Political Competition. It's coming to your state..

[flacaltenn]

Race for US Senate seat in Alaska against incumbent Murkowski (R) had a Democratic, Libertarian and several fairly high scoring Independents. As a result, the Libertarian won almost 30% of the vote. Just 15 points behind the incumbent.

Murkowski escaped with just 44% of the vote. Libertarian topped the Dem challenger.

This is why the LParty is gonna focus on every Congressional race that either the Reps or Dems leave abandoned. This is 12 to 15% of the available seats in every election. If our numbers are going up in races with 2 party + Indies, they are only gonna get higher in races where one of the Name Brand parties gives up and disenfranchises their voters.

US Senate Results for Alaska - Bing

Joe Miller Shatters Libertarian US Senate Record While 8 Others Set New State Party Marks | Smart Politics

“The Tea Party favorite was an 11th hour recruit by the Libertarian Party in September 2016 and his brief, two-month campaign won him an impressive 29.4 percent of the vote in the general election – 14.9 points behind Senator Murkowski.

“Miller not only far exceeded his polling numbers (which usually had him in the mid- to high teens), but he demolished his party’s mark for its all-time best showing in a race for the office.

“Going into the 2016 cycle, the most support ever received by a Libertarian U.S. Senate nominee was the 18.4 percent claimed by Michael Cloud in Massachusetts 2002 election won by John Kerry. However, Kerry and Cloud did not face a Republican opponent in that race.”

“Miller, however, faced a full slate of candidates. In addition to Murkowski, Miller was opposed by a Democratic nominee (Ray Metcalf, 11.1 percent) as well as an independent candidate who had the support of some prominent Alaska Democrats (Margaret Stock, 13.7 percent). Two other independents were also on the ballot (Breck Craig and Ted Gianoutsos).

“The previous high water mark for a Libertarian U.S. Senate candidate in an election in which both major parties fielded a nominee was set by Carla Howell of Massachusetts in 2000.”

Libertarian U.S. Senate candidates outperformed their party’s presidential nominee, Gary Johnson, in seven states: Alaska, Arkansas, Kansas, Indiana, Georgia, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania.

Joe Miller was the Tea Party Republican who defeated Murkowski in the 2010 Republican primary....

He did worse as a Libertarian than he did as the Republican nominee who lost to a write-in candidate...

She's been the Senator since 2008 election. Confused by that.

Oh ---- nevermind. That was the strange deal where Murkowski came back as a write-in and won... One of those reasons to KEEP write-ins as a choice on ballots. Not like Cali -- who no longer ALLOWS write-ins in the General election.......

Is that true about California? No write ins???

Just posted a thread earlier this week about California's sinister and arrogant "Top Two Primary" law. You need to read it..

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15950982/

What is does is make the General Elections a sham show for only 2 candidates. No other ballot access, no independents, no write-ins..

 

[flacaltenn]

Miller had name recognition as well. I wish Alaska would become independent. I remember when he beat her in a primary....loved that then that evil woman won as a write in....Libertarian's should have run Miller as their presidential candidate might have done better than that clown duo of the 2 fake libertarians especially that idiot VP candidate.

Guys like Miller need to be tested tho. When I wrote this OP, I was waiting for the 1st lefty zealot to show up and bitch about his Tea Party credentials. As tho the LP and TP are the same. Far from it. The system is -- we'll take folks word that they will GOVERN as Libertarians. So Miller is welcome to run for us if he seriously INTENDS and actually accepts our more "liberal" social policy and inclusiveness. Means he needs to get serious about Civil Liberties and Rights. IF NOT --- it's simple -- A guy like Miller will not GET a Libertarian nomination for his re-election. We would "primary him out" in the caucuses that the LP conducts. And he'd have to find a different affiliation to continue his seat..

We would welcome Bernie Sanders since we agree with HIM on 50% of stuff like foreign policy, govt/corporate collusion, justice reform, etc. But Bernie would have to GOVERN from a fiscally conservative position. Or he would meet the same fate.

