POLL: Serious question for conservatives: Have you given up?

[sealybobo]

I could easily be wrong here, but I'm seeing little signs here and there that there are conservatives who are more in a salvage operation than a rescue operation.

In other words, I'm getting the impression that they feel the country is clearly going down a different road, and that the major battle has been lost. What some seem to be doing now is trying to salvage what elements of conservatism they can. But other than that, it's over.

Am I right or wrong?
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when so-called conservatives are railing because they can't hang signs on their businesses saying "no blacks, no jews, no gays", in 2016, I don't think the party has anything it can do but run a salvage operation.

seriously, actual conservatives get left out in the cold with raving loons like that. better to let them go start their own party and re-build from there.

Republicans through gerrymandering completely own a lot of state houses and it's projected it will take years for the Democrats to possibly win back the Federal House.

The top item on that list was to end partisan gerrymandering: "we have to end the practice of drawing our congressional districts so that politicians can pick their voters, and not the other way around," Obama said.
In most states, state legislatures draw the district boundaries that determine how many delegates the state sends to the U.S. Congress, as well as the general partisan make-up of that delegation. State legislatures are partisan beasts, and if one party is in control of the process they can draw boundaries to give themselves a numeric advantage over their opponents in Congress.This process is called gerrymandering.

And is, of course, only bad when THOSE GUYS do it.

And the 31-18-1 advantage Republicans have with Governors is due to gerrymandering as well, right?

I don't get it. Michigan's 2 Senate seats are always Democratic, we always vote Blue for President, and yet sometimes a Republican will win the Governors house. Baffling. Especially in a union state. But the unions fucked themselves 6 years ago when they voted in Snyder. They didn't think he'd do it but he made Michigan a right to work state. The unions deserve what's coming to them.

And Republicans completely own both state houses in Michigan.

Republicans realized a long time ago it was more important to control the state government than it is the federal government. You can get more done on a state level.

The Republicans in Michigan love the pork our Democratic senators bring home for them.

And Progressives realized long ago if you can get the Supreme Court to make crap up, you can ignore winning anything at the State level.

I think it was the GOP that realized 2 justices were going to be retiring so that is why they had to STEAL the 2000 election. They had to get Alito and Roberts on the court. Well this is karma for ya. The most right winger of your Justices just croaked and the timing couldn't have been more perfect. Even if Trump wins and he appoints a conservative, no way the guy will be as conservative as Scalia was.

 

[martybegan]

when so-called conservatives are railing because they can't hang signs on their businesses saying "no blacks, no jews, no gays", in 2016, I don't think the party has anything it can do but run a salvage operation.

seriously, actual conservatives get left out in the cold with raving loons like that. better to let them go start their own party and re-build from there.

Republicans through gerrymandering completely own a lot of state houses and it's projected it will take years for the Democrats to possibly win back the Federal House.

The top item on that list was to end partisan gerrymandering: "we have to end the practice of drawing our congressional districts so that politicians can pick their voters, and not the other way around," Obama said.
In most states, state legislatures draw the district boundaries that determine how many delegates the state sends to the U.S. Congress, as well as the general partisan make-up of that delegation. State legislatures are partisan beasts, and if one party is in control of the process they can draw boundaries to give themselves a numeric advantage over their opponents in Congress.This process is called gerrymandering.

And is, of course, only bad when THOSE GUYS do it.

And the 31-18-1 advantage Republicans have with Governors is due to gerrymandering as well, right?

I don't get it. Michigan's 2 Senate seats are always Democratic, we always vote Blue for President, and yet sometimes a Republican will win the Governors house. Baffling. Especially in a union state. But the unions fucked themselves 6 years ago when they voted in Snyder. They didn't think he'd do it but he made Michigan a right to work state. The unions deserve what's coming to them.

And Republicans completely own both state houses in Michigan.

Republicans realized a long time ago it was more important to control the state government than it is the federal government. You can get more done on a state level.

The Republicans in Michigan love the pork our Democratic senators bring home for them.

And Progressives realized long ago if you can get the Supreme Court to make crap up, you can ignore winning anything at the State level.

I think it was the GOP that realized 2 justices were going to be retiring so that is why they had to STEAL the 2000 election. They had to get Alito and Roberts on the court. Well this is karma for ya. The most right winger of your Justices just croaked and the timing couldn't have been more perfect. Even if Trump wins and he appoints a conservative, no way the guy will be as conservative as Scalia was.

You do know that most counts show the election going for Bush anyway, right? Regardless of how the final count ended up. Plus Gore lost his own State due to his gun control fetish. Blame his loss on that.

