Poll: 80% Call Illegal Immigration a Problem, 58% say Serious’

[occupied]

Mr. Obama had a pretty decent balance of carrot and stick that kind of half-assed worked without overly demonizing decent people while keeping a high level of deportation of undesirables. It would be nice if we could get the whole system overhauled but republicans want no part of that. Yhey cannot even discuss t without being dicks about it.

When we have a population of illegals numbering in the millions, it is not a good balance, it is a ******* disaster.

That's a matter of opinion but we have already seen clear examples of what it does to our country when the fearmongers try to get all heartlessly militaristic on the problem. Trump is now spending the last of his political capital trying to appease the xenophobes.

What exactly do you think we have "seen" as a "clear example" of "what it dos to our country"?


Oh and calling what you don't like a phobia, is not a supporting argument. It is bullshit.

The shutdown is a very recent example but you'll probably not care about how badly our system treats those wanting to be here both legal and illegal. I do not like our government being needlessly harsh because of the old adage: If they will do it to "them" they will do it to you.

Phobia is defined as an unreasonable fear of relatively harmless things, it fits.

.1. The Shutdown? Trump is trying to enforce the law and secure the border. That you blame HIM for the clash with those that are AGAINST that, shows your bias.

2. Our nation is overwhelmed with immigrants to the point that we are being forced to endure transformational change against our will. That our treatment of those doing this to US is only "HARSH" is a testimony to our very gentle natures.


YOu and yours are the ones tearing this nation apart by attacking your fellow Americans by falsely maligning their just positions and interests.

The numbers do not support this hyperbolic response by the republicans. There is nothing going on that has not been worse in the past when republicans didn't really give a shit. This "crisis" is a fiction, the only issue where Trump still has any political capital. He will lose on this one as well.

 

[IM2]

Dem's can't win on this issue defending illegals because illegals keep killing Americans.

Dems already won on this issue, bigly.

How so...they lost a national election because they didn’t run on “**** Wetbacks” and “Build That Wall” and the other guy did....hahaha

Actually he got fewer votes from the national citizenry.

 

[otto105]

It's weird, but Democrats seem totally ignorant of what most Americans think.

For example, while most Americans are Christian, Democrats mock and ridicule Christianity.

While most Americans love the American flag, Democrats mock and ridicule the American flag.

While most Americans love the military, Democrats mock and ridicule the military.

It makes no sense, but there you have it.

They've chosen to align with the very worst fringes of humanity.

They openly side with violent criminals.

They openly side with sexual perverts.

They openly side with foreign invaders.

Somehow, the Democrats have deluded themselves into believing that they can gain more votes, and more political support, from these extreme fringes, than they will lose by alienating the overwhelming mainstream majority of Americans by pandering to these fringes.

Mainstream Americans are waking up. We certainly saw this in 2016. Not so much in 2018, but just wait 'til 2020.

Unless they change course, drastically, the Democrats are on course, within the meager lifetime that I have left, to go politically extinct in most of the country.

2016 republics eeked out a win.

2018 got their asses kicked.

2020 if republics stay the trump course, will get their collected asses kicked.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Dem's can't win on this issue defending illegals because illegals keep killing Americans.

Dems already won on this issue, bigly.

How so...they lost a national election because they didn’t run on “**** Wetbacks” and “Build That Wall” and the other guy did....hahaha

Actually he got fewer votes from the national citizenry.

Only one candidate ran a campaign to win a meaningless popular vote....the other candidate is bitchslapping LefTards daily from the Oval Office....hahaha

 

[Correll]

When we have a population of illegals numbering in the millions, it is not a good balance, it is a ******* disaster.

That's a matter of opinion but we have already seen clear examples of what it does to our country when the fearmongers try to get all heartlessly militaristic on the problem. Trump is now spending the last of his political capital trying to appease the xenophobes.

What exactly do you think we have "seen" as a "clear example" of "what it dos to our country"?


