POLL: Let's try to have a serious, interesting, informative conversation about Trump

[The Duke]

Okay, so I'll pledge to keep any criticism or any degree of attacks out of this conversation. Hopefully you will too, but we'll see how it goes.

Full Disclosure: I've been able to adjust my relationships with my Trump-voting friends and family to where we either don't discuss politics, or we just keep our political conversations at a point where we're agreeing on something. That's it. Those relationships are too important to us to risk. Period.

So I'm going to ask you guys the question I would ask them if I were willing to risk those relationships. It's at the heart of my concerns about MAGA, and I know it's a question often asked by people across the political spectrum who remain horrified about what's happening. But clearly, his base (NOT everyone who voted for him, but his BASE), clearly believe America is in serious danger and he is the one person who can fix this.

Personally, while I have several general issue agreements with MAGA (see link at bottom here), I also believe (as do many across the political spectrum) that getting what I may want politically is not worth selling my soul to anyone (and that's what I think it is), let alone a person of such deeply poor moral character and obvious mental instability. I/we also strongly disagree with this simplistic, heavy, ham-handed approach, refusal to collaborate/innovate, and obvious indications of European-style autocratic authoritarianism. That's just my personal opinion.

Please vote/comment, and no attacks are on the way in response. Thanks in advance.

Where does Mac1958 actually stand on the issues?

Start it downstairs then, Government Mule.
I think you're looking for shill points and not an honest dialogue. That's what I think.
Now go on and tell me more about how you're more intelligent and better educated so you know so much better than all Trump supporters so I can roll my fucking eyes, you fucking shitweasel retard!

 

[eagle1462010]

Wallace was governor. And governors control their national guard.

But the president has the ultimate authority over the national guard as commander-in-chief.

Not on Capital Grounds dumbass. Sefurity is by Capital police who REFUSED THE GUARD

 

[Delldude]

Probably because they were UC in the crowd.

 

[Clipper]

Sec of Def Stephen Miller told congress that he would never send the National Guard to the Capitol

Trump is the anti-christ & Miller is his errand boy.

They're both scum of the Earth.

 

[Delldude]

First off. The Washington DC national guard is
the only guard unit that's always and only federalized (under exclusive federal control)

Ok, tell us why Trump didn't directly deploy them instead of using secdef........

 

[Delldude]

YouThey were offered by the DOD 2 times. Capital Police said NO

You know, it was quite obvious most of the people who should have knowledge of those procedures didn't have a clue.
People not in the established COC were calling all over.

Why wasn't I surprised.

 

[Stryder50]

Trump is the anti-christ & Miller is his errand boy.

They're both scum of the Earth.

Like most Leftist POS, you have it wrong.
Obama was/is the anti-Christ, his puppet Biden is his errand boy.
Although 'Kackle' Harris had to fill in for Biden since his senility makes him total incompetent (he was only partial incompetent post his election.).

 

[RetiredGySgt]

That was the early expectation. Said before the vaccine was deployed.
After, they only claimed it's ability to keep people from dying, or serious complications.

wrong even after it was deployed and people got it again people in high places were still saying it prevented you from getting iit or spreading it

 

[Delldude]

wrong even after it was deployed and people got it again people in high places were still saying it prevented you from getting iit or spreading it

Think one was Joe 5 times Biden.

 

[Nostra]

If you're infected, and don't die from it. You're CURED.

The vaccine did that.

Millions got it without the jab and didn’t die. So how do you know the jab works?

 

[Nostra]

Maybe you need to look up the definition of TRIAL.

It's when you appear before a jury of your peers. All Trumps lawyers did was argue to the judge.

No jury. No Trial. (unless jury was waived, but not in that case)

Look up BENCH TRIAL, Moron.

 

[Nostra]

Maybe you don't know criminal procedure. You can appear in court dozens of times before the case goes to trial.

And as you pointed out the Jack Smith case never went to trial.

Hence, not "TRIED" in that instance.

No, I said it was thrown out by the judge, liar.

 

[Nostra]

Trump is the anti-christ & Miller is his errand boy.

They're both scum of the Earth.

Your meltdown is cute.

Seek help soon.

 

[Delldude]

What happened to the mail go on strike ?

 

[Clipper]

Your meltdown is cute.

Seek help soon.

Truth to you MAGA goobers is a meltdown.

 

[Clipper]

Like most Leftist POS, you have it wrong.
Obama was/is the anti-Christ, his puppet Biden is his errand boy.
Although 'Kackle' Harris had to fill in for Biden since his senility makes him total incompetent (he was only partial incompetent post his election.).

That subhuman is a Bible toting bigot & the worst person elected potus in the history of this Country.

A criminal scumbag.

 

[krichton]

1. Not to be lawyerly, but this is what you said in an earlier post.....
"You know it is a fact that republicans who voted to let trump slide on both impeachments later publicly admitted that he was actually guilty, but they didn't convict him for political reasons, don't you?"

2. I don't see a link proving that ALL Republicans who voted not to remove Trump ALL admitted that they didn't convict for political reasons. We all know that there are "Never-Trumpers" who are Republicans, like Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, in the Senate Mitch McConnell, Murkowski, and Mitt Romney come to mind. BUT, the linked article says that the Senate has no power to remove an ex-president, so the 2nd Impeachment was moot because Trump lost the election.
The reason Republicans voted NOT to remove Trump was that he was gone anyway. Not a political but a legal rationale'.

An impeached trial can continue past a president's term in office. Is there even a single question in anyone's mind, if a democrat had did the same thing that the GOP wouldn't chase that former president to the ends of the earth whether they were in office or not? A conviction is not only damning in public opinion and to their respective party, but it can also mean that the former president is unable to run again by 2/3 majority Senate vote. Justice and the rule of law has been averted every single time when it comes to Trump.

 

[Nostra]

That subhuman is a Bible toting bigot & the worst person elected potus in the history of this Country.

A criminal scumbag.

The next 4 years of your epic meltdown is gonna be a hoot……if you survive it. At this rate I figure you will blow an artery.

 

[eagle1462010]

That subhuman is a Bible toting bigot & the worst person elected potus in the history of this Country.

A criminal scumbag.

Yeah Obama was a POS.

Good point

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Well stupid, since your lefty links wrote those 3 years ago Nazi Piglosi was caught on tape taking responsibility.

BS, Q-NUT.

A previously unreleased video taken on Jan. 6, 2021 shows then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., saying she takes "responsibility" for law enforcement's lack of preparedness when a mob stormed the U.S. Capitol that day.
"We have responsibility, Terri. We did not have any accountability for what was going on there. And we should have," Pelosi says in the video, which was reviewed in its original form by Fox News Digital. "This is ridiculous. You’re going to ask me in the middle of the thing when they’ve already breached…that, should we call the Capitol Police? I mean the National Guard? Why weren’t the National Guard there to begin with?"
Her aide appeared to reply that Capitol security did believe they were prepared, to which Pelosi continued, "They clearly didn’t know, and I take responsibility for not having them just prepared for more."

So, how could Pelosi turn down the request for the NG, when she was wondering why they weren't there?

And several documents have come out confirming Trump offered the NG.

FROM?
FOX, newsmax, Tucker?

Keep losing, it's what you do best, Simp.

As usual, you're delusional.