These are the DEALS -- based on principles -- that are gonna change the tone and course of politics in America. Aint gonna be about scandals, and tweets, and grabbing junk anymore..

 

[whitehall]

"Political competition" like in the laughable presidential campaign of the pot head libertarians? Bring it on.

Matter of months before all the 2 party zealots are the political minority in this country. Being a Libertarian means supporting things ON PRINCIPLE --- even if you DETEST other people choices. Because true freedom and liberty are built on tolerance. Tolerance means "allowing others choices YOU wouldn't make".. So it's no wonder you're still calling Libertarians "potheads". We support decriminization, because the jails are full of non-violent "potheads" and YOUR PLAN does not work.. And if you haven't noticed, a full 1/3 of America now lives in states with greatly liberalized pot policy.

We were just 20 years AHEAD of the nation. On pot. But MORE IMPORTANTLY, on foreign policy, on Civil Liberties, on Social Inclusion, on Govt/Corporate collusion, and MANY MORE important issues.

Yuck it up while you can. If I ever smoke pot again, I'll light one up for you as my "sorry to see you go"..

Pot heads, I rest my case.

 

[Kosh]

Miller had name recognition as well. I wish Alaska would become independent. I remember when he beat her in a primary....loved that then that evil woman won as a write in....Libertarian's should have run Miller as their presidential candidate might have done better than that clown duo of the 2 fake libertarians especially that idiot VP candidate.

Guys like Miller need to be tested tho. When I wrote this OP, I was waiting for the 1st lefty zealot to show up and bitch about his Tea Party credentials. As tho the LP and TP are the same. Far from it. The system is -- we'll take folks word that they will GOVERN as Libertarians. So Miller is welcome to run for us if he seriously INTENDS and actually accepts our more "liberal" social policy and inclusiveness. Means he needs to get serious about Civil Liberties and Rights. IF NOT --- it's simple -- A guy like Miller will not GET a Libertarian nomination for his re-election. We would "primary him out" in the caucuses that the LP conducts. And he'd have to find a different affiliation to continue his seat..

We would welcome Bernie Sanders since we agree with HIM on 50% of stuff like foreign policy, govt/corporate collusion, justice reform, etc. But Bernie would have to GOVERN from a fiscally conservative position. Or he would meet the same fate.

These are the DEALS -- based on principles -- that are gonna change the tone and course of politics in America. Aint gonna be about scandals, and tweets, and grabbing junk anymore..

Well you do not really agree with the specifics of Bernie Sanders, just the over all principles. As Bernie is a Socialist! I doubt you support socialism on the level that Bernie does, not even 50% of what Bernie does.

 

[Treeshepherd]

I have specific disagreements with Rand Paul, but he would have been my first choice for POTUS. My basic disagreements tend to be where he seems to accommodate Republican doctrine over libertarianism.

But I like his anti-war, anti-interventionist, government accountability views.

 

[Kosh]

I have specific disagreements with Rand Paul, but he would have been my first choice for POTUS. My basic disagreements tend to be where he seems to accommodate Republican doctrine over libertarianism.

But I like his anti-war, anti-interventionist, government accountability views.

I would much rather see Rand Paul as a Republican than Democrat!

And I agree the Fed should be audited!

 

[Treeshepherd]

I have specific disagreements with Rand Paul, but he would have been my first choice for POTUS. My basic disagreements tend to be where he seems to accommodate Republican doctrine over libertarianism.

But I like his anti-war, anti-interventionist, government accountability views.

I would much rather see Rand Paul as a Republican than Democrat!

And I agree the Fed should be audited!

I think he's too reasonable to get attention, and he's like 4 feet tall.

 

[Kosh]

I have specific disagreements with Rand Paul, but he would have been my first choice for POTUS. My basic disagreements tend to be where he seems to accommodate Republican doctrine over libertarianism.