Oh and calling what you don't like a phobia, is not a supporting argument. It is bullshit.

The shutdown is a very recent example but you'll probably not care about how badly our system treats those wanting to be here both legal and illegal. I do not like our government being needlessly harsh because of the old adage: If they will do it to "them" they will do it to you.

Phobia is defined as an unreasonable fear of relatively harmless things, it fits.

.1. The Shutdown? Trump is trying to enforce the law and secure the border. That you blame HIM for the clash with those that are AGAINST that, shows your bias.

2. Our nation is overwhelmed with immigrants to the point that we are being forced to endure transformational change against our will. That our treatment of those doing this to US is only "HARSH" is a testimony to our very gentle natures.


YOu and yours are the ones tearing this nation apart by attacking your fellow Americans by falsely maligning their just positions and interests.

The numbers do not support this hyperbolic response by the republicans. There is nothing going on that has not been worse in the past when republicans didn't really give a shit. This "crisis" is a fiction, the only issue where Trump still has any political capital. He will lose on this one as well.

The numbers do support a strong response. Estimates run as high as 30 million illegals. That is a huge ******* problem, and that many past and even current republicans are fine with that is not an argument that it is not a huge ******* problem.


UNLESS, you are arguing that republicans are not only perfect judges on what is good and bad, but that they are infallible and uncorruptible.


I dont' think that is your intent....

 

[BluesLegend]

Dem's can't win on this issue defending illegals because illegals keep killing Americans.

Dems already won on this issue, bigly.

How so...they lost a national election because they didn’t run on “**** Wetbacks” and “Build That Wall” and the other guy did....hahaha

Actually he got fewer votes from the national citizenry.

Trump won the popular vote in 49 states by 1 million votes. Only illegal infested California went big for Hillary.

 

[occupied]

That's a matter of opinion but we have already seen clear examples of what it does to our country when the fearmongers try to get all heartlessly militaristic on the problem. Trump is now spending the last of his political capital trying to appease the xenophobes.

What exactly do you think we have "seen" as a "clear example" of "what it dos to our country"?


Oh and calling what you don't like a phobia, is not a supporting argument. It is bullshit.

The shutdown is a very recent example but you'll probably not care about how badly our system treats those wanting to be here both legal and illegal. I do not like our government being needlessly harsh because of the old adage: If they will do it to "them" they will do it to you.

Phobia is defined as an unreasonable fear of relatively harmless things, it fits.

.1. The Shutdown? Trump is trying to enforce the law and secure the border. That you blame HIM for the clash with those that are AGAINST that, shows your bias.

2. Our nation is overwhelmed with immigrants to the point that we are being forced to endure transformational change against our will. That our treatment of those doing this to US is only "HARSH" is a testimony to our very gentle natures.


YOu and yours are the ones tearing this nation apart by attacking your fellow Americans by falsely maligning their just positions and interests.

The numbers do not support this hyperbolic response by the republicans. There is nothing going on that has not been worse in the past when republicans didn't really give a shit. This "crisis" is a fiction, the only issue where Trump still has any political capital. He will lose on this one as well.

The numbers do support a strong response. Estimates run as high as 30 million illegals. That is a huge ******* problem, and that many past and even current republicans are fine with that is not an argument that it is not a huge ******* problem.


UNLESS, you are arguing that republicans are not only perfect judges on what is good and bad, but that they are infallible and uncorruptible.


I dont' think that is your intent....

My intent was merely to show you what this looks like to someone who is not an alarmist. No old festering problem is ever a crisis. You've been duped and Trump will lose because he must lose.

 

[BrokeLoser]

What exactly do you think we have "seen" as a "clear example" of "what it dos to our country"?


Oh and calling what you don't like a phobia, is not a supporting argument. It is bullshit.

The shutdown is a very recent example but you'll probably not care about how badly our system treats those wanting to be here both legal and illegal. I do not like our government being needlessly harsh because of the old adage: If they will do it to "them" they will do it to you.

