Courts stop making shit up.

We can't ever go back. We'd not have Medicaid under the original view. Even without the Civil War, World Wars forced changes. We just don't have standing armies, we have a standing weapons industry. Social needs forced changes. Soc Sec ... maybe, just possibly. Medicare ..... ok. But no way for Medicaid, not to mention the bizarre fed-state Obamacare structure.

We can go back when it comes to smaller stuff, and that would be a start. People just have to start small.

One example is the forced 21 year old drinking age. The amendment states that the States set their alcohol policy, but the government did an end run around that with highway funding, which to me is blatantly unconstitutional.

It is unconstitutional as demonstrated in the first ACA decision. The feds can't withhold existing funds for a State refusing to implement a new fed mandate. The drinking age was never challenged on that basis.

 

[OKTexas]

You do know that most counts show the election going for Bush anyway, right? Regardless of how the final count ended up. Plus Gore lost his own State due to his gun control fetish. Blame his loss on that.

And your condolences for the deceased are noted.

Blame his loss on a perverted system where the guy who loses the vote can win the election.

Its because the States actually elect the president via the electoral college, not the people directly. Have a problem with that? Amend the constitution.

Yes, it's stupid. If it's wrong to elect people based on who gets the most votes,

then every other election in the US, as far as I know, must be wrong.

Are they?

Most other elections are based on direct voting, with a plurality winning the election (some places do enforce run-offs for votes where the winner gets under 50% though).

Presidential voting is unique, and again, if you want to change it, the amendment process is out there. It's not like it hasn't been used to change the procedure before (or for that matter creating direct voting of senators).

Just because presidential voting is unique doesn't make it better.

Yes it does, it's part of the checks and balance of powers, as intended.

 

[OKTexas]

Republicans rigged the House through gerrymandering. Democrats can fight back at the ballot box

Fifty-five percent of the nation's congressional districts were drawn to favor Republicans while only 10 percent were drawn to favor Democrats, with the balance drawn independently.
As a result, a majority of seats voted for Mitt Romney even though Barack Obama won in 2012—by four points. It should thus come as no surprise that Republicans were able to easily keep the House despite losing the popular vote that year, and there is the very real possibility this could happen again in 2016 even if Democrats hold the White House.

So districts in California and New York are not drawn to favor Democrats?

Again, its only gerrymandering when the other side is doing it.

there is a difference in degree. to win the house of representatives, democrats, because of insane gerrymandering on the part of the right, would have to win 25% more of the electorate than the GOP. that is simply absurd. in 2010 when the wingers "won" the House, democrats had one million votes more.

I'd say that's a problem.

Ain't our republic grand?

Gerrymandering is just an excuse for the losing side, the bed wetting continues...

Especially when they do it every time the have the opportunity.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I could easily be wrong here, but I'm seeing little signs here and there that there are conservatives who are more in a salvage operation than a rescue operation.

In other words, I'm getting the impression that they feel the country is clearly going down a different road, and that the major battle has been lost. What some seem to be doing now is trying to salvage what elements of conservatism they can. But other than that, it's over.

Am I right or wrong?
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So. Have I given up?

I gave up a long time ago.

This country is going down a perilous path that I cannot follow, it has come to a forked path. If it went down one or the other branch of the fork, I wouldn't follow. You see, both roads lead to peril. If I ever manage to marry and have children of my own, I'll be telling them stories of what America used to be before she chose to tear herself apart. The sad part is that it isn't just Republicans, it's Democrats too. Political divisiveness has shattered this country in two, hence the fork in the path.

America herself needs to be put back together. This political hatred is destructive. Instead of going down the left or right side of that fork in the path like we have done, perhaps we should have turned around and read the signposts we passed without consulting rather than walking blindly to our doom. There may have been a better path.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I think the R's had one too many presidential candidates of the same ole same ole in the beginning, also, the R's gaining full control of the House and Senate and still being a ''do nothing Congress has come back to bite them, making Trump stand out, as an outsider, more appealing than normal.

cool. Now explain Bernie.

free college, appealing to college age students and the parents of college age student's pocketbooks.