But I like his anti-war, anti-interventionist, government accountability views.

I would much rather see Rand Paul as a Republican than Democrat!

And I agree the Fed should be audited!

I think he's too reasonable to get attention, and he's like 4 feet tall.

Actually he was able to get the youth to support him, so there still may be hope for him..

The establishment does not like him because he wants to hold the Fed accountable!

 

[flacaltenn]

Miller had name recognition as well. I wish Alaska would become independent. I remember when he beat her in a primary....loved that then that evil woman won as a write in....Libertarian's should have run Miller as their presidential candidate might have done better than that clown duo of the 2 fake libertarians especially that idiot VP candidate.

Guys like Miller need to be tested tho. When I wrote this OP, I was waiting for the 1st lefty zealot to show up and bitch about his Tea Party credentials. As tho the LP and TP are the same. Far from it. The system is -- we'll take folks word that they will GOVERN as Libertarians. So Miller is welcome to run for us if he seriously INTENDS and actually accepts our more "liberal" social policy and inclusiveness. Means he needs to get serious about Civil Liberties and Rights. IF NOT --- it's simple -- A guy like Miller will not GET a Libertarian nomination for his re-election. We would "primary him out" in the caucuses that the LP conducts. And he'd have to find a different affiliation to continue his seat..

We would welcome Bernie Sanders since we agree with HIM on 50% of stuff like foreign policy, govt/corporate collusion, justice reform, etc. But Bernie would have to GOVERN from a fiscally conservative position. Or he would meet the same fate.

These are the DEALS -- based on principles -- that are gonna change the tone and course of politics in America. Aint gonna be about scandals, and tweets, and grabbing junk anymore..

Well you do not really agree with the specifics of Bernie Sanders, just the over all principles. As Bernie is a Socialist! I doubt you support socialism on the level that Bernie does, not even 50% of what Bernie does.

That's part of the political polarization that the 2 parties have ingrained in you. That political parties are all about opposition and hatred of the other. Bernie may be a Socialist. May not have a CLUE how Capitalism or the economy actually works. BUT -- I agree with him on foreign policy (mostly). Agree that govt/Corporate collusion MUST END NOW in order to restore ethical capitalism, Agree on Civil Liberties like gross mods on the Patriotic Act, Asset forfeiture, criminal justice reform, and on honoring ALL of the 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights.

You may be missing understanding the players by relying on simple labels.

This is why the 2 parties are losing it. They only stand for WINNING. It's a sporting event. And folks oppose each other on the basis of their gang colors and phony slogans. Meantime -- the world of policy innovation, principles, issue discussion are ALL migrating to alternative politics. Forget the alt-right -- they could ALL meet at any Denny's. It's the Alt-Politics people that are gonna be the majority and the competitors --- very soon.. .

 

[Kosh]

Miller had name recognition as well. I wish Alaska would become independent. I remember when he beat her in a primary....loved that then that evil woman won as a write in....Libertarian's should have run Miller as their presidential candidate might have done better than that clown duo of the 2 fake libertarians especially that idiot VP candidate.

Guys like Miller need to be tested tho. When I wrote this OP, I was waiting for the 1st lefty zealot to show up and bitch about his Tea Party credentials. As tho the LP and TP are the same. Far from it. The system is -- we'll take folks word that they will GOVERN as Libertarians. So Miller is welcome to run for us if he seriously INTENDS and actually accepts our more "liberal" social policy and inclusiveness. Means he needs to get serious about Civil Liberties and Rights. IF NOT --- it's simple -- A guy like Miller will not GET a Libertarian nomination for his re-election. We would "primary him out" in the caucuses that the LP conducts. And he'd have to find a different affiliation to continue his seat..

We would welcome Bernie Sanders since we agree with HIM on 50% of stuff like foreign policy, govt/corporate collusion, justice reform, etc. But Bernie would have to GOVERN from a fiscally conservative position. Or he would meet the same fate.

