[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[Uncensored2008]

100% flat out false

Bolsheviks lie.

 

[PMZ]

I suppose the basis for you stating "we are all socialists" is based on the tired mantra of "police ,fire protection and highways are forms of socialism"
Sell that bullshit to someone else.

Clearly you are unable to learn it.

That is YOUR interpretation. It's wrong, but it is yours.
Claiming these essential functions of government are socialism allows you to hide in your little cocoon of complacency.

No matter what you'd like to be true, socialism is an economic system whereby the means of production are owned by everybody, compared to capitalism where they are owned by fewer people, down to one.

If that's not the correct word that describes whatever you are bitching about, find the right one. You are not going to change our language to suit your agenda.

 

[PMZ]

Hmmm, PMZ joined May of 2013...

When did JakeMatters get permabanned?

Naw, Jake was still posting less than a week ago.

Without specifying who--we are not allowed to speak of the banned--I suspect several here are intentional plants, volunteer or paid, to intentionally deflect from certain topics, derail threads, disrupt as much as possible. In the past year I have had discussions with some who were doing that and wondered if I would be interested?

Makes sense though doesn't it? The internet is the one area that partisan groups, political parties, and the government has not been able to control. And we seem to be a key driving force of what is deemed newsworthy when the mainstream media won't touch it.

For instance the scientists who are now looking at a possible global cooling trend are not finding a ready market for publication of their research because such a notion is so politically incorrect and so counterproductive to government ambitions to continue their power and control grab. But enough are being heard/published to get my attention and I want more information.

Wouldn't it make sense for the paid or appointed thread derailers to not want such a concept to gain any traction on this or other message boards?

Yeah, but I come from a board that was trafficked only by hobbyist wood workers... we had plenty of folk like PMS around. I doubt the parties have that many folks in their employ. There are plenty of folk who merely route for their side to be a good member of their choosen team. The ole it's us vs them at a ball game syndrome. We fight for our team irregardless, it's a genetic defense mechanism.

This, from a member of the conservative media cult. Unbelievable.

 

[RKMBrown]

Naw, Jake was still posting less than a week ago.

Without specifying who--we are not allowed to speak of the banned--I suspect several here are intentional plants, volunteer or paid, to intentionally deflect from certain topics, derail threads, disrupt as much as possible. In the past year I have had discussions with some who were doing that and wondered if I would be interested?

Makes sense though doesn't it? The internet is the one area that partisan groups, political parties, and the government has not been able to control. And we seem to be a key driving force of what is deemed newsworthy when the mainstream media won't touch it.

For instance the scientists who are now looking at a possible global cooling trend are not finding a ready market for publication of their research because such a notion is so politically incorrect and so counterproductive to government ambitions to continue their power and control grab. But enough are being heard/published to get my attention and I want more information.

Wouldn't it make sense for the paid or appointed thread derailers to not want such a concept to gain any traction on this or other message boards?

Yeah, but I come from a board that was trafficked only by hobbyist wood workers... we had plenty of folk like PMS around. I doubt the parties have that many folks in their employ. There are plenty of folk who merely route for their side to be a good member of their choosen team. The ole it's us vs them at a ball game syndrome. We fight for our team irregardless, it's a genetic defense mechanism.

This, from a member of the conservative media cult. Unbelievable.

Huh? Are you off your meds again?

 

[PMZ]

Abolish the utterly retarded tax system we have now, 20% national sales tax with no loopholes, boom we're done.

THe problem with a Sales Tax is people will find ways to avoid it, and it will discourage the kind of economic activity that creates jobs.

Taxation has nothing to do with creating jobs in the private sector. Well actually, that is incorrect.
If the federal government would lower the corp income tax to a level that would put the US on a level playing field with the rest of the industrialized world, businesses would locate here and THAT would create more jobs.

We're already there. It's the states that are above average. And the Republican debt.

 

[kaz]

If that's not the correct word that describes whatever you are bitching about, find the right one. You are not going to change our language to suit your agenda.

 

[RKMBrown]

Clearly you are unable to learn it.

That is YOUR interpretation. It's wrong, but it is yours.
Claiming these essential functions of government are socialism allows you to hide in your little cocoon of complacency.

No matter what you'd like to be true, socialism is an economic system whereby the means of production are owned by everybody, compared to capitalism where they are owned by fewer people, down to one.

If that's not the correct word that describes whatever you are bitching about, find the right one. You are not going to change our language to suit your agenda.

"Socialism is an economic system whereby the means of production are owned by everybody?"

"Capitalism is where they are owned by fewer people, down to one?"

What the freaking hell are you talking about? No one can be this dumb, no one.

 

[DiamondDave]

This guy is on a TDM level of stupidity

 

[PMZ]

I advocate for free markets, flat taxes and private property. All of which are polar opposites of socialist ideologies.

Nobody here is against the market based economy or private property. And you'd be surprised to learn that with flat taxes most of tax revenue would still come from the very rich (I'm guessing the top 5%).

All of the alternative tax systems that I've seen have the same goal. Tax the poor and middle class more and the wealthy less. Why? They are all sponsored and advertised by the wealthy in their relentless push to replace democracy with plutocracy.

 

[PMZ]

Yeah, but I come from a board that was trafficked only by hobbyist wood workers... we had plenty of folk like PMS around. I doubt the parties have that many folks in their employ. There are plenty of folk who merely route for their side to be a good member of their choosen team. The ole it's us vs them at a ball game syndrome. We fight for our team irregardless, it's a genetic defense mechanism.