Phobia is defined as an unreasonable fear of relatively harmless things, it fits.

.1. The Shutdown? Trump is trying to enforce the law and secure the border. That you blame HIM for the clash with those that are AGAINST that, shows your bias.

2. Our nation is overwhelmed with immigrants to the point that we are being forced to endure transformational change against our will. That our treatment of those doing this to US is only "HARSH" is a testimony to our very gentle natures.


YOu and yours are the ones tearing this nation apart by attacking your fellow Americans by falsely maligning their just positions and interests.

The numbers do not support this hyperbolic response by the republicans. There is nothing going on that has not been worse in the past when republicans didn't really give a shit. This "crisis" is a fiction, the only issue where Trump still has any political capital. He will lose on this one as well.

The numbers do support a strong response. Estimates run as high as 30 million illegals. That is a huge ******* problem, and that many past and even current republicans are fine with that is not an argument that it is not a huge ******* problem.


UNLESS, you are arguing that republicans are not only perfect judges on what is good and bad, but that they are infallible and uncorruptible.


I dont' think that is your intent....

My intent was merely to show you what this looks like to someone who is not an alarmist. No old festering problem is ever a crisis. You've been duped and Trump will lose because he must lose.

Haha...an “alarmist”....WTF
How long can fools possibly keep their heads in their asses?
$21 trillion in debt, deficit spending like nobody’s business, 29 million illegal invaders dropping taxpayer dependent litters of pet humans at a cockroaches pace, homeless Vets pissing, shitting and dying in our streets daily, a middle class that can’t afford decent healthcare or save a dime and a exploding filthy, disgusting underclass like we’ve never seen before....
At what ******* point are you ignorant fools going to decide this issue is ALARMING?

 

[XponentialChaos]

Poll: Majorities oppose Trump's wall funding demand, call for compromise

 

[Norman]

Best estimate of illegals in the country yet: 20%.

 

[Correll]

What exactly do you think we have "seen" as a "clear example" of "what it dos to our country"?


Oh and calling what you don't like a phobia, is not a supporting argument. It is bullshit.

The shutdown is a very recent example but you'll probably not care about how badly our system treats those wanting to be here both legal and illegal. I do not like our government being needlessly harsh because of the old adage: If they will do it to "them" they will do it to you.

Phobia is defined as an unreasonable fear of relatively harmless things, it fits.

.1. The Shutdown? Trump is trying to enforce the law and secure the border. That you blame HIM for the clash with those that are AGAINST that, shows your bias.

2. Our nation is overwhelmed with immigrants to the point that we are being forced to endure transformational change against our will. That our treatment of those doing this to US is only "HARSH" is a testimony to our very gentle natures.


YOu and yours are the ones tearing this nation apart by attacking your fellow Americans by falsely maligning their just positions and interests.

The numbers do not support this hyperbolic response by the republicans. There is nothing going on that has not been worse in the past when republicans didn't really give a shit. This "crisis" is a fiction, the only issue where Trump still has any political capital. He will lose on this one as well.

The numbers do support a strong response. Estimates run as high as 30 million illegals. That is a huge ******* problem, and that many past and even current republicans are fine with that is not an argument that it is not a huge ******* problem.


UNLESS, you are arguing that republicans are not only perfect judges on what is good and bad, but that they are infallible and uncorruptible.


I dont' think that is your intent....

My intent was merely to show you what this looks like to someone who is not an alarmist. No old festering problem is ever a crisis. You've been duped and Trump will lose because he must lose.

I have not been duped. Tens of millions of unwanted foreigners living in our nation is a huge problem, and the fact that it has been festering unchecked is MORE reason to address it, not less.

If not now, when? When Texas turns purple? I'm sure you would like to address the problem then.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It's weird, but Democrats seem totally ignorant of what most Americans think.

For example, while most Americans are Christian, Democrats mock and ridicule Christianity.

