[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[bripat9643]

Kill or be killed. The predators motto. Adequate for cavemen and Republicans.

The predators are the Democrats plundering from the producers to give out to the expanding moocher class for votes.

The Democrats mostly represent workers who create everyone's wealth.

A great reality show would be CEOs in their factories trying to run them without workers.

They idea that the value of a product depends on the physical labor required to produce it is a purely Marxian conception. Furthermore, it's dead wrong.

But you claim you aren't a communist. That's strange when you believe all the exact same things that communists believe.

 

[bripat9643]

Kill or be killed. The predators motto. Adequate for cavemen and Republicans.

Adequate for those that have had the balls to suit it up and cross the lines.
Obviously that would not have included you.

Go back to the caves if you want. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from living like an animal except your gonads.

What's stopping you from moving to your socialist paradise in Cuba?

 

[kaz]

We are a Republic. No monarch.

On election days you don't vote for your choice for President, a Senator, and a House member?

If you ask the polling place officials they will help you read the ballot.

Dude, you're on the Internet with a browser, if you don't know the difference between a democracy and a republic, you could just google the terms. The obvious is such an elusive grasp to liberals.

I know the definition of the two words and they are unrelated.

A republic is a government without a monarch.

Well, that's a true statement, but there's more to it then that. It's like saying a fish is a dog without fur. True, but a dog without fur is not necessarily a fish.

Democracy is a decision making strategy. By voting.

Again, a true statement, but again, not specific enough. A democracy is a direct vote, majority rules. We don't even elect our President that way. We have no national referendums. Our republics may be democracies in ways, but our Federal government is in no way a democracy. Did you know the term wasn't even used until the mid 20th century?

It's also a form of government that uses that strategy to make decisions.

What does that mean?

You've been instructed to deny democracy as a step towards plutocracy and aristocracy. Rule by the privileged.

Right, I'm a free market libertarian who ... something Marxist, you can explain it later.

Unfortunately for your leaders our democracy won't go away. Our government is of, by, and for the people. Not the privileged. All the people.

Yes comrade, you mentioned the bourgeois is oppressing the proletariat. I got it.

 

[kaz]

Remember, my position that you are disagreeing with is that business leaders should be held accountable for growth.

Has nothing to do with your pontificating about what others think.

No, your position that everyone is disagreeing with is that business leaders should be held accountable to dimwits on the street like you, who have no investment in or connection with the business.

It's kinda like you saying if I cheat on my husband, I owe YOU an apology, because you don't approve. Who the **** are you, and what business is it of yours? Same basic concept. I didn't marry you, so I have no obligation to you to be a good wife, and you have ****-all to do with their business, so they have no obligation to you in regards to how they run it.

If you still don't get it, I guess I can break out the Crayolas and draw you a picture.

Another conservative icon. Avoid accountability. Avoid responsibility.
What's amazing would be anyone who would believe that a country would work based on irresponsible people with no accountability.

The peak of ignorance.

The government should hold him accountable for his crimes, the owners of the company should hold him accountable for his performance.

If it ain't Marxist, you don't even hear it, do you?

 

[Bern80]

So, in your mind all poverty stems from irresponsibility?

I see no more evidence for that than the position that no poverty stems from it.

No. The point is no one can obligate someone else to their own survival. Regardless of whether the conditions they're in are their own fault or not.

A whole lot of fire and police and military and health care professionals and parents and grandparents would disagree.

In fact, I would venture that most human beings would disagree.

If you want a real life demonstration, threaten one of my grandchildren.

We're not talking about attacking people. Not paying someone enough to live on is not an attack. Your employer doesn't owe you enough to live on. That is not the reason they pay you. They pay you based on the value of the skill you provide them. That might be enough to live on or more or it might not. At the end of the day you don't have the right to make anyone else responsible for what you need to survive.

 

[Bern80]

We are a Republic. No monarch.

On election days you don't vote for your choice for President, a Senator, and a House member?

If you ask the polling place officials they will help you read the ballot.

Dude, you're on the Internet with a browser, if you don't know the difference between a democracy and a republic, you could just google the terms. The obvious is such an elusive grasp to liberals.

I know the definition of the two words and they are unrelated.

A republic is a government without a monarch.

Democracy is a decision making strategy. By voting. It's also a form of government that uses that strategy to make decisions.

You've been instructed to deny democracy as a step towards plutocracy and aristocracy. Rule by the privileged.

Unfortunately for your leaders our democracy won't go away. Our government is of, by, and for the people. Not the privileged. All the people.

We don't have a democracy in this country. Never have. It is not majority rule. This is a fundamental myth about our country that for whatever reason we can't shake. Our form of government is and always has been known as a democratic republic. Not a democracy.