These are the DEALS -- based on principles -- that are gonna change the tone and course of politics in America. Aint gonna be about scandals, and tweets, and grabbing junk anymore..

Well you do not really agree with the specifics of Bernie Sanders, just the over all principles. As Bernie is a Socialist! I doubt you support socialism on the level that Bernie does, not even 50% of what Bernie does.

That's part of the political polarization that the 2 parties have ingrained in you. That political parties are all about opposition and hatred of the other. Bernie may be a Socialist. May not have a CLUE how Capitalism or the economy actually works. BUT -- I agree with him on foreign policy (mostly). Agree that govt/Corporate collusion MUST END NOW in order to restore ethical capitalism, Agree on Civil Liberties like gross mods on the Patriotic Act, Asset forfeiture, criminal justice reform, and on honoring ALL of the 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights.

You may be missing understanding the players by relying on simple labels.

This is why the 2 parties are losing it. They only stand for WINNING. It's a sporting event. And folks oppose each other on the basis of their gang colors and phony slogans. Meantime -- the world of policy innovation, principles, issue discussion are ALL migrating to alternative politics. Forget the alt-right -- they could ALL meet at any Denny's. It's the Alt-Politics people that are gonna be the majority and the competitors --- very soon.. .

You can not end govt/Corporate collusion, it is not possible.

Criminal justice reform is a broad subject, you should really look at what Bernie means by this!

It is like saying you are against Healthcare reform when referring to Obamacare!

 

[flacaltenn]

Miller had name recognition as well. I wish Alaska would become independent. I remember when he beat her in a primary....loved that then that evil woman won as a write in....Libertarian's should have run Miller as their presidential candidate might have done better than that clown duo of the 2 fake libertarians especially that idiot VP candidate.

Guys like Miller need to be tested tho. When I wrote this OP, I was waiting for the 1st lefty zealot to show up and bitch about his Tea Party credentials. As tho the LP and TP are the same. Far from it. The system is -- we'll take folks word that they will GOVERN as Libertarians. So Miller is welcome to run for us if he seriously INTENDS and actually accepts our more "liberal" social policy and inclusiveness. Means he needs to get serious about Civil Liberties and Rights. IF NOT --- it's simple -- A guy like Miller will not GET a Libertarian nomination for his re-election. We would "primary him out" in the caucuses that the LP conducts. And he'd have to find a different affiliation to continue his seat..

We would welcome Bernie Sanders since we agree with HIM on 50% of stuff like foreign policy, govt/corporate collusion, justice reform, etc. But Bernie would have to GOVERN from a fiscally conservative position. Or he would meet the same fate.

These are the DEALS -- based on principles -- that are gonna change the tone and course of politics in America. Aint gonna be about scandals, and tweets, and grabbing junk anymore..

Well you do not really agree with the specifics of Bernie Sanders, just the over all principles. As Bernie is a Socialist! I doubt you support socialism on the level that Bernie does, not even 50% of what Bernie does.

That's part of the political polarization that the 2 parties have ingrained in you. That political parties are all about opposition and hatred of the other. Bernie may be a Socialist. May not have a CLUE how Capitalism or the economy actually works. BUT -- I agree with him on foreign policy (mostly). Agree that govt/Corporate collusion MUST END NOW in order to restore ethical capitalism, Agree on Civil Liberties like gross mods on the Patriotic Act, Asset forfeiture, criminal justice reform, and on honoring ALL of the 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights.

You may be missing understanding the players by relying on simple labels.

This is why the 2 parties are losing it. They only stand for WINNING. It's a sporting event. And folks oppose each other on the basis of their gang colors and phony slogans. Meantime -- the world of policy innovation, principles, issue discussion are ALL migrating to alternative politics. Forget the alt-right -- they could ALL meet at any Denny's. It's the Alt-Politics people that are gonna be the majority and the competitors --- very soon.. .

You can not end govt/Corporate collusion, it is not possible.

