[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[JoeB131]

Abolish the utterly retarded tax system we have now, 20% national sales tax with no loopholes, boom we're done.

THe problem with a Sales Tax is people will find ways to avoid it, and it will discourage the kind of economic activity that creates jobs.

 

[PMZ]

Days like this make posting worthwhile. Those trying to drag America from democracy to plutocracy, and thereby destroy government of, for, and by we, the people clearly have no rational explanation behind their recitals of Rush and Rupert's made for media dogma. They've fallen for it and are amazed that not everybody has.

What are they left with? Only playground insults and childish gossip mongering.

They are lost forever by their closed minds but their behavior in the face of questions tells those with open minds all that they need to know.

These are the people unable to defend what they want shoved down American throats.

Their souls have been purchased lock stock and barrel by those that pay Rush and Rupert billions for their scalps.

Sad in America but undeniably true. Minds bought and sold.

We are not for sale. We are the freest people to ever walk the earth because of our votes. Cult minds can be bought, but free independent thinkers will prevail. Our founding fathers knew that and framed the Constitution that gives us the power of government. They knew that you can fool some of the people some of the time, but truth ultimately prevails.

And it has again.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Incoming. Communism is dead. It turned out that well regulated capitalism doesn't lead to the societal collapse that Communism is based on.

Also. I'm a socialist, you're a socialist, everybody is. There is not a country in the world that doesn't employ socialism in markets where competition isn't practical.

In fact, I doubt if the same isn't true of capitalism. It's pervasive in market's where competition can be maintained. And it can be regulated.

So, you'll have to think of other epithets.

How 'bout "poopy head"?

I suppose the basis for you stating "we are all socialists" is based on the tired mantra of "police ,fire protection and highways are forms of socialism"
Sell that bullshit to someone else.

Clearly you are unable to learn it.

That is YOUR interpretation. It's wrong, but it is yours.
Claiming these essential functions of government are socialism allows you to hide in your little cocoon of complacency.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Abolish the utterly retarded tax system we have now, 20% national sales tax with no loopholes, boom we're done.

THe problem with a Sales Tax is people will find ways to avoid it, and it will discourage the kind of economic activity that creates jobs.

Taxation has nothing to do with creating jobs in the private sector. Well actually, that is incorrect.
If the federal government would lower the corp income tax to a level that would put the US on a level playing field with the rest of the industrialized world, businesses would locate here and THAT would create more jobs.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Clear that you have limited education.

Marx and Engles, both respected economists, theorized that capitalism could not be effectively regulated, would inevitably result in wealth distribution unacceptable to society, and would result in a revolution not unlike our former one, but against our government instead of King George. Further they theorized that after the revolution the majority would react to their experience by going to the opposite extreme of capitalism.

It turns out that so far we, and other countries, have successfully regulated capitalism, and, at least up until now, avoided extreme wealth distribution. Good for us. No revolution.

Show us how to employ competition among multiple privately owned militaries.

If you knew what socialism is, you wouldn't be phobic about it.

>> Clear that you have limited education.
Everyone has a limited education. In my experience the people who resort to claiming that others of a conversation only disagree with their pov because they have a limited education, are typically shining examples of what engineers like to call dim light bulbs. Yes, I'm an engineer.

>> "Marx and Engles, both respected economists"

OMG someone get me a barf bag, I'm gonna puke.

>> Show us how to employ competition among multiple privately owned militaries.
You mean like the contractors that are working for corporations that get paid by our DOD? Basically competition for contract employees works by first submitting a request for bid for the job(s). Capitalist thinking employees and corporations having employees then submit their offer to do the job(s). The government employees, who are getting paid by the citizens of this nation, then select the bids that appear to be the best bang for the buck. Any other questions?

>>> Phobic about socialism?
I do intend to fight socialism to my last breath. If that makes me anti-socialist or phobic in your view with regard to all socialist designs, then so be it. Why are you phobic to freedom? Are you afraid no one would pay you a wage if you loose these vestiges of socialism?

"I do intend to fight socialism to my last breath"

Let's count the things that you will have to change to privately owned competitive means.

