[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[johnwk]

Thus the importance of the Ammendments that took the founders aristocracy of wealthy white males, to a full representative democracy.

As long as we avoid having a monarch we will remain a republic.

Your post makes no sense to me. You will have to explain your assertions in clear language.


JWK

I did.

The Founders designed an aristocracy in the fashion of their times. Only white wealthy males voted.

Your above post tells me you are either intentionally lying or do not know that blacks not only voted, but held office when our country was founded.


JWK

 

[PMZ]

Capitalism is when the means of production are privately owned.

And privately controlled.

Mussolini took the approach of "owning the owners," which still resulted in a command economy.

If you own, say a factory building, you are free to do as you want with it. However, no business or corporation owns their employees as that would be slavery. They stay or leave on their own volition.

 

[PMZ]

Capitalism is when the means of production are privately owned.

And privately controlled.

Mussolini took the approach of "owning the owners," which still resulted in a command economy.

I see your banishment has ended. I imagine it was for giving PMS a good dose of what he deserves.

And you thought that there are no consequences for being a jerk.

 

[PMZ]

Your post makes no sense to me. You will have to explain your assertions in clear language.


JWK

I did.

The Founders designed an aristocracy in the fashion of their times. Only white wealthy males voted.

Your above post tells me you are either intentionally lying or do not know that blacks not only voted, but held office when our country was founded.


JWK

A handful.

 

[johnwk]

You don't want to pay for any of the amenities of society that have been proven beneficial over time.

Before government took over there were volunteer firefighters, some small towns were able to keep them like the one I live in. We don't pay fire protection taxes and our firefighters don't get paid. You speak about the amenities of society as if they are most beneficial in their current form with no better alternatives, and I'm afraid you are misguided.

Joe called me a moron, but he only proved that he's one. He thinks private fire protection services don't exist. He also equate opposition to being force to pay for the government brand as a desire not to want the product at all.

It takes a special kind of stupid to be a liberal.

They are not “liberals”. They are conniving Marxist parasites who use the cloak of government force to steal the wealth which wage earners, business and investors have worked to create



JWK


The liberty to fail or succeed at one’s own hand is a PROGRESSIVE‘S nightmare and not the American Dream

 

[bripat9643]

ROFL! No we don't. You're resorting to the ethics of Guido the Leg Breaker again.



Sorry, but my fair share of expenses that I haven't agreed to is zero. That's how legal contracts work. Simply benefiting from something someone else has done doesn't obligate me to do jack squat. I benefit from the existence of the gas station on the corner. Does that mean it's entitled to collect a payment from me whether I guy gas or not? I benefit from the invention of the light bulb. Does that mean I'm obligated to make payments to the heirs of Thomas Edison?

The question here is whether government is justified in extracting wealth from my hide at gunpoint to provide "benefits" that I haven't asked for or want. Every principle of law says "no." You are only obligated to pay for what you have agreed to pay for.

Can't agree more, however, as a citizen of this country I am willing to pay for common defense, judicial expense, basic governmental expense to protect my freedom and security, and maintenance of state owned land. As for being a resident of a state I would be willing to pay the state for maintenance of the highway's, roads, police protection, education of our youth from grade 1 thru 12, water/ sewer, and fire protection.
One fact remains, the definition of a liberal is one who has their hand on your wallet for their benefit at your expense.

"One fact remains, the definition of a liberal is one who has their hand on your wallet for their benefit at your expense."

Simply what you wish was true.

A liberal is one who is open to all solutions. A conservative is one who's afraid of all problems.

Wrong. The liberal dictionary defines a "solution" as a government program. Without a government program, it isn't a solution. Just consider the healthcare debate. Turds like you are always asking what the "conservative" solution to healthcare is. When they say allowing the market to work, liberals claim that's not a solution.

 

[bripat9643]

Not at all.

Why can't you answer my question?

Probably for the same reason he still hasn't answered mine.

I find the concept of someone hating everything about the country that they choose (and in these days and times it is a choice) to live in simply baffling.

Where did I say I hate everything about the country? However, I do despise the government, and I certainly despise Congress. What intelligent person wouldn't despise Congress?

 

[bripat9643]

You don't want to pay for any of the amenities of society that have been proven beneficial over time.

Before government took over there were volunteer firefighters, some small towns were able to keep them like the one I live in. We don't pay fire protection taxes and our firefighters don't get paid. You speak about the amenities of society as if they are most beneficial in their current form with no better alternatives, and I'm afraid you are misguided.

But the means of production are always owned by the community. Very socialist.

Nope. There are privately owned fired protection services. A voluntary fire department is not "socialist" because the government doesn't run it. "socialist" means run by the monopoly on the use of force., ie, the government.

But, on the other hand, how would you like to be standing there, watching your house burn, while getting quotes from competing privately owned fire businesses?

You pay for fire protection before the house catches on fire, nimrod. I doubt you'll find a bank that will give you a mortgage when you don't have fire protection.

It's amazing how stupid liberals think everyone is. Evidently, they aren't as stupid as liberals because other people manage to find solutions to problems that liberals are incapable of devising.

 

[bripat9643]

It sure is.



Sounds like taxes to me.

Notice that your definition doesn't make any claims that it must be defined by law.

A crime is breaking the law. What you're talking about is a moral and ethical judgement.

ROFL! Yeah, right. Shoving Jews into gas ovens wasn't criminal.

1. An act committed or omitted in violation of a law forbidding or commanding it and for which punishment is imposed upon conviction.
2. Unlawful activity: statistics relating to violent crime.
3. A serious offense, especially one in violation of morality.
4. An unjust, senseless, or disgraceful act or condition: It's a crime to squander our country's natural resources.

Notice that definitions 2 and 3 do not mention the law.