 

[zeke]

No. The point is no one can obligate someone else to their own survival. Regardless of whether the conditions they're in are their own fault or not.

A whole lot of fire and police and military and health care professionals and parents and grandparents would disagree.

In fact, I would venture that most human beings would disagree.

If you want a real life demonstration, threaten one of my grandchildren.

We're not talking about attacking people. Not paying someone enough to live on is not an attack. Your employer doesn't owe you enough to live on. That is not the reason they pay you. They pay you based on the value of the skill you provide them. That might be enough to live on or more or it might not. At the end of the day you don't have the right to make anyone else responsible for what you need to survive.

So you don't have a problem with those that make their "living" off of working the welfare system? I mean, if you don't have the right to make anyone else responsible for what they need to survive.

What does the employee of the company the isn't paying them enough to live on, what does that employee owe the company he works for? Nothing? Street runs both ways right?

I mean if a fast food worker messes up at the register, spits in the food, is rude to customers etc. they don't "owe" that company their best effort do they?

 

[Bern80]

Remember, my position that you are disagreeing with is that business leaders should be held accountable for growth.

Has nothing to do with your pontificating about what others think.

No, your position that everyone is disagreeing with is that business leaders should be held accountable to dimwits on the street like you, who have no investment in or connection with the business.

It's kinda like you saying if I cheat on my husband, I owe YOU an apology, because you don't approve. Who the **** are you, and what business is it of yours? Same basic concept. I didn't marry you, so I have no obligation to you to be a good wife, and you have ****-all to do with their business, so they have no obligation to you in regards to how they run it.

If you still don't get it, I guess I can break out the Crayolas and draw you a picture.

Another conservative icon. Avoid accountability. Avoid responsibility.
What's amazing would be anyone who would believe that a country would work based on irresponsible people with no accountability.

The peak of ignorance.

That's a laugher. Again which party legislates policies that absolve people of responsibility. Advocating a living wage is avoiding responsibility. Abortion on demand is avoiding responsibility. Protecting welfare is avoiding responsbility. All LIBERAL agendas.

 

[Bern80]

A whole lot of fire and police and military and health care professionals and parents and grandparents would disagree.

In fact, I would venture that most human beings would disagree.

If you want a real life demonstration, threaten one of my grandchildren.

We're not talking about attacking people. Not paying someone enough to live on is not an attack. Your employer doesn't owe you enough to live on. That is not the reason they pay you. They pay you based on the value of the skill you provide them. That might be enough to live on or more or it might not. At the end of the day you don't have the right to make anyone else responsible for what you need to survive.

So you don't have a problem with those that make their "living" off of working the welfare system? I mean, if you don't have the right to make anyone else responsible for what they need to survive.

What does the employee of the company the isn't paying them enough to live on, what does that employee owe the company he works for? Nothing? Street runs both ways right?

I mean if a fast food worker messes up at the register, spits in the food, is rude to customers etc. they don't "owe" that company their best effort do they?

The worker owes the company their labor in duties of the job description in exchange for the agreed upon wage and contract they sign, which I'm sure at McDonalds that does not include spitting in the food.

Of course I have a problem with people making a living off welfare. They are doing exactly that. Obligating the tax payers to their living rather than their own skill.

 

[dcraelin]

I know the definition of the two words and they are unrelated.
A republic is a government without a monarch.
Democracy is a decision making strategy. By voting. It's also a form of government that uses that strategy to make decisions.
You've been instructed to deny democracy as a step towards plutocracy and aristocracy. Rule by the privileged.
Unfortunately for your leaders our democracy won't go away. Our government is of, by, and for the people. Not the privileged. All the people.

We don't have a democracy in this country. Never have. It is not majority rule. This is a fundamental myth about our country that for whatever reason we can't shake. Our form of government is and always has been known as a democratic republic. Not a democracy.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/membe...cture-is-him-at-constitutional-convention.jpg

 

[Gadawg73]

A whole lot of fire and police and military and health care professionals and parents and grandparents would disagree.

In fact, I would venture that most human beings would disagree.

If you want a real life demonstration, threaten one of my grandchildren.

We're not talking about attacking people. Not paying someone enough to live on is not an attack. Your employer doesn't owe you enough to live on. That is not the reason they pay you. They pay you based on the value of the skill you provide them. That might be enough to live on or more or it might not. At the end of the day you don't have the right to make anyone else responsible for what you need to survive.

So you don't have a problem with those that make their "living" off of working the welfare system? I mean, if you don't have the right to make anyone else responsible for what they need to survive.

What does the employee of the company the isn't paying them enough to live on, what does that employee owe the company he works for? Nothing? Street runs both ways right?

I mean if a fast food worker messes up at the register, spits in the food, is rude to customers etc. they don't "owe" that company their best effort do they?