And your condolences for the deceased are noted.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I could easily be wrong here, but I'm seeing little signs here and there that there are conservatives who are more in a salvage operation than a rescue operation.

In other words, I'm getting the impression that they feel the country is clearly going down a different road, and that the major battle has been lost. What some seem to be doing now is trying to salvage what elements of conservatism they can. But other than that, it's over.

Am I right or wrong?
.

If I had a dollar for every time someone claimed conservatism was dead, I would be a rich man.

What's funny is that it is the left who are on the ropes. This is pendulum that swings back and forth, with Obama it swung to the furthest left extreme, now it is swinging back.

But then, much has to do with how you define "conservative." The gay shit is over.

 

[sealybobo]

I could easily be wrong here, but I'm seeing little signs here and there that there are conservatives who are more in a salvage operation than a rescue operation.

In other words, I'm getting the impression that they feel the country is clearly going down a different road, and that the major battle has been lost. What some seem to be doing now is trying to salvage what elements of conservatism they can. But other than that, it's over.

Am I right or wrong?
.

when so-called conservatives are railing because they can't hang signs on their businesses saying "no blacks, no jews, no gays", in 2016, I don't think the party has anything it can do but run a salvage operation.

seriously, actual conservatives get left out in the cold with raving loons like that. better to let them go start their own party and re-build from there.

"they believe in individual liberty? What radical nut jobs! They are so anti-American believing in the whole concept of America and what-not"

their liberty stops at others' noses.

and no, I don't want to live in a world where I can't be served because some freak doesn't like jews.

Dipshit ...let me clue you in on something.

My best friend is Jewish and in the 15 years I have known her she has never once been denied service for being a Jew.

If you are denied service ...it's probably because you are a miserable elitist twat. Not because of your religion.

She didn't say she was denied service for being jewish you dumb bimbo! OMG what a twat you are.

If a restaurant can refuse a gay service, what's to stop them from denying your one jewish friend service?

And this is assuming anyone can tell she's jewish.

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[NYcarbineer]

I could easily be wrong here, but I'm seeing little signs here and there that there are conservatives who are more in a salvage operation than a rescue operation.

In other words, I'm getting the impression that they feel the country is clearly going down a different road, and that the major battle has been lost. What some seem to be doing now is trying to salvage what elements of conservatism they can. But other than that, it's over.

Am I right or wrong?
.

If I had a dollar for every time someone claimed conservatism was dead, I would be a rich man.

What's funny is that it is the left who are on the ropes. This is pendulum that swings back and forth, with Obama it swung to the furthest left extreme, now it is swinging back.

But then, much has to do with how you define "conservative." The gay shit is over.

When's the last time the so-called pendulum swung in the direction of an actual advancement of a major conservative cause?

 

[Uncensored2008]

when so-called conservatives are railing because they can't hang signs on their businesses saying "no blacks, no jews, no gays", in 2016, I don't think the party has anything it can do but run a salvage operation.

seriously, actual conservatives get left out in the cold with raving loons like that. better to let them go start their own party and re-build from there.

Ah, so you Soros hate drones are reduced to absurd lies.

That says a lot about the state of the mindless left.

 

[bendog]

I could easily be wrong here, but I'm seeing little signs here and there that there are conservatives who are more in a salvage operation than a rescue operation.

In other words, I'm getting the impression that they feel the country is clearly going down a different road, and that the major battle has been lost. What some seem to be doing now is trying to salvage what elements of conservatism they can. But other than that, it's over.

Am I right or wrong?
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The original country died in 1865

yeah, damn that whole getting rid of slavery thing.

Federalism. Slavery was the issue, but the original notion of federal-state powers ended at that time.

it didn't end, but the power did shift towards the federal government, and that power only continued to be exploited by progressives to centralize power.

We can still go back to federalism under the current document, but only if our Courts stop making shit up.

We can't ever go back. We'd not have Medicaid under the original view. Even without the Civil War, World Wars forced changes. We just don't have standing armies, we have a standing weapons industry. Social needs forced changes. Soc Sec ... maybe, just possibly. Medicare ..... ok. But no way for Medicaid, not to mention the bizarre fed-state Obamacare structure.

 

[Correll]

I could easily be wrong here, but I'm seeing little signs here and there that there are conservatives who are more in a salvage operation than a rescue operation.

In other words, I'm getting the impression that they feel the country is clearly going down a different road, and that the major battle has been lost. What some seem to be doing now is trying to salvage what elements of conservatism they can. But other than that, it's over.

Am I right or wrong?
.

when so-called conservatives are railing because they can't hang signs on their businesses saying "no blacks, no jews, no gays", in 2016, I don't think the party has anything it can do but run a salvage operation.

seriously, actual conservatives get left out in the cold with raving loons like that. better to let them go start their own party and re-build from there.

