[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[kaz]

What is the owner of the means of production that the workers create wealth using accountable for and to whom?

You need to get to the Emergency room you are just babbling. Probably about to have a stroke. Workers work to earn income, normally they get paid for their work. Owners hire people to work for them for a wage. They pay for that wage using their own money and/or money they get from customers.

The customers are the workers.

Simple formula. Charge the customers as much as possible, pay the same people as workers as little as possible, pocket the difference.

Liberals really should shut you up so you stop embarrassing them.

A customer is someone who PURCHASES products from a business.

Workers ARE PAID by the business.

 

[PMZ]

Workers are paid the minimum that corporations, following their one rule, make more money regardless of the cost to others, can get away with.

Conversely, employees try to get as much money of the employers as they can get away with. It's called negotiation.

The exceptions are executives who are freed of accountability and payed by their friends as much as the corporation can get away with.

Then the consumer has only to blame themselves. Accountability of the business is their job in a free market economy.

Our government is supposed to break up monopolies, oligopolies, and ensure the markets are fair for the consumers. In this case a great majority of corporations are set up such that the owners of the companies (stock holders) are not given authority to set executive salaries, nay, it is the Executives themselves that set their own salaries for the entire executive chain.. It's a bit odd and more than a small problem.

' the owners of the companies (stock holders)''

Have you really fallen for this myth?

 

[RKMBrown]

Workers are paid the minimum that corporations, following their one rule, make more money regardless of the cost to others, can get away with.

The exceptions are executives who are freed of accountability and payed by their friends as much as the corporation can get away with.

>>> Workers are paid the minimum that corporations, following their one rule, make more money regardless of the cost to others, can get away with.

Why don't you start a business and pay workers the maximum that you can up to and including selling everything you have and taking no salary whatsoever?

>>> The exceptions are executives who are freed of accountability and payed by their friends as much as the corporation can get away with.

Where is the democrat party on this? When do they plan to set all executive salaries? Point me to one party plank of theirs that says how they will fix the Executive Oligopoly over Executive salaries. They held all three branches of government and did nothing about it. NOTHING

Another good Republican recital. If you see a problem, treat it exactly like you would dog shit. Go around it. Avoid it at all costs. Humans, except for the Fox Cult, are incapable of solving problems. And the Fox Cult are absolved from responsibility and accountability because they're aristocracy.

Blame it on the people.

Why work for someone who does not want to pay you what you think you are worth? Oh I see, you are saying no one should own a business in this country, NO ONE, or if they do governments should tell them what they have to pay people. So not only are you incapable of independent thought you need government to hold a gun to the head of owners and force them to pay you what you want just like you want government to put a gun to the head of the rich to force them to give you bonus checks based on the popular vote. What a puny, weak minded, piece of shit you are.

 

[PMZ]

Tyranny is defined as minority rule.

Damn, if you're trying to make liberals look stupid, you're doing an excellent job, my man. Continuing to make up word definitions when, hello, you have a browser.

The extreme of tyranny has always been a dictatorship. Minority?

More typically nowadays, it's a ruling party. Remember Communism? Minority?

Can you give us an example of an actual tyrannical government that's not minority rule?

That’s why we're a democracy. Majority rule.

Not rocket science.

 

[PMZ]

You need to get to the Emergency room you are just babbling. Probably about to have a stroke. Workers work to earn income, normally they get paid for their work. Owners hire people to work for them for a wage. They pay for that wage using their own money and/or money they get from customers.

The customers are the workers.

Simple formula. Charge the customers as much as possible, pay the same people as workers as little as possible, pocket the difference.

Liberals really should shut you up so you stop embarrassing them.

A customer is someone who PURCHASES products from a business.

Workers ARE PAID by the business.

Right.

 

[PMZ]

>>> Workers are paid the minimum that corporations, following their one rule, make more money regardless of the cost to others, can get away with.

Why don't you start a business and pay workers the maximum that you can up to and including selling everything you have and taking no salary whatsoever?

>>> The exceptions are executives who are freed of accountability and payed by their friends as much as the corporation can get away with.

Where is the democrat party on this? When do they plan to set all executive salaries? Point me to one party plank of theirs that says how they will fix the Executive Oligopoly over Executive salaries. They held all three branches of government and did nothing about it. NOTHING

Another good Republican recital. If you see a problem, treat it exactly like you would dog shit. Go around it. Avoid it at all costs. Humans, except for the Fox Cult, are incapable of solving problems. And the Fox Cult are absolved from responsibility and accountability because they're aristocracy.

Blame it on the people.