People are paid according to their skills and the demand for those skills.
Something about the free market where one can go and obtain the skills they need to make more money.
Or sit and cry about how someone else has more than them.

 

[PMZ]

Dude, you're on the Internet with a browser, if you don't know the difference between a democracy and a republic, you could just google the terms. The obvious is such an elusive grasp to liberals.

I know the definition of the two words and they are unrelated.

A republic is a government without a monarch.

Well, that's a true statement, but there's more to it then that. It's like saying a fish is a dog without fur. True, but a dog without fur is not necessarily a fish.


Again, a true statement, but again, not specific enough. A democracy is a direct vote, majority rules. We don't even elect our President that way. We have no national referendums. Our republics may be democracies in ways, but our Federal government is in no way a democracy. Did you know the term wasn't even used until the mid 20th century?


What does that mean?

You've been instructed to deny democracy as a step towards plutocracy and aristocracy. Rule by the privileged.

Right, I'm a free market libertarian who ... something Marxist, you can explain it later.

Unfortunately for your leaders our democracy won't go away. Our government is of, by, and for the people. Not the privileged. All the people.

Yes comrade, you mentioned the bourgeois is oppressing the proletariat. I got it.

You got the Fox propaganda down pat. Everyone who thinks for themselves is a Marxist. And loves Cuba.

Robots are free.

What makes you free? The tyranny of minority rule.

Wealth is the measure of capability.

Hate all liberals, Democrats, government workers, union workers, in fact all workers, non Christians, immigrants legal and illegal, all races but white, the poor, the middle class, foreigners, women, the educated, the young and old and all government.

Why? They all steal your money.

The only people you can trust are those that look, think, talk and smell like you.

Creating wealth is for slaves. Having wealth is aristocratic.

You are entitled. Let the others eat cake.

 

[PMZ]

Dude, you're on the Internet with a browser, if you don't know the difference between a democracy and a republic, you could just google the terms. The obvious is such an elusive grasp to liberals.

I know the definition of the two words and they are unrelated.

A republic is a government without a monarch.

Well, that's a true statement, but there's more to it then that. It's like saying a fish is a dog without fur. True, but a dog without fur is not necessarily a fish.


Again, a true statement, but again, not specific enough. A democracy is a direct vote, majority rules. We don't even elect our President that way. We have no national referendums. Our republics may be democracies in ways, but our Federal government is in no way a democracy. Did you know the term wasn't even used until the mid 20th century?


What does that mean?

You've been instructed to deny democracy as a step towards plutocracy and aristocracy. Rule by the privileged.

Right, I'm a free market libertarian who ... something Marxist, you can explain it later.

Unfortunately for your leaders our democracy won't go away. Our government is of, by, and for the people. Not the privileged. All the people.

Yes comrade, you mentioned the bourgeois is oppressing the proletariat. I got it.

You don't ''get'' shit.

 

[RKMBrown]

That's extremely regressive. That hurts poor people, and the middle class. It doesn't affect the wealthy at all, and keeps them from paying their fair share.

Why is it regressive? Sales tax does not apply to food products, medicine, etc.

Because the poor and middle-class spend a much higher proportion of their income on bought goods.

When you are making $750,000 and up, consumption taxes are chump change. The wealthy would jump at that in a second.

The Estate Tax needs to be brought back in it's former form. Loopholes that allow G.E. and Exxon to not only pay no taxes, but also get a tax rebate, are ridiculous.

Nah your are making that up. Sales taxes are not regressive in any states that have sales tax. They are not regressive because food, shelter, medicine, utilities and other basic necessities don't apply to sales tax in those states.

 

[PMZ]

No, your position that everyone is disagreeing with is that business leaders should be held accountable to dimwits on the street like you, who have no investment in or connection with the business.

It's kinda like you saying if I cheat on my husband, I owe YOU an apology, because you don't approve. Who the **** are you, and what business is it of yours? Same basic concept. I didn't marry you, so I have no obligation to you to be a good wife, and you have ****-all to do with their business, so they have no obligation to you in regards to how they run it.

If you still don't get it, I guess I can break out the Crayolas and draw you a picture.

Another conservative icon. Avoid accountability. Avoid responsibility.
What's amazing would be anyone who would believe that a country would work based on irresponsible people with no accountability.

The peak of ignorance.

The government should hold him accountable for his crimes, the owners of the company should hold him accountable for his performance.

If it ain't Marxist, you don't even hear it, do you?

What is the owner of the means of production that the workers create wealth using accountable for and to whom?

 

[RKMBrown]

I know the definition of the two words and they are unrelated.

A republic is a government without a monarch.

Well, that's a true statement, but there's more to it then that. It's like saying a fish is a dog without fur. True, but a dog without fur is not necessarily a fish.