"they believe in individual liberty? What radical nut jobs! They are so anti-American believing in the whole concept of America and what-not"

their liberty stops at others' noses.

and no, I don't want to live in a world where I can't be served because some freak doesn't like jews.

How about a world were being qualified isn't good enough if there aren't enough blacks who are qualified first?

Your first qualification should be knowing the difference between "were" and "where."

Hey, grammar nazi!

For you.

 

[Uncensored2008]

free college, appealing to college age students and the parents of college age student's pocketbooks.

Free SHIT for everyone!

Logo for the NEW democratic - socialist party.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I could easily be wrong here, but I'm seeing little signs here and there that there are conservatives who are more in a salvage operation than a rescue operation.

In other words, I'm getting the impression that they feel the country is clearly going down a different road, and that the major battle has been lost. What some seem to be doing now is trying to salvage what elements of conservatism they can. But other than that, it's over.

Am I right or wrong?
.

when so-called conservatives are railing because they can't hang signs on their businesses saying "no blacks, no jews, no gays", in 2016, I don't think the party has anything it can do but run a salvage operation.

seriously, actual conservatives get left out in the cold with raving loons like that. better to let them go start their own party and re-build from there.

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Republicans are like little 4 year old girls throwing a tantrum in the grocery store === laying on the floor === kicking their heels and screaming at the top of their voice === because Mommy won't buy them candy, because they can't make sure the Supreme Court stays packed in their favor.

So you want us to sit back and let Barry appoint a flaming liberal?

What are you? New?

 

[Uncensored2008]

see what I mean Mac1958

If only Corell understood that your's is a thousand year Reich!

 

[Correll]

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I could easily be wrong here, but I'm seeing little signs here and there that there are conservatives who are more in a salvage operation than a rescue operation.

In other words, I'm getting the impression that they feel the country is clearly going down a different road, and that the major battle has been lost. What some seem to be doing now is trying to salvage what elements of conservatism they can. But other than that, it's over.

Am I right or wrong?
.

when so-called conservatives are railing because they can't hang signs on their businesses saying "no blacks, no jews, no gays", in 2016, I don't think the party has anything it can do but run a salvage operation.

seriously, actual conservatives get left out in the cold with raving loons like that. better to let them go start their own party and re-build from there.

if the shoe fits.
i mean this sort of stuff

The Left will ensure that by increasing over reach and abuse of (mostly) White Americans.

is almost always the product of racist white nationalists. is that you?

The lefty pretense that complaining about anti-white discrimination is the same as wanting anti-minority discrimination is noted and dismissed.

And please consider yourself ridiculed in the bargain, you asswipe.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Give up? The GOP shellacked the left in the last election and polls show tight races for 2016...what a bunch of wishful thinking la la land BS

The GOP isn't conservative. They have you parroting rubes bleeving it is, though.

I think we know the majority are RINOs...

 

[Coloradomtnman]

I think the R's had one too many presidential candidates of the same ole same ole in the beginning, also, the R's gaining full control of the House and Senate and still being a ''do nothing Congress has come back to bite them, making Trump stand out, as an outsider, more appealing than normal.

cool. Now explain Bernie.

Easy. Hillary is about as popular with liberals as Nixon was with conservatives in 1960. If Bernie were a woman with charisma - the GOP candidate would be toast in November.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Republicans through gerrymandering completely own a lot of state houses and it's projected it will take years for the Democrats to possibly win back the Federal House.

The top item on that list was to end partisan gerrymandering: "we have to end the practice of drawing our congressional districts so that politicians can pick their voters, and not the other way around," Obama said.
In most states, state legislatures draw the district boundaries that determine how many delegates the state sends to the U.S. Congress, as well as the general partisan make-up of that delegation. State legislatures are partisan beasts, and if one party is in control of the process they can draw boundaries to give themselves a numeric advantage over their opponents in Congress.This process is called gerrymandering.

And is, of course, only bad when THOSE GUYS do it.

And the 31-18-1 advantage Republicans have with Governors is due to gerrymandering as well, right?

I don't get it. Michigan's 2 Senate seats are always Democratic, we always vote Blue for President, and yet sometimes a Republican will win the Governors house. Baffling. Especially in a union state. But the unions fucked themselves 6 years ago when they voted in Snyder. They didn't think he'd do it but he made Michigan a right to work state. The unions deserve what's coming to them.

And Republicans completely own both state houses in Michigan.

Republicans realized a long time ago it was more important to control the state government than it is the federal government. You can get more done on a state level.

