POLL: Let's try to have a serious, interesting, informative conversation about Trump

Does Trump's character and history really matter to you?

  • 1. No. I think America has reached a point where I'm willing to overlook both things.

    Votes: 2 5.0%
  • 2. The stories of his character and history are lies spread about those who hate him.

    Votes: 14 35.0%
  • 3. Other (please comment)

    Votes: 24 60.0%

  • Total voters
    40
Not on the Capital. He had given permission and the DOD had recommended it and Capital Police said NO.
The Capitol police have no authority (eithe rway) over the DC National Guard.

That's under control of the President, and delegated to the Sec of Def, who delegates to the Sec of the Army, who delegates to the DC Commanding General.
 
He's commander in chief. The president can order the DC Guard to deploy to Hades.
Just not in DC.

Only time POTUS can deploy NG troops is if they're federalized.

Only time POTUS can directly deploy NG in DC is under the insurrection act, after they're federalized.
 
The Capitol police have no authority (eithe rway) over the DC National Guard.

That's under control of the President, and delegated to the Sec of Def, who delegates to the Sec of the Army, who delegates to the DC Commanding General.
Of which was authorized and recommended.

After it got out of control there were delays.

BUT THEY WOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEJ THERE if the Capital Police had said we need them.
 
Lmao.

Thats after the fact on the delay once the crowds got out of hand.

The offered the troops days before. Capital police said NO
As I said, the Capitol Police have no authority of the DC National Guard.

Just like George Wallace said no to the National Guard, standing on the steps of Foster Auditorium at the University of Alabama on June 11, 1963,
 
As I said, the Capitol Police have no authority of the DC National Guard.

Just like George Wallace said no to the National Guard, standing on the steps of Foster Auditorium at the University of Alabama on June 11, 1963,
You just LYING DEM pushing BS.

Investigations show they were offered and recommended to be there.

Capital Police fucked it up.
 
Most of the attacks are made up bullshit by butthurt people. Trump is not racist not does he attack women, his court cases are lies and exaggerated bullshit as well. He has strong opinions and a sense of what he wants done and is not afraid to go after that, this worries the powers that he threatens, and he is A THREAT to the status quo.
Hopefully, Trump will continue to stuff his yap with Quarter Pounders turning his arteries into sludge, he'll stroke out or have a coronary & we'll be rid of that sweathog once & for all.

His crime family can bury his carcass at his Jersey golf club so his crime family can write his sorry ass off as a tax break.
 
Just not in DC.

Only time POTUS can deploy NG troops is if they're federalized.

Only time POTUS can directly deploy NG in DC is under the insurrection act, after they're federalized.
First off. The Washington DC national guard is
the only guard unit that's always and only federalized (under exclusive federal control)
 
Okay, so I'll pledge to keep any criticism or any degree of attacks out of this conversation. Hopefully you will too, but we'll see how it goes.

Full Disclosure: I've been able to adjust my relationships with my Trump-voting friends and family to where we either don't discuss politics, or we just keep our political conversations at a point where we're agreeing on something. That's it. Those relationships are too important to us to risk. Period.

So I'm going to ask you guys the question I would ask them if I were willing to risk those relationships. It's at the heart of my concerns about MAGA, and I know it's a question often asked by people across the political spectrum who remain horrified about what's happening. But clearly, his base (NOT everyone who voted for him, but his BASE), clearly believe America is in serious danger and he is the one person who can fix this.

Personally, while I have several general issue agreements with MAGA (see link at bottom here), I also believe (as do many across the political spectrum) that getting what I may want politically is not worth selling my soul to anyone (and that's what I think it is), let alone a person of such deeply poor moral character and obvious mental instability. I/we also strongly disagree with this simplistic, heavy, ham-handed approach, refusal to collaborate/innovate, and obvious indications of European-style autocratic authoritarianism. That's just my personal opinion.

Please vote/comment, and no attacks are on the way in response. Thanks in advance.

Where does Mac1958 actually stand on the issues?
Paraphrased ; "I have a phone and a pen. Who needs Congress?"

Which recent authoritarian POTUS of VERY questionable morals, ethics, and character said that ?

Remember that Trump needs to be taken in context of other recent POTUS's and career politicians.
 
Of which was authorized and recommended.

After it got out of control there were delays.

BUT THEY WOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEJ THERE if the Capital Police had said we need them.
Sec of Def (acting) Stephen Miller, testified he would not send the DC guard to the Capitol.

And as Sec of Def , he was in direct control over the DC National Guard.
 
Hopefully, Trump will continue to stuff his yap with Quarter Pounders turning his arteries into sludge, he'll stroke out or have a coronary & we'll be rid of that sweathog once & for all.

His crime family can bury his carcass at his Jersey golf club so his crime family can write his sorry ass off as a tax break.
Who do you support?
 
You just LYING DEM pushing BS.

Investigations show they were offered and recommended to be there.

Capital Police fucked it up.
Sec of Def Stephen Miller told congress that he would never send the National Guard to the Capitol
 
She requested National Guard help from the Pentagon on Dec. 31, but the Capitol Police turned down the Jan. 3 offer from the Defense Department, according to Kenneth Rapuano, assistant defense secretary for homeland security.

We asked more than once and the final return that we got on Sunday the 3rd was that they would not be asking DOD for assistance,” he said.
 
On Capital Grounds the Capital police have to be a part of it you Lying Clown
You mean like George Wallace had to be part of Kennedy deploying the National Guard to Foster Auditorium at the University of Alabama on June 11, 1963,
 
You mean like George Wallace had to be part of Kennedy deploying the National Guard to Foster Auditorium at the University of Alabama on June 11, 1963,
A University is a BS Comparison
 
She requested National Guard help from the Pentagon on Dec. 31, but the Capitol Police turned down the Jan. 3 offer from the Defense Department, according to Kenneth Rapuano, assistant defense secretary for homeland security.

We asked more than once and the final return that we got on Sunday the 3rd was that they would not be asking DOD for assistance,” he said.


We seem to have conflicting stories.
One said REFUSED
The other said WOULDN'T ASK.
 
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