Why work for someone who does not want to pay you what you think you are worth? Oh I see, you are saying no one should own a business in this country, NO ONE, or if they do governments should tell them what they have to pay people. So not only are you incapable of independent thought you need government to hold a gun to the head of owners and force them to pay you what you want just like you want government to put a gun to the head of the rich to force them to give you bonus checks based on the popular vote. What a puny, weak minded, piece of shit you are.

Another great Republican propaganda recital completely devoid of original thought.

Instead of thinking and speaking for yourself, think and speak for all of the scapegoats that Fox told you about.

You can make them exactly like Fox told you they were.

 

[kaz]

Can you give us an example of an actual tyrannical government that's not minority rule?

The Obama administration

 

[kaz]

The customers are the workers.

Simple formula. Charge the customers as much as possible, pay the same people as workers as little as possible, pocket the difference.

Liberals really should shut you up so you stop embarrassing them.

A customer is someone who PURCHASES products from a business.

Workers ARE PAID by the business.

Right.

Can you clarify which part you didn't know?

 

[RKMBrown]

Conversely, employees try to get as much money of the employers as they can get away with. It's called negotiation.



Then the consumer has only to blame themselves. Accountability of the business is their job in a free market economy.

Our government is supposed to break up monopolies, oligopolies, and ensure the markets are fair for the consumers. In this case a great majority of corporations are set up such that the owners of the companies (stock holders) are not given authority to set executive salaries, nay, it is the Executives themselves that set their own salaries for the entire executive chain.. It's a bit odd and more than a small problem.

' the owners of the companies (stock holders)''

Have you really fallen for this myth?

What myth? That there are owners of companies? WTF is your problem ass hole?

 

[PMZ]

Our government is supposed to break up monopolies, oligopolies, and ensure the markets are fair for the consumers. In this case a great majority of corporations are set up such that the owners of the companies (stock holders) are not given authority to set executive salaries, nay, it is the Executives themselves that set their own salaries for the entire executive chain.. It's a bit odd and more than a small problem.

' the owners of the companies (stock holders)''

Have you really fallen for this myth?

What myth? That there are owners of companies? WTF is your problem ass hole?

The myth that people who gamble on equity prices are responsible owners of corporations.

WTF is your problem ass hole?

 

[PMZ]

Liberals really should shut you up so you stop embarrassing them.

A customer is someone who PURCHASES products from a business.

Workers ARE PAID by the business.

Right.

Can you clarify which part you didn't know?

What does ''right" mean to you?

 

[RKMBrown]

' the owners of the companies (stock holders)''

Have you really fallen for this myth?

What myth? That there are owners of companies? WTF is your problem ass hole?

The myth that people who gamble on equity prices are responsible owners of corporations.

WTF is your problem ass hole?

It's none of your blanking business whether owners are responsible with their property or not, it's their blanking property not yours you communist piece of shit.

 

[Ame®icano]

I keep hearing liberals say day after day, "the rich need to pay their fair share!"

But when asked how much the "fair share" actually is, they have no idea and never come out with a specific number. Others just beat around the bush and talk about periods in our history when top marginal tax rates were in the 90% range, but say that's not really what they want. Maybe out of fear they'll get called communists.

Anyways, I thought I'd put an end to the confusion once and for al with this poll.

Liberals, what should be the "fair share" the rich have to pay in taxes?

Conservatives, feel free to chime in as well.

You either misunderstand the issue or are misrepresenting it.

The issue has nothing to do with a ‘fair share ‘ or some ‘specific number.’

The issue concerns the fallacy of ‘trickle-down economics,’ where taxes are lowered for high-income earners, yet tax rates remain the same for middle and low-income earners.

Hmmm, what a load of crap...

The Bush tax cuts reduced the then 39.6 percent rate to 35 percent, the 36 percent rate to 33 percent, the 31 percent rate to 28 percent, and the 28 percent rate to 25 percent. It created a new 10 percent bracket, and there was no change to the 15 percent rate. The last years fiscal cliff deal retained all those rates except the top rate, which it allowed to rise back to 39.6 percent.

Beside change in tax rates, Bush tax cuts included some other policy changes:
Doubled the child tax credit from $500 to $1,000
Reduced the marriage penalty by doubling the standard deduction for married filers compared to single filers and doubling the income threshold for the 15 percent bracket for married filers compared to single filers
Increased the earned income tax credit (EITC)
Raised the annual contribution limit for Coverdell education savings accounts to $2,000 per year and relaxed other limitations
Extended the exclusion for employer-provided educational assistance
Eliminated the 60-month rule and the disallowance for voluntary payments for the student loan deduction
Eliminated tax on certain scholarships
Reduced taxes on bonds for school construction
Increased the dependent care tax credit
Increased the adoption credit
Provided credit for employer-provided child care
Changed tax treatment of Alaska Native Settlement Trusts.