The Republicans in Michigan love the pork our Democratic senators bring home for them.

And Progressives realized long ago if you can get the Supreme Court to make crap up, you can ignore winning anything at the State level.

I think it was the GOP that realized 2 justices were going to be retiring so that is why they had to STEAL the 2000 election. They had to get Alito and Roberts on the court. Well this is karma for ya. The most right winger of your Justices just croaked and the timing couldn't have been more perfect. Even if Trump wins and he appoints a conservative, no way the guy will be as conservative as Scalia was.

You do know that most counts show the election going for Bush anyway, right? Regardless of how the final count ended up. Plus Gore lost his own State due to his gun control fetish. Blame his loss on that.

And your condolences for the deceased are noted.

Blame his loss on a perverted system where the guy who loses the vote can win the election.

 

[Uncensored2008]

it's not just law, it's correct.

if you can't obey the law, don't open the damn business.

and like hell you should be able to have all-white Christian establishments.

So Mz. Fakejew, the state should decide who we associate and trade with.

Where did you come up with such a brilliant plan?


Oh, that's right

 

[CowboyTed]

People are tired of not being considered anymore. It isn't about conservatism or liberalism. It is about being an American. BOTH sides are reaching near lunacy. I don't think they care. I mean, I get it. What would be different besides the type of lunacy? Is American focused lunacy worse than corporatism and plutocrats?
I will vote for lunacy over the same old bullshit.

Then can I ask, how can you support anyone who supports Citizen United?

It intention was to make politicians the servants of a narrow elite and not answerable to the people.

 

[sealybobo]

Republicans through gerrymandering completely own a lot of state houses and it's projected it will take years for the Democrats to possibly win back the Federal House.

The top item on that list was to end partisan gerrymandering: "we have to end the practice of drawing our congressional districts so that politicians can pick their voters, and not the other way around," Obama said.
In most states, state legislatures draw the district boundaries that determine how many delegates the state sends to the U.S. Congress, as well as the general partisan make-up of that delegation. State legislatures are partisan beasts, and if one party is in control of the process they can draw boundaries to give themselves a numeric advantage over their opponents in Congress.This process is called gerrymandering.

And is, of course, only bad when THOSE GUYS do it.

And the 31-18-1 advantage Republicans have with Governors is due to gerrymandering as well, right?

I don't get it. Michigan's 2 Senate seats are always Democratic, we always vote Blue for President, and yet sometimes a Republican will win the Governors house. Baffling. Especially in a union state. But the unions fucked themselves 6 years ago when they voted in Snyder. They didn't think he'd do it but he made Michigan a right to work state. The unions deserve what's coming to them.

And Republicans completely own both state houses in Michigan.

Republicans realized a long time ago it was more important to control the state government than it is the federal government. You can get more done on a state level.

The Republicans in Michigan love the pork our Democratic senators bring home for them.

And Progressives realized long ago if you can get the Supreme Court to make crap up, you can ignore winning anything at the State level.

I think it was the GOP that realized 2 justices were going to be retiring so that is why they had to STEAL the 2000 election. They had to get Alito and Roberts on the court. Well this is karma for ya. The most right winger of your Justices just croaked and the timing couldn't have been more perfect. Even if Trump wins and he appoints a conservative, no way the guy will be as conservative as Scalia was.

You do know that most counts show the election going for Bush anyway, right? Regardless of how the final count ended up. Plus Gore lost his own State due to his gun control fetish. Blame his loss on that.

And your condolences for the deceased are noted.

You are dead wrong but that's because you've been listening to the right wing for too long. Republicans have proven they can argue anything. If they can argue they didn't steal 2000 then they can argue anything and the American people are stupid enough to let them get away with it.

Goldwater's Ghost in the Voting Machines?

"If You Want To Win An Election, Just Control The Voting Machines"

Now Your Vote Is The Property Of A Private Corporation

The Theft of Your Vote Is Just a Chip Away

OpEdNews Article: The Ultimate Felony Against Democracy: Privatizing Our Vote

Evidence Mounts That The Vote May Have Been Hacked

'Stinking Evidence' of Possible Election Fraud Found in Florida

 

[Uncensored2008]

When's the last time the so-called pendulum swung in the direction of an actual advancement of a major conservative cause?

2014. Did you miss the elections that kicked you Bolsheviks out of both houses of Congress?

 

[sealybobo]

It’s no accident that 90 percent of Congress is re-elected every time; districts can be carefully drawn to protect incumbents. In Florida, a federal judge ruled that the design of two districts illegally favor sitting politicians, and ordered new maps just weeks before the primary elections. Political editor Domenico Montanaro joins Gwen Ifill for an in-depth explanation.

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