Said no hard working taxpayer ever. Their pocketbooks are theirs, and they don't have to pay for your child's college.

There are people who earned their money and paid for their education. How is it fair to give these kids something they had to earn?

And this is why America will soon turn into something unrecognizable. Never again will we be compelled to earn our lot or prove our worth, we'll get the fruits of others labor.

 

[TemplarKormac]

 

[Si modo]

I'm going to vote for Bernie. I've planned out my investment strategy to take into account the runaway inflation and interest rates. Then, I can retire early after his first term. But, if he wins a second term, I may just leech another four years, retire a bit later, but have more resources with which to play.

And, don't think corporate America hasn't thought the same thing.

Yup...I'm gonna be a Bernie groupie.

 

[Avatar4321]

I don't see how following the constitution is extreme, crazy, or something we abandon.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Conservatives haven't so much given up as they've come to the point where they have nothing of value or merit to offer the American people; republicans' politics of fear and personal attacks are no substitute for sound, responsible governance – voters have grown tired of conservatives trying to place the blame for the right's failures everywhere but where it belongs: with conservatives.

The president, 'liberals,' and democrats are not 'responsible' for the problems the Nation faces; we're unable to address problems as a consequence of republican obstructionism and the blind adherence of conservatives to their failed, wrongheaded political dogma.

Indeed, republicans are more interested in gaining control of the WH to further pursue their agenda hostile to diversity, dissent, and expressions of individual liberty – an agenda hostile to the privacy rights of women, hostile to the equal protection rights of gay Americans, and hostile to necessary, proper, and Constitutional regulatory policy – then they are of finding actual solutions to problems Americans care about.

 

[Agit8r]

I could easily be wrong here, but I'm seeing little signs here and there that there are conservatives who are more in a salvage operation than a rescue operation.

In other words, I'm getting the impression that they feel the country is clearly going down a different road, and that the major battle has been lost. What some seem to be doing now is trying to salvage what elements of conservatism they can. But other than that, it's over.

Am I right or wrong?
.

The political tide ebbs and flows. Conservatives have a "rebuilding year" again, if I may use a sports metaphor. Eventually they will accept their latest crisis, and try to make modest gains while they work to undermine the Democratic machine, to facilitate their next offensive.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I could easily be wrong here, but I'm seeing little signs here and there that there are conservatives who are more in a salvage operation than a rescue operation.

In other words, I'm getting the impression that they feel the country is clearly going down a different road, and that the major battle has been lost. What some seem to be doing now is trying to salvage what elements of conservatism they can. But other than that, it's over.

Am I right or wrong?
.

As a strict constructional federalist with libertarian leanings, I haven't given up, but I am worried that things have to get worse before they get better.

Implementing the failed, sophomoric, and inane dogma of “strict constructional federalist with libertarian leanings” would in fact be things getting worse.

Rejecting this sort of moronic reactionaryism is an important part of making things better.

The fear, ignorance, and blind adherence to your failed dogma represents is what's indeed holding America back.

 

[Anathema]

The country can still be turned around. However, it won't happen via votes in an election. It will happen via blood in the streets and dead politicians laid out in the square. It WILL require a revolution of blood to correct the last 150 years of liberalism in this country.

 

[Care4all]

I think the R's had one too many presidential candidates of the same ole same ole in the beginning, also, the R's gaining full control of the House and Senate and still being a ''do nothing Congress has come back to bite them, making Trump stand out, as an outsider, more appealing than normal.

cool. Now explain Bernie.

free college, appealing to college age students and the parents of college age student's pocketbooks.

Said no hard working taxpayer ever. Their pocketbooks are theirs, and they don't have to pay for your child's college.

There are people who earned their money and paid for their education. How is it fair to give these kids something they had to earn?

And this is why America will soon turn into something unrecognizable. Never again will we be compelled to earn our lot or prove our worth, we'll get the fruits of others labor.

Tsk tsk
Sorry, try again!

My husband and I have been unable to have children and we have paid for other people's children's schooling with our property taxes and state taxes and fed income taxes for decades....probably even part of your education.