Reminder: The fiscal cliff deal made each of these policies permanent.

So explain again, how exactly taxes are lowered for high-income earners, yet tax rates remain the same for middle and low-income earners???

 

[PMZ]

Can you give us an example of an actual tyrannical government that's not minority rule?

The Obama administration

You're calling the President of America, the most successful Constitutional Democratic Republic the world has ever known, tyrannical, because you aren't getting your way?

I looked it up with Google, and found that that makes you an asshole just like your friend.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Can you give us an example of an actual tyrannical government that's not minority rule?

The Obama administration

I hesitate to call Obamunism "tyranny." While the Obamunists are authoritarian and show utter contempt for the Constitution, they have not attempted dissolved congress, blockaded the Supreme Court, or ordered the arrest or the Chief Justice - all of which Abraham Lincoln did. I see that the Obamunists are on the ROAD to tyranny, and that it is they end game; but we ain't there yet - and with perseverance, never will be.

 

[PMZ]

What myth? That there are owners of companies? WTF is your problem ass hole?

The myth that people who gamble on equity prices are responsible owners of corporations.

WTF is your problem ass hole?

It's none of your blanking business whether owners are responsible with their property or not, it's their blanking property not yours you communist piece of shit.

More Republican irresponsibility. Never solve a problem. Avoid even thinking about them. Fox tells us that Republicans are the smartest people on earth but everything that they touch turns to shit so run, run, run from anything that even could be a problem.

When liberals pulling us into the future have to fight conservatives pulling us back to the past at every turn progress is slowed and made more costly but human beings who think for themselves are the same ones that overcome obstacles.

The future will not be denied.

 

[Uncensored2008]

More Republican irresponsibility. Never solve a problem. Avoid even thinking about them. Fox tells us that Republicans are the smartest people on earth but everything that they touch turns to shit so run, run, run from anything that even could be a problem.

Comrade, your master claims that Republicans are rich and greedy, that they do not give the proletarians there "fair share."

Yet here you are aping the words that your master puts in your mouth that "everything they touch turns to shit." Can comrade Soros explain the contradiction of these claims?

If Republicans have all the money and hoard it in basements where they swim in gold coins, then does this not mean they are successful and that what they touch turns to gold?

When liberals pulling us into the future have to fight conservatives pulling us back to the past at every turn progress is slowed and made more costly but human beings who think for themselves are the same ones that overcome obstacles.

What about you communists who try and pull us back to 1917 and the gulags of the Stalinist state?

The future will not be denied.

Good thing - since you communists are a relic of an evil past.

 

[kaz]

Can you give us an example of an actual tyrannical government that's not minority rule?

The Obama administration

I hesitate to call Obamunism "tyranny." While the Obamunists are authoritarian and show utter contempt for the Constitution, they have not attempted dissolved congress, blockaded the Supreme Court, or ordered the arrest or the Chief Justice - all of which Abraham Lincoln did. I see that the Obamunists are on the ROAD to tyranny, and that it is they end game; but we ain't there yet - and with perseverance, never will be.

They trample on our Constitutional rights

The GOP majority in the House was blown away and stripped of it's Constitutional power to have a say in the budget because of a PR lynching orchestrated by the Democratic party and carried out by the liberal media.

John Roberts was intimidated into changing his vote to uphold Obamacare by knowing he would be vilified for the rest of his career if the Supreme Court struck it down.

Obama just decrees that he won't enforce immigration laws, his friends are exempt from his laws, whether energy companies can drill or not off our shores.

The Democratic party is a juggernaut that is through destruction of anyone who stands in their way seizing control of health care, financial services, energy and is burying the rest with mandates and regulations.

And that is me as a citizen. As a business owner, the Federal government is even more belligerent and despotic than it's ever been. And they don't use Vaseline.

If that's not tyranny to you, what would it take?

 

[kaz]

Right.

Can you clarify which part you didn't know?

What does ''right" mean to you?

Sorry, my bad. You never admitted you were wrong before, so I took it as sarcasm.

 

[PMZ]

Can you clarify which part you didn't know?

What does ''right" mean to you?

Sorry, my bad. You never admitted you were wrong before, so I took it as sarcasm.

What was I wrong about?

Workers and customers are what both you and I said the were but the two groups are mostly the same people.

The one good idea that Henry Ford had was the realization that the people who built Fords were the same people who bought them. He went against all capitalist advice and started paying them $5 a day and sales skyrocketed making him wealthy.

Real evidence showing that the oversimplified, black and white capitalist platitudes recited here are nothing more than that.

Business brainwashing.