Criminal justice reform is a broad subject, you should really look at what Bernie means by this!

It is like saying you are against Healthcare reform when referring to Obamacare!

Ending govt/Corp collusion is easier than any Dem or Repub politician would lead you to believe. The Fed govt should NEVER be making legislation or handouts to the benefit of JUST ONE COMPETITOR in a particular marketplace. You could end MOST of it by passing a law restricting Congress from subsidizing or providing loans or targeted tax subsidies or tax credits for "ANY PRODUCT OR SERVICE that already EXISTS in a marketplace" .. GE and dozens of major corporations would finally start paying more than ZERO taxes the following year.

And Elan Musk would have to start MAKING money and build cars for folks who are not 1% ers.

 

[Kosh]

Miller had name recognition as well. I wish Alaska would become independent. I remember when he beat her in a primary....loved that then that evil woman won as a write in....Libertarian's should have run Miller as their presidential candidate might have done better than that clown duo of the 2 fake libertarians especially that idiot VP candidate.

Guys like Miller need to be tested tho. When I wrote this OP, I was waiting for the 1st lefty zealot to show up and bitch about his Tea Party credentials. As tho the LP and TP are the same. Far from it. The system is -- we'll take folks word that they will GOVERN as Libertarians. So Miller is welcome to run for us if he seriously INTENDS and actually accepts our more "liberal" social policy and inclusiveness. Means he needs to get serious about Civil Liberties and Rights. IF NOT --- it's simple -- A guy like Miller will not GET a Libertarian nomination for his re-election. We would "primary him out" in the caucuses that the LP conducts. And he'd have to find a different affiliation to continue his seat..

We would welcome Bernie Sanders since we agree with HIM on 50% of stuff like foreign policy, govt/corporate collusion, justice reform, etc. But Bernie would have to GOVERN from a fiscally conservative position. Or he would meet the same fate.

These are the DEALS -- based on principles -- that are gonna change the tone and course of politics in America. Aint gonna be about scandals, and tweets, and grabbing junk anymore..

Well you do not really agree with the specifics of Bernie Sanders, just the over all principles. As Bernie is a Socialist! I doubt you support socialism on the level that Bernie does, not even 50% of what Bernie does.

That's part of the political polarization that the 2 parties have ingrained in you. That political parties are all about opposition and hatred of the other. Bernie may be a Socialist. May not have a CLUE how Capitalism or the economy actually works. BUT -- I agree with him on foreign policy (mostly). Agree that govt/Corporate collusion MUST END NOW in order to restore ethical capitalism, Agree on Civil Liberties like gross mods on the Patriotic Act, Asset forfeiture, criminal justice reform, and on honoring ALL of the 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights.

You may be missing understanding the players by relying on simple labels.

This is why the 2 parties are losing it. They only stand for WINNING. It's a sporting event. And folks oppose each other on the basis of their gang colors and phony slogans. Meantime -- the world of policy innovation, principles, issue discussion are ALL migrating to alternative politics. Forget the alt-right -- they could ALL meet at any Denny's. It's the Alt-Politics people that are gonna be the majority and the competitors --- very soon.. .

You can not end govt/Corporate collusion, it is not possible.

Criminal justice reform is a broad subject, you should really look at what Bernie means by this!

It is like saying you are against Healthcare reform when referring to Obamacare!

Ending govt/Corp collusion is easier than any Dem or Repub politician would lead you to believe. The Fed govt should NEVER be making legislation or handouts to the benefit of JUST ONE COMPETITOR in a particular marketplace. You could end MOST of it by passing a law restricting Congress from subsidizing or providing loans or targeted tax subsidies or tax credits for "ANY PRODUCT OR SERVICE that already EXISTS in a marketplace" .. GE and dozens of major corporations would finally start paying more than ZERO taxes the following year.

If not for those tax breaks, such as in the oil subsidizes that Carter started in the late 70's things would be a lot different.