While most Americans love the American flag, Democrats mock and ridicule the American flag.nt
-While most Americans love the military, Democrats mock and ridicule the military.

It makes no sense, but there you have it.

What makes no sense is your depiction of millions of Democrats all holding the same beliefs - clearly you've never secured a decent education.

The possibility of a disconnect between a party's leadership and it's membership is pretty obvious.


Indeed, it is not credible that you did not consider that.




Thus your ridicule is revealed to be a dishonest attempt at a logical fallacy of Argument by Ridicule, and not a serious point.

You are so full of shit you must have brown blood

You are dealing again with a moral question. You think it's serious because of the scare tactics you have been subjected to and I think it's serious on humanitarian grounds.

I was at this position on this issue well before any such "Scare tactics" were employed.


All you are doing is attacking my motivation for my position, so that you can avoid having to address the actual merits of mine.


That is intellectually dishonest.

Treating vulnerable people like garbage never made any situation better. Motivation is the main issue here. You cannot understand Americans caring about these horrible foreigners and I cannot simply put up with my government abandoning it's humanity.

NOt inviting people to come into our community is not "treating them like garbage".


I'v not invited you into my house. Do you feel I have treated you "like garbage"?

Apples & Agnostics - try again.

1. YOur pretense to not understand the concept of a gap between membership and leadership is you being full of shit, not me.


2. Not inviting people to come into our community is not "treating them like garbage".

1a. The comment was "Democrats", not the D leadership you lying piece of human excrement.

2a. This comment disregards normal human compassion. No one wants to allow persons not vetted to walk into the US and stay forever. That comment you make is another BIG LIE used by the Right - a set of people as dishonest as any person locked up in any jail or prison in America.

Trump&Co., and his fellow travelers, have treated immigrants, Democrats and in fact anyone who won't kiss the ass of Right Wing Conservatism as enemies of the state - a typical strategy of autocrats and autocracies.

 

[Correll]

It's weird, but Democrats seem totally ignorant of what most Americans think.

For example, while most Americans are Christian, Democrats mock and ridicule Christianity.

While most Americans love the American flag, Democrats mock and ridicule the American flag.nt
-While most Americans love the military, Democrats mock and ridicule the military.

It makes no sense, but there you have it.

What makes no sense is your depiction of millions of Democrats all holding the same beliefs - clearly you've never secured a decent education.

The possibility of a disconnect between a party's leadership and it's membership is pretty obvious.


Indeed, it is not credible that you did not consider that.




Thus your ridicule is revealed to be a dishonest attempt at a logical fallacy of Argument by Ridicule, and not a serious point.

You are so full of shit you must have brown blood

I was at this position on this issue well before any such "Scare tactics" were employed.


All you are doing is attacking my motivation for my position, so that you can avoid having to address the actual merits of mine.


That is intellectually dishonest.

Treating vulnerable people like garbage never made any situation better. Motivation is the main issue here. You cannot understand Americans caring about these horrible foreigners and I cannot simply put up with my government abandoning it's humanity.

NOt inviting people to come into our community is not "treating them like garbage".


I'v not invited you into my house. Do you feel I have treated you "like garbage"?

Apples & Agnostics - try again.

1. YOur pretense to not understand the concept of a gap between membership and leadership is you being full of shit, not me.


2. Not inviting people to come into our community is not "treating them like garbage".

1a. The comment was "Democrats", not the D leadership you lying piece of human excrement.

2a. This comment disregards normal human compassion. No one wants to allow persons not vetted to walk into the US and stay forever. That comment you make is another BIG LIE used by the Right - a set of people as dishonest as any person locked up in any jail or prison in America.

Trump&Co., and his fellow travelers, have treated immigrants, Democrats and in fact anyone who won't kiss the ass of Right Wing Conservatism as enemies of the state - a typical strategy of autocrats and autocracies.

1a Real people don't talk as though a lawyer is going to go over their words with ill intent. This has been explained to you before. A gap between leadership and/or partisans, as described by their actions, and the bulk of Dem party members is not an unreasonable claim. Your pretense otherwise is a lie.