Is there anything you know that is actually true?

 

[bripat9643]

Before government took over there were volunteer firefighters, some small towns were able to keep them like the one I live in. We don't pay fire protection taxes and our firefighters don't get paid. You speak about the amenities of society as if they are most beneficial in their current form with no better alternatives, and I'm afraid you are misguided.

Joe called me a moron, but he only proved that he's one. He thinks private fire protection services don't exist. He also equate opposition to being force to pay for the government brand as a desire not to want the product at all.

It takes a special kind of stupid to be a liberal.

It takes a special kind of stupid to promote obscenities doled out by children.

"obscenities?" You mean like "shag?"

 

[PMZ]

Can't agree more, however, as a citizen of this country I am willing to pay for common defense, judicial expense, basic governmental expense to protect my freedom and security, and maintenance of state owned land. As for being a resident of a state I would be willing to pay the state for maintenance of the highway's, roads, police protection, education of our youth from grade 1 thru 12, water/ sewer, and fire protection.
One fact remains, the definition of a liberal is one who has their hand on your wallet for their benefit at your expense.

"One fact remains, the definition of a liberal is one who has their hand on your wallet for their benefit at your expense."

Simply what you wish was true.

A liberal is one who is open to all solutions. A conservative is one who's afraid of all problems.

Wrong. The liberal dictionary defines a "solution" as a government program. Without a government program, it isn't a solution. Just consider the healthcare debate. Turds like you are always asking what the "conservative" solution to healthcare is. When they say allowing the market to work, liberals claim that's not a solution.

Conservatives are scared of all problems because they have only one solution. Do nothing and hope that someone else solves the problem.

Is that what you tell employees to do?

 

[bripat9643]

Capitalism is when the means of production are privately owned.

And privately controlled.

Mussolini took the approach of "owning the owners," which still resulted in a command economy.

If you own, say a factory building, you are free to do as you want with it. However, no business or corporation owns their employees as that would be slavery. They stay or leave on their own volition.

What does that have to do with Mussolini?

 

[bripat9643]

And privately controlled.

Mussolini took the approach of "owning the owners," which still resulted in a command economy.

I see your banishment has ended. I imagine it was for giving PMS a good dose of what he deserves.

And you thought that there are no consequences for being a jerk.

It doesn't appear that you have suffered for it.

 

[bripat9643]

"One fact remains, the definition of a liberal is one who has their hand on your wallet for their benefit at your expense."

Simply what you wish was true.

A liberal is one who is open to all solutions. A conservative is one who's afraid of all problems.

Wrong. The liberal dictionary defines a "solution" as a government program. Without a government program, it isn't a solution. Just consider the healthcare debate. Turds like you are always asking what the "conservative" solution to healthcare is. When they say allowing the market to work, liberals claim that's not a solution.

Conservatives are scared of all problems because they have only one solution. Do nothing and hope that someone else solves the problem.

Is that what you tell employees to do?

Almost all of the "problems" liberals are always moaning about are either
#1 Not solvable.
or
#2 Not as bad as the liberal "solution"

That is the sad record of all their "solutions."

Social Security is bankrupt
Medicare is bankrupt.
Welfare causes illegitimacy and crime.
Regulatory agencies are always captured by the corporations they regulate.
Regulatory agencies are unable to stop imposing new regulations
Democracy is corrupt.
Government "investment" always goes to political cronies.

Yada,
Yada,
Yada . . . . . .

 

[PMZ]

And privately controlled.

Mussolini took the approach of "owning the owners," which still resulted in a command economy.

If you own, say a factory building, you are free to do as you want with it. However, no business or corporation owns their employees as that would be slavery. They stay or leave on their own volition.

What does that have to do with Mussolini?

What does Mussolini have to do with anything?

 

[PMZ]

Wrong. The liberal dictionary defines a "solution" as a government program. Without a government program, it isn't a solution. Just consider the healthcare debate. Turds like you are always asking what the "conservative" solution to healthcare is. When they say allowing the market to work, liberals claim that's not a solution.

Conservatives are scared of all problems because they have only one solution. Do nothing and hope that someone else solves the problem.

Is that what you tell employees to do?

Almost all of the "problems" liberals are always moaning about are either
#1 Not solvable.
or
#2 Not as bad as the liberal "solution"

That is the sad record of all their "solutions."

Social Security is bankrupt
Medicare is bankrupt.
Welfare causes illegitimacy and crime.
Regulatory agencies are always captured by the corporations they regulate.
Regulatory agencies are unable to stop imposing new regulations
Democracy is corrupt.
Government "investment" always goes to political cronies.

Yada,
Yada,
Yada . . . . . .

Proof positive of "A liberal is one who is open to all solutions. A conservative is one who's afraid of all problems."


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[orogenicman]

Joe called me a moron, but he only proved that he's one. He thinks private fire protection services don't exist. He also equate opposition to being force to pay for the government brand as a desire not to want the product at all.

It takes a special kind of stupid to be a liberal.

It takes a special kind of stupid to promote obscenities doled out by children.

"obscenities?" You mean like "shag?"

No. Obscenities like this:

 

[bripat9643]

If you own, say a factory building, you are free to do as you want with it. However, no business or corporation owns their employees as that would be slavery. They stay or leave on their own volition.

What does that have to do with Mussolini?

What does Mussolini have to do with anything?

He invented the economic system you favor.

 

[bripat9643]

It takes a special kind of stupid to promote obscenities doled out by children.

"obscenities?" You mean like "shag?"

No. Obscenities like this:

How is that "stupid?" It's just a picture. It may be photoshopped, for all I know.

 

[orogenicman]

What does that have to do with Mussolini?

What does Mussolini have to do with anything?

He invented the economic system you favor.

Bullshite.