Also the government does rely on private sector companies to supply them with goods and services, there is no way to stop the collusion!

Without the tax breaks and subsidizes the space race would have never happened.

Without those the economy would be in worse shape and nothing would be manufactured in the US..

 

[flacaltenn]

Guys like Miller need to be tested tho. When I wrote this OP, I was waiting for the 1st lefty zealot to show up and bitch about his Tea Party credentials. As tho the LP and TP are the same. Far from it. The system is -- we'll take folks word that they will GOVERN as Libertarians. So Miller is welcome to run for us if he seriously INTENDS and actually accepts our more "liberal" social policy and inclusiveness. Means he needs to get serious about Civil Liberties and Rights. IF NOT --- it's simple -- A guy like Miller will not GET a Libertarian nomination for his re-election. We would "primary him out" in the caucuses that the LP conducts. And he'd have to find a different affiliation to continue his seat..

We would welcome Bernie Sanders since we agree with HIM on 50% of stuff like foreign policy, govt/corporate collusion, justice reform, etc. But Bernie would have to GOVERN from a fiscally conservative position. Or he would meet the same fate.

These are the DEALS -- based on principles -- that are gonna change the tone and course of politics in America. Aint gonna be about scandals, and tweets, and grabbing junk anymore..

Well you do not really agree with the specifics of Bernie Sanders, just the over all principles. As Bernie is a Socialist! I doubt you support socialism on the level that Bernie does, not even 50% of what Bernie does.

That's part of the political polarization that the 2 parties have ingrained in you. That political parties are all about opposition and hatred of the other. Bernie may be a Socialist. May not have a CLUE how Capitalism or the economy actually works. BUT -- I agree with him on foreign policy (mostly). Agree that govt/Corporate collusion MUST END NOW in order to restore ethical capitalism, Agree on Civil Liberties like gross mods on the Patriotic Act, Asset forfeiture, criminal justice reform, and on honoring ALL of the 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights.

You may be missing understanding the players by relying on simple labels.

This is why the 2 parties are losing it. They only stand for WINNING. It's a sporting event. And folks oppose each other on the basis of their gang colors and phony slogans. Meantime -- the world of policy innovation, principles, issue discussion are ALL migrating to alternative politics. Forget the alt-right -- they could ALL meet at any Denny's. It's the Alt-Politics people that are gonna be the majority and the competitors --- very soon.. .

You can not end govt/Corporate collusion, it is not possible.

Criminal justice reform is a broad subject, you should really look at what Bernie means by this!

It is like saying you are against Healthcare reform when referring to Obamacare!

Ending govt/Corp collusion is easier than any Dem or Repub politician would lead you to believe. The Fed govt should NEVER be making legislation or handouts to the benefit of JUST ONE COMPETITOR in a particular marketplace. You could end MOST of it by passing a law restricting Congress from subsidizing or providing loans or targeted tax subsidies or tax credits for "ANY PRODUCT OR SERVICE that already EXISTS in a marketplace" .. GE and dozens of major corporations would finally start paying more than ZERO taxes the following year.

If not for those tax breaks, such as in the oil subsidizes that Carter started in the late 70's things would be a lot different.

Also the government does rely on private sector companies to supply them with goods and services, there is no way to stop the collusion!

Without the tax breaks and subsidizes the space race would have never happened.

Without those the economy would be in worse shape and nothing would be manufactured in the US..

The govt PURCHASING things is much different than giving GE $50 tax credit for every "energy efficient" appliance that they sell. And the oil companies are largely NOT subsidized. THey are hired to do oil exploration on publicly held lands and get the SAME tax breaks (generally) that EVERY corporation does. We're talking about the govt "investing" in products and services that are already products on the market.

The 2 name brand parties don't WANT to fix this. Because it builds their power and influence to keep this collusion going.

 

[Kosh]

Well you do not really agree with the specifics of Bernie Sanders, just the over all principles. As Bernie is a Socialist! I doubt you support socialism on the level that Bernie does, not even 50% of what Bernie does.