The military.

Medicare and Medicaid.

Social Security.

The VA.

NASA.

The FBI

The CIA.

The NSA

Homeland Security.

The CDC.

The FAA including all us airspace traffic control.

NOAA.

The Coast Guard.

The NTSB.

The IRS

The FCC.

The FDA.

The National Park Service.

The Federal Court System.

The Interstate Highway System.

Only a partial list but you better start moving if you are going to turn all of those into multiple competitive privately owned, make more money regardless of the cost to others, capitalism.

Most of these things should never have been functions of government.
NASA was killed by Obama. We now have no government space program. It will eventually and not far off, will be run by private industry.
Dept of Homeland security. A huge waste of money. The FBI should handle this along with the armed forces. We should take one third of our ground troops from their posts around the world and put them on our borders ,airports and seaports. Get rid of the TSA and all the other people in that dept.
The CDCP can be run better by the private sector at half the cost and produce twice as much. There would be no political stonewalling regarding emergencies and such
The National Weather Service could easily be privatized Oh, you forgot that billion dollar per year loser AMTRAK....That should be defunded and sold off to private enterprise.
The Coast Guard...Essential function of government. Part of our national defense. NIce try though.
The FDA as is the Dept of Energy and the EPA are subject to the whims of the executive branch. These departments are political to their very core. Dump them.
The National Park system is unnecessary. The States can do this job just as well. And probably at a much lower cost.
Federal Courts. Another essential function of government. Nice try again. Oh, also mandated in the US Constitution. Real nice try.
The FCC is not needed. We don't have state tv or radio. The federal government has no business monopolizing and doling out spectrum as though it were picking winners and losers. Again, another dept that is run by political concerns.
The Interstate System. This is a concept. The multilane, limited access highways are all run by the states through which they are routed. The states simply apply for federal funding or grants every time a pot hole needs to be fixed.
As a matter of fact, many states are turning to new ideas on how to fund road construction and maintenance. The one most talked about is placing tolls on the roads and then selling the roads to private interests with certain conditions attached.

 

[TemplarKormac]

What BB suggested sounds eerily similar to the FAIR TAX.

 

[JoeB131]

Abolish the utterly retarded tax system we have now, 20% national sales tax with no loopholes, boom we're done.

THe problem with a Sales Tax is people will find ways to avoid it, and it will discourage the kind of economic activity that creates jobs.

Taxation has nothing to do with creating jobs in the private sector. Well actually, that is incorrect.
If the federal government would lower the corp income tax to a level that would put the US on a level playing field with the rest of the industrialized world, businesses would locate here and THAT would create more jobs.

Actually, our corporate taxes are pretty low compared to the rest of the world, as are our income taxes on the very wealthy.

We tried the Supply Side Bullshit several times. It failed.

 

[ilia25]

I advocate for free markets, flat taxes and private property. All of which are polar opposites of socialist ideologies.

Nobody here is against the market based economy or private property. And you'd be surprised to learn that with flat taxes most of tax revenue would still come from the very rich (I'm guessing the top 5%).

 

[Uncensored2008]

Rupert Murdoch owns you.

Is that what George Soros trained you to say, Jake?

 

[ilia25]

An absolute democracy, which you people believe the US to be, is when at ALL times 50% plus one rules and there is no redress.

Us people believe that the US is a representative democracy. Which is still a democracy in a sense that majority of voters will eventually get what they want from the government. Including taxing the rich more.

 

[ilia25]

Hmmm, PMZ joined May of 2013...

When did JakeMatters get permabanned?

Naw, Jake was still posting less than a week ago.

Without specifying who--we are not allowed to speak of the banned--I suspect several here are intentional plants, volunteer or paid, to intentionally deflect from certain topics, derail threads, disrupt as much as possible. In the past year I have had discussions with some who were doing that and wondered if I would be interested?

Feeble (or ignorant) minds tend to invent conspiracy theories to explain things beyond their ability to understand.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Clearly Somalia is another topic that you are nearly totally ignorant about.