2a The Left (and the Right) have been allowing that for years, as attested to by the Millions upon millions of illegals who have done just that, and whom the Left (and many on the right) want to give amnesty to, ie let them stay forever. You are the piece of human shit lying about what this is about.



You libtards and your fellow travelers have treated anyone that does not kiss the ass of Left Wing Ideology and Agenda, as counter revolutionaries to be destroyed or at least silenced and marginalized, a typical strategy of communists and other totalitarian tyrants.

 

[Unkotare]

It's weird, but Democrats seem totally ignorant of what most Americans think.

For example, while most Americans are Christian, Democrats mock and ridicule Christianity.

While most Americans love the American flag, Democrats mock and ridicule the American flag.

While most Americans love the military, Democrats mock and ridicule the military.

It makes no sense, but there you have it.

It makes perfect sense to them. The democrats are just doing what they always do: repeating lies until the most weak-minded accept them and respond as desired.

 

[Unkotare]

Illegal immigration is a serious problem, that is not in dispute....

Liberals dispute it all the time.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

It's weird, but Democrats seem totally ignorant of what most Americans think.

For example, while most Americans are Christian, Democrats mock and ridicule Christianity.

While most Americans love the American flag, Democrats mock and ridicule the American flag.

While most Americans love the military, Democrats mock and ridicule the military.

It makes no sense, but there you have it.

Sure, the Democratic Party was so out of touch that they Blue Waved the trumpster party in the last election.

LOL.....
Opinion | If the midterms were a referendum, Trump won

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

It's weird, but Democrats seem totally ignorant of what most Americans think.

For example, while most Americans are Christian, Democrats mock and ridicule Christianity.

While most Americans love the American flag, Democrats mock and ridicule the American flag.

While most Americans love the military, Democrats mock and ridicule the military.

It makes no sense, but there you have it.

They've chosen to align with the very worst fringes of humanity.

They openly side with violent criminals.

They openly side with sexual perverts.

They openly side with foreign invaders.

Somehow, the Democrats have deluded themselves into believing that they can gain more votes, and more political support, from these extreme fringes, than they will lose by alienating the overwhelming mainstream majority of Americans by pandering to these fringes.

Mainstream Americans are waking up. We certainly saw this in 2016. Not so much in 2018, but just wait 'til 2020.

Unless they change course, drastically, the Democrats are on course, within the meager lifetime that I have left, to go politically extinct in most of the country.

2016 republics eeked out a win.

2018 got their asses kicked.

2020 if republics stay the trump course, will get their collected asses kicked.

Wrong....dems did historically bad actually.

Opinion | If the midterms were a referendum, Trump won

 

[g5000]

Trump has nothing to lose holding his position. Democrats are too stupid to realize they’ve been drawn into a trap screaming for open borders as the 2020 campaign kicks off.

Poll: 8-in-10 call illegal immigration a ‘problem,’ 58% say ‘serious.’

And yet 80 percent of Americans believe illegals should have a path to legal status and/or citizenship.

 

[g5000]

Trump has nothing to lose holding his position. Democrats are too stupid to realize they’ve been drawn into a trap screaming for open borders as the 2020 campaign kicks off.

Poll: 8-in-10 call illegal immigration a ‘problem,’ 58% say ‘serious.’

That same poll asked how people felt Trump was handling immigration:

That's a higher disapproval than on the subject of terrorism! And taxes!

 

[g5000]

Trump has nothing to lose holding his position. Democrats are too stupid to realize they’ve been drawn into a trap screaming for open borders as the 2020 campaign kicks off.

Poll: 8-in-10 call illegal immigration a ‘problem,’ 58% say ‘serious.’

Same poll, more than twice as many people feel Trump is dishonest than those who think he's honest.

It's pretty pathetic only ONE-FIFTH of Americans think our President is honest.

Nothing to lose, eh?