That's part of the political polarization that the 2 parties have ingrained in you. That political parties are all about opposition and hatred of the other. Bernie may be a Socialist. May not have a CLUE how Capitalism or the economy actually works. BUT -- I agree with him on foreign policy (mostly). Agree that govt/Corporate collusion MUST END NOW in order to restore ethical capitalism, Agree on Civil Liberties like gross mods on the Patriotic Act, Asset forfeiture, criminal justice reform, and on honoring ALL of the 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights.

You may be missing understanding the players by relying on simple labels.

This is why the 2 parties are losing it. They only stand for WINNING. It's a sporting event. And folks oppose each other on the basis of their gang colors and phony slogans. Meantime -- the world of policy innovation, principles, issue discussion are ALL migrating to alternative politics. Forget the alt-right -- they could ALL meet at any Denny's. It's the Alt-Politics people that are gonna be the majority and the competitors --- very soon.. .

You can not end govt/Corporate collusion, it is not possible.

Criminal justice reform is a broad subject, you should really look at what Bernie means by this!

It is like saying you are against Healthcare reform when referring to Obamacare!

Ending govt/Corp collusion is easier than any Dem or Repub politician would lead you to believe. The Fed govt should NEVER be making legislation or handouts to the benefit of JUST ONE COMPETITOR in a particular marketplace. You could end MOST of it by passing a law restricting Congress from subsidizing or providing loans or targeted tax subsidies or tax credits for "ANY PRODUCT OR SERVICE that already EXISTS in a marketplace" .. GE and dozens of major corporations would finally start paying more than ZERO taxes the following year.

If not for those tax breaks, such as in the oil subsidizes that Carter started in the late 70's things would be a lot different.

Also the government does rely on private sector companies to supply them with goods and services, there is no way to stop the collusion!

Without the tax breaks and subsidizes the space race would have never happened.

Without those the economy would be in worse shape and nothing would be manufactured in the US..

The govt PURCHASING things is much different than giving GE $50 tax credit for every "energy efficient" appliance that they sell. And the oil companies are largely NOT subsidized. THey are hired to do oil exploration on publicly held lands and get the SAME tax breaks (generally) that EVERY corporation does. We're talking about the govt "investing" in products and services that are already products on the market.

The 2 name brand parties don't WANT to fix this. Because it builds their power and influence to keep this collusion going.

No it lines their pockets so they can run their billion dollar campaigns..

Had McCain been elected, he would have pushed for Campaign finance reform..

So you see you limit what the Washington cartel can spend the rest will fix itself..

Just like the party of the people, the democrats, bailed out Wall Street and the banks and they ignored the people they claim to be for.

 

[flacaltenn]

That's part of the political polarization that the 2 parties have ingrained in you. That political parties are all about opposition and hatred of the other. Bernie may be a Socialist. May not have a CLUE how Capitalism or the economy actually works. BUT -- I agree with him on foreign policy (mostly). Agree that govt/Corporate collusion MUST END NOW in order to restore ethical capitalism, Agree on Civil Liberties like gross mods on the Patriotic Act, Asset forfeiture, criminal justice reform, and on honoring ALL of the 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights.

You may be missing understanding the players by relying on simple labels.

This is why the 2 parties are losing it. They only stand for WINNING. It's a sporting event. And folks oppose each other on the basis of their gang colors and phony slogans. Meantime -- the world of policy innovation, principles, issue discussion are ALL migrating to alternative politics. Forget the alt-right -- they could ALL meet at any Denny's. It's the Alt-Politics people that are gonna be the majority and the competitors --- very soon.. .

You can not end govt/Corporate collusion, it is not possible.

Criminal justice reform is a broad subject, you should really look at what Bernie means by this!

It is like saying you are against Healthcare reform when referring to Obamacare!