Again, a true statement, but again, not specific enough. A democracy is a direct vote, majority rules. We don't even elect our President that way. We have no national referendums. Our republics may be democracies in ways, but our Federal government is in no way a democracy. Did you know the term wasn't even used until the mid 20th century?


What does that mean?


Right, I'm a free market libertarian who ... something Marxist, you can explain it later.

Unfortunately for your leaders our democracy won't go away. Our government is of, by, and for the people. Not the privileged. All the people.

Yes comrade, you mentioned the bourgeois is oppressing the proletariat. I got it.

You got the Fox propaganda down pat. Everyone who thinks for themselves is a Marxist. And loves Cuba.

Robots are free.

What makes you free? The tyranny of minority rule.

Wealth is the measure of capability.
Hate all liberals, Democrats, government workers, union workers, in fact all workers, non Christians, immigrants legal and illegal, all races but white, the poor, the middle class, foreigners, women, the educated, the young and old and all government.

Why? They all steal your money.

The only people you can trust are those that look, think, talk and smell like you.

Creating wealth is for slaves. Having wealth is aristocratic.

You are entitled. Let the others eat cake.

Tyranny of the minority rule.. what a blanking retard you are. Yeah cause the majority should have the right to eat minorities. What drugs are you on?

 

[PMZ]

No. The point is no one can obligate someone else to their own survival. Regardless of whether the conditions they're in are their own fault or not.

A whole lot of fire and police and military and health care professionals and parents and grandparents would disagree.

In fact, I would venture that most human beings would disagree.

If you want a real life demonstration, threaten one of my grandchildren.

We're not talking about attacking people. Not paying someone enough to live on is not an attack. Your employer doesn't owe you enough to live on. That is not the reason they pay you. They pay you based on the value of the skill you provide them. That might be enough to live on or more or it might not. At the end of the day you don't have the right to make anyone else responsible for what you need to survive.

Is this from the Bible? Constitution? From God's lips direct to your ears? Wikipedia?

Oh I know. The fount of all knowledge, Fox News. Straight out of the Republican propaganda factory.

Good recital.

 

[RKMBrown]

Another conservative icon. Avoid accountability. Avoid responsibility.
What's amazing would be anyone who would believe that a country would work based on irresponsible people with no accountability.

The peak of ignorance.

The government should hold him accountable for his crimes, the owners of the company should hold him accountable for his performance.

If it ain't Marxist, you don't even hear it, do you?

What is the owner of the means of production that the workers create wealth using accountable for and to whom?

You need to get to the Emergency room you are just babbling. Probably about to have a stroke. Workers work to earn income, normally they get paid for their work. Owners hire people to work for them for a wage. They pay for that wage using their own money and/or money they get from customers.

 

[PMZ]

I

Dude, you're on the Internet with a browser, if you don't know the difference between a democracy and a republic, you could just google the terms. The obvious is such an elusive grasp to liberals.

I know the definition of the two words and they are unrelated.

A republic is a government without a monarch.

Democracy is a decision making strategy. By voting. It's also a form of government that uses that strategy to make decisions.

You've been instructed to deny democracy as a step towards plutocracy and aristocracy. Rule by the privileged.

Unfortunately for your leaders our democracy won't go away. Our government is of, by, and for the people. Not the privileged. All the people.

We don't have a democracy in this country. Never have. It is not majority rule. This is a fundamental myth about our country that for whatever reason we can't shake. Our form of government is and always has been known as a democratic republic. Not a democracy.

Look up the word democracy. Look up the word republic. Turn off the TV. This ain't rocket science.

You're the biggest robot here.

 

[PMZ]

A whole lot of fire and police and military and health care professionals and parents and grandparents would disagree.

In fact, I would venture that most human beings would disagree.

If you want a real life demonstration, threaten one of my grandchildren.

We're not talking about attacking people. Not paying someone enough to live on is not an attack. Your employer doesn't owe you enough to live on. That is not the reason they pay you. They pay you based on the value of the skill you provide them. That might be enough to live on or more or it might not. At the end of the day you don't have the right to make anyone else responsible for what you need to survive.

So you don't have a problem with those that make their "living" off of working the welfare system? I mean, if you don't have the right to make anyone else responsible for what they need to survive.

What does the employee of the company the isn't paying them enough to live on, what does that employee owe the company he works for? Nothing? Street runs both ways right?

I mean if a fast food worker messes up at the register, spits in the food, is rude to customers etc. they don't "owe" that company their best effort do they?

The Republican rule of thumb is that if you give your mind to them, for washing, you are freed from all responsibility and accountability.

You and I might think that that produces zombies, the living dead.

Zombies feel that they are freed from the cares of life.

They eat money I hear.