This, from a member of the conservative media cult. Unbelievable.

Huh? Are you off your meds again?

A typical conservative media cult denial. Proof that the cult appeals to mostly developmental 3ird graders.

 

[kaz]

All of the alternative tax systems that I've seen have the same goal. Tax the poor and middle class more and the wealthy less. Why?

Today, the top 1% of taxpayers pay 40% of all income taxes, the top 5% pay 60% of all income taxes, and the bottom 50% pay zero.

They are all sponsored and advertised by the wealthy in their relentless push to replace democracy with plutocracy.

That may be our objective, but we're not getting very far with it are we? Did you see the stats above? They come from the IRS by the way, and by taxpayers, that means that people who earn too little to file aren't counted, which means as a percentage of AMERICANS it's even more skewed than that.

I have a question for you. So let's take the IRS stat that the top 1% of all earners pay 40% of all taxes. What would you guess the percent of all income they earn is. According to the IRS.

 

[RKMBrown]

I advocate for free markets, flat taxes and private property. All of which are polar opposites of socialist ideologies.

Nobody here is against the market based economy or private property. And you'd be surprised to learn that with flat taxes most of tax revenue would still come from the very rich (I'm guessing the top 5%).

All of the alternative tax systems that I've seen have the same goal. Tax the poor and middle class more and the wealthy less. Why? They are all sponsored and advertised by the wealthy in their relentless push to replace democracy with plutocracy.

So you should get everything for free and the stupid working class should pay for you to sit on your fat ass.

 

[PMZ]

This guy is on a TDM level of stupidity

"A pure Democracy is NOT Democracy."

Yeabut, is up still up? Down still down?

The conservative media cult has a great deal of trouble with English as they believe themselves entitled to their own definitions.

Newspeak.

 

[kaz]

All of the alternative tax systems that I've seen have the same goal. Tax the poor and middle class more and the wealthy less. Why? They are all sponsored and advertised by the wealthy in their relentless push to replace democracy with plutocracy.

So you should get everything for free and the stupid working class should pay for you to sit on your fat ass.

You think you're insulting him, but that's actually his objective. I've walked into that trap myself before...

 

[RKMBrown]

This, from a member of the conservative media cult. Unbelievable.

Huh? Are you off your meds again?

A typical conservative media cult denial. Proof that the cult appeals to mostly developmental 3ird graders.

Look, whether or not I've ever listened to conservative media has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not people defend their chosen group.

That you think my comment has ANYTHING to do with conservative media is so completely out of left field so as to be worthy of a comment from the computer program eliza. You are not even being semi-coherent in your responses. Can you not understand basic English? Is English not your first language? If not then ok that might explain why your comments are sooooo whacky.

 

[PMZ]

Nobody here is against the market based economy or private property. And you'd be surprised to learn that with flat taxes most of tax revenue would still come from the very rich (I'm guessing the top 5%).

All of the alternative tax systems that I've seen have the same goal. Tax the poor and middle class more and the wealthy less. Why? They are all sponsored and advertised by the wealthy in their relentless push to replace democracy with plutocracy.

So you should get everything for free and the stupid working class should pay for you to sit on your fat ass.

I am the middle class. The people who don't have to work are the wealthy. The people who can't work because conservatism gave all of their jobs away are the poor. The people sitting on their fat asses are the media cult conservatives getting their daily dose of what to think.

 

[kaz]

I am the middle class. The people who don't have to work are the wealthy. The people who can't work because conservatism gave all of their jobs away are the poor. The people sitting on their fat asses are the media cult conservatives getting their daily dose of what to think.

Funny stuff. You haven't had a real job have you? So let me tell you my experience.

- I'm the company owner, my car is in the lot more than anyone.
- My managers and senior staff are here not as much but late and sometimes on the weekend.
- The hourly's are out the door two minutes after their shifts end.

But I don't work! LOL!

 

[PMZ]

100% flat out false

Bolsheviks lie.

Now here's a current national threat. The Bolsheviks. Right up there with the monster in the closet.

 

[RKMBrown]

All of the alternative tax systems that I've seen have the same goal. Tax the poor and middle class more and the wealthy less. Why? They are all sponsored and advertised by the wealthy in their relentless push to replace democracy with plutocracy.

So you should get everything for free and the stupid working class should pay for you to sit on your fat ass.

You think you're insulting him, but that's actually his objective. I've walked into that trap myself before...

Yeah I figured... amazing that society has devolved to allow these lower life forms to propagate and even thrive.

 

[PMZ]

I am the middle class. The people who don't have to work are the wealthy. The people who can't work because conservatism gave all of their jobs away are the poor. The people sitting on their fat asses are the media cult conservatives getting their daily dose of what to think.

Funny stuff. You haven't had a real job have you? So let me tell you my experience.

- I'm the company owner, my car is in the lot more than anyone.
- My managers and senior staff are here not as much but late and sometimes on the weekend.
- The hourly's are out the door two minutes after their shifts end.

But I don't work! LOL!

You live your life as you choose. The poor don't. The fact that you have no friends or family is and has been your choice.

I worked from 12 to retirement. I know what it is to create wealth. I didn't have to depend on others to do that for me.