Ending govt/Corp collusion is easier than any Dem or Repub politician would lead you to believe. The Fed govt should NEVER be making legislation or handouts to the benefit of JUST ONE COMPETITOR in a particular marketplace. You could end MOST of it by passing a law restricting Congress from subsidizing or providing loans or targeted tax subsidies or tax credits for "ANY PRODUCT OR SERVICE that already EXISTS in a marketplace" .. GE and dozens of major corporations would finally start paying more than ZERO taxes the following year.

If not for those tax breaks, such as in the oil subsidizes that Carter started in the late 70's things would be a lot different.

Also the government does rely on private sector companies to supply them with goods and services, there is no way to stop the collusion!

Without the tax breaks and subsidizes the space race would have never happened.

Without those the economy would be in worse shape and nothing would be manufactured in the US..

The govt PURCHASING things is much different than giving GE $50 tax credit for every "energy efficient" appliance that they sell. And the oil companies are largely NOT subsidized. THey are hired to do oil exploration on publicly held lands and get the SAME tax breaks (generally) that EVERY corporation does. We're talking about the govt "investing" in products and services that are already products on the market.

The 2 name brand parties don't WANT to fix this. Because it builds their power and influence to keep this collusion going.

No it lines their pockets so they can run their billion dollar campaigns..

Had McCain been elected, he would have pushed for Campaign finance reform..

So you see you limit what the Washington cartel can spend the rest will fix itself..

Just like the party of the people, the democrats, bailed out Wall Street and the banks and the people they claim to be for.

You need people who are not just focused on winning. You need humble people who are there to serve and fix problems. That's what the new Independent movement brings. Then NONE of that is "hard" or impossible anymore. The 2 parties USE govt/collusion -- like you said -- to increase their power to dole out favors and receive benefits in return..

 

[Kosh]

You can not end govt/Corporate collusion, it is not possible.

Criminal justice reform is a broad subject, you should really look at what Bernie means by this!

It is like saying you are against Healthcare reform when referring to Obamacare!

Ending govt/Corp collusion is easier than any Dem or Repub politician would lead you to believe. The Fed govt should NEVER be making legislation or handouts to the benefit of JUST ONE COMPETITOR in a particular marketplace. You could end MOST of it by passing a law restricting Congress from subsidizing or providing loans or targeted tax subsidies or tax credits for "ANY PRODUCT OR SERVICE that already EXISTS in a marketplace" .. GE and dozens of major corporations would finally start paying more than ZERO taxes the following year.

If not for those tax breaks, such as in the oil subsidizes that Carter started in the late 70's things would be a lot different.

Also the government does rely on private sector companies to supply them with goods and services, there is no way to stop the collusion!

Without the tax breaks and subsidizes the space race would have never happened.

Without those the economy would be in worse shape and nothing would be manufactured in the US..

The govt PURCHASING things is much different than giving GE $50 tax credit for every "energy efficient" appliance that they sell. And the oil companies are largely NOT subsidized. THey are hired to do oil exploration on publicly held lands and get the SAME tax breaks (generally) that EVERY corporation does. We're talking about the govt "investing" in products and services that are already products on the market.

The 2 name brand parties don't WANT to fix this. Because it builds their power and influence to keep this collusion going.

No it lines their pockets so they can run their billion dollar campaigns..

Had McCain been elected, he would have pushed for Campaign finance reform..

So you see you limit what the Washington cartel can spend the rest will fix itself..

Just like the party of the people, the democrats, bailed out Wall Street and the banks and the people they claim to be for.

You need people who are not just focused on winning. You need humble people who are there to serve and fix problems. That's what the new Independent movement brings. Then NONE of that is "hard" or impossible anymore. The 2 parties USE govt/collusion -- like you said -- to increase their power to dole out favors and receive benefits in return..

Of course it is "hard" to stop the collusion, corporations will always have the upperhand.

Money is power!

Money is needed to a party regardless of affiliation!

Ask Bernie if he also means that the DNC should stop taking money from Unions and see what he says!