Clearly the fact that you are a fucking retard is the key fact here.

You have zero knowledge and spew the idiocy you have shoved up your ass by the hate sites.

{The text is somewhat an exact duplicate of Ethiopia’s 1994 draft paper and was in the making for eight years. The similarities are very striking apart from the fact that Somalia has declared Sharia Law as its main source of legislation in the new constitution.}

Somalia adopts Ethiopia?s federal constitution with Sharia Law*|*Somalilandpress.com | Somali News Online from Somaliland ? Somalia and Horn of Africa

You stupid, stupid fucktard - Jake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factions_in_the_Somali_Civil_War

We'll have to start keeping a list.

You really do think that truth is whatever you want it to be. That you're entitled to that.

Here's what that attititude gets you. Permanent ignorance. No way out.

Who is "we," Jake? You fucking retard.

 

[RKMBrown]

Clearly Somalia is another topic that you are nearly totally ignorant about.

Clearly the fact that you are a fucking retard is the key fact here.

You have zero knowledge and spew the idiocy you have shoved up your ass by the hate sites.

{The text is somewhat an exact duplicate of Ethiopia’s 1994 draft paper and was in the making for eight years. The similarities are very striking apart from the fact that Somalia has declared Sharia Law as its main source of legislation in the new constitution.}

Somalia adopts Ethiopia?s federal constitution with Sharia Law*|*Somalilandpress.com | Somali News Online from Somaliland ? Somalia and Horn of Africa

You stupid, stupid fucktard - Jake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factions_in_the_Somali_Civil_War

We'll have to start keeping a list.

You really do think that truth is whatever you want it to be. That you're entitled to that.

Here's what that attititude gets you. Permanent ignorance. No way out.

Who is "we," Jake? You fucking retard.

Rage, it's not just for breakfast.

 

[Uncensored2008]

That is YOUR interpretation. It's wrong, but it is yours.
Claiming these essential functions of government are socialism allows you to hide in your little cocoon of complacency.

That's our Jakematters; uneducated, ignorant, stupid as a fucking slab of concrete - and proud of it.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Actually, our corporate taxes are pretty low compared to the rest of the world, as are our income taxes on the very wealthy.

We tried the Supply Side Bullshit several times. It failed.

Actually, you're a fucking retard; Comrade JoeB Stalin;

Highest in the world - fucktard.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Rage, it's not just for breakfast.

Jake brings out the best in me!

He has always had a schtick of posting completely stupid falsehoods - just absurd idiocy - then screaming about how he is right.

It's a special kind of retardation.

 

[RKMBrown]

Rage, it's not just for breakfast.

Jake brings out the best in me!

He has always had a schtick of posting completely stupid falsehoods - just absurd idiocy - then screaming about how he is right.

It's a special kind of retardation.

>>> Jake brings out the best in me!

Isn't the point of a Troll to enrage as many folks as possible with the least amount of effort? FYI: Most trolls keep score and brag about their success in PMs and other social sites. Are you really trying to run up his score?

 

[kaz]

Actually, our corporate taxes are pretty low compared to the rest of the world

The highest corporate tax rates in the industrialized world is "fairly low." Only to you comrade. We're just lucky you let us keep anything at all...

 

[Uncensored2008]

>>> Jake brings out the best in me!

Isn't the point of a Troll to enrage as many folks as possible with the least amount of effort? FYI: Most trolls keep score and brag about their success in PMs and other social sites. Are you really trying to run up his score?

Nah, I'm just trying to humiliate him - which I think I did pretty well.

 

[DiamondDave]

THe problem with a Sales Tax is people will find ways to avoid it, and it will discourage the kind of economic activity that creates jobs.

Taxation has nothing to do with creating jobs in the private sector. Well actually, that is incorrect.
If the federal government would lower the corp income tax to a level that would put the US on a level playing field with the rest of the industrialized world, businesses would locate here and THAT would create more jobs.

Actually, our corporate taxes are pretty low compared to the rest of the world, as are our income taxes on the very wealthy.

We tried the Supply Side Bullshit several times. It failed.

100% flat out false