Police Body Camera Footage Proves George Floyd Was Not "Murdered"

[mikegriffith1]

Prove he went to see little boys.

Uh, he went down to a sex tourism spot with a bottle of viagra.

Draw your own conclusions.

Not to mention he was arrested in 1973 for soliciting a male prostitute.

Not to mention he was classified 4F by the military for an anal cyst, a common condition for gay men.

Was Jeff Christie (Rush Limbaugh) picked up for lewd behavior with another man?

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FYI. The title of this thread:
Police Body Camera Footage Proves George Floyd Was Not "Murdered"

Just saying

I agree. George Floyd should have gotten the same consideration that Rush Limbaugh got. While I would be amused to have seen a cop put a knee to Limbaugh's neck for 9 minutes, that would be a bad thing.

I know you don't care about facts and that you're not going to acknowledge any facts that contradict your pro-communist, cop-hating agenda, but, again, it was established at the trial that Chauvin's knee was not on Floyd's neck but on his shoulder blade. Even the very anti-Chauvin Minneapolis chief admitted this under cross examination. The chief medical examiner also acknowledged this. That's why there was not a trace of damage to his neck muscles and neck structure.

You have no room to talk about anyone who defends Rush Limbaugh, given that you defended Mao Tse Tung, one of the worst mass murderers in human history, in the History forum. You said Mao brought peace, stability, and prosperity to China. You also said that people in Red China were better off than people in Free China. You also complained that people were "demonizing" Joseph Stalin, who murdered 20-some million Russians in consolidating and maintaining his power.

And, uh, just on a point of fact, Rush never resisted arrest, so the police never had any reason to pin him on the ground.

Just to remind you, again, that the chief medical examiner said that the force that Chauvin used would not have prevented Floyd from breathing, much less killed him. As anyone can see in the bodycam footage, Floyd began to complain about being unable to breathe several minutes before he was pinned on the ground, so clearly there was something seriously wrong with him before Chauvin put a finger on him.

The 9-minute delay in getting oxygen into Floyd's lungs screams reasonable doubt. The prosecution acted like the delay never occurred. The defense made it a point to note the delay, and even Dr. Tobin admitted the delay was "crucial," but most news outlets ignored this important fact, just like they ignored most of the other facts that the defense highlighted. To find Chauvin guilty, the jury had to claim to conclude that Floyd died of suffocation and that this was caused solely, only, and exclusively as a result of the force that Chauvin applied with his 140-160-pound body, and that Floyd's terrible heart condition, hypertension, and drug ingestion played no role at all in his death. It's preposterous.

 

[Esdraelon]

Floyd would not shut the fuck up and would not cooperate with police. He really could have helped himself if he would have sat in the back of the cop car.

I'm not sure he COULD have just cooperated and stayed in the back of the vehicle. From the toxicology report it looked like he had ingested a lethal overdose of several types of drugs. He was probably processing the fact that his body was screaming it was dying. That's my guess. The body can panic when it senses death coming. One thing is for sure, he was definitely complaining of being unable to breathe BEFORE he ever went to the ground.

 

[JoeB131]

An important piece of evidence I've not mentioned yet is the fact that nearly 9 minutes elapsed between the time the ambulance arrived and the time Floyd was first given oxygen. Even the prosecution's pulmonary expert, Dr. Martin Tobin, admitted that these 9 minutes were "crucial." Of course, Derek Chauvin had nothing to do with this critical delay.

And why didn't EMTs try to revive Floyd at the scene? Because the police officers had concluded that the large and growing hostile crowd posed a threat, and so the EMTs decided to do a "load and go" instead of administering aid upon arrival.

Wow, that's it, Mormon Mike, let's blame the EMT's (who also begged Chauvin to get off the man's neck), instead of Chauvin. Let's blame the peaceful crowd that complained about his treatment. Let's blame everyone but THIS GUY>

 

[JoeB131]

I know you don't care about facts and that you're not going to acknowledge any facts that contradict your pro-communist, cop-hating agenda, but, again, it was established at the trial that Chauvin's knee was not on Floyd's neck but on his shoulder blade. Even the very anti-Chauvin Minneapolis chief admitted this under cross examination. The chief medical examiner also acknowledged this. That's why there was not a trace of damage to his neck muscles and neck structure.

But the pressure he put on the man's lung's and neck prevented him from breathing... The jury has been over all this, Mormon Mike. Don't get your magic underwear in a bunch . What was established during the trial was that Chauvin Murdered Floyd. Guilty on all counts.

You have no room to talk about anyone who defends Rush Limbaugh, given that you defended Mao Tse Tung, one of the worst mass murderers in human history, in the History forum. You said Mao brought peace, stability, and prosperity to China. You also said that people in Red China were better off than people in Free China. You also complained that people were "demonizing" Joseph Stalin, who murdered 20-some million Russians in consolidating and maintaining his power.

Hey, don't take my word for it. Ask a Russian or a Chinese... they STILL respect Mao and Stalin. Also, as stated, the claims of 20 million killed by Stalin is absurd when you consider the population of the USSR INCREASED by 30 million people during his rule.

And, uh, just on a point of fact, Rush never resisted arrest, so the police never had any reason to pin him on the ground.

Point of fact- Rush was a rich white guy. That's why the police treated him differently than a poor black man. Kind of hard for the fat queer to resist arrest when no one actually tried to arrest him.

Just to remind you, again, that the chief medical examiner said that the force that Chauvin used would not have prevented Floyd from breathing, much less killed him. As anyone can see in the bodycam footage, Floyd began to complain about being unable to breathe several minutes before he was pinned on the ground, so clearly there was something seriously wrong with him before Chauvin put a finger on him.

Wow, when someone says, "I CAN'T BREATHE", the logical thing to do is get your fucking knee off his neck, not keep it there until he stops screaming and then stops moving.

The 9-minute delay in getting oxygen into Floyd's lungs screams reasonable doubt. The prosecution acted like the delay never occurred. The defense made it a point to note the delay, and even Dr. Tobin admitted the delay was "crucial," but most news outlets ignored this important fact, just like they ignored most of the other facts that the defense highlighted. To find Chauvin guilty, the jury had to claim to conclude that Floyd died of suffocation and that this was caused solely, only, and exclusively as a result of the force that Chauvin applied with his 140-160-pound body, and that Floyd's terrible heart condition, hypertension, and drug ingestion played no role at all in his death. It's preposterous.

What's preposterous is Chauvin's defenders saying THIS was acceptable.

This is why your boy went down. People saw THIS. Everything else is a lot of blah, blah, blah.

 

[Mindful]

 

[YoursTruly]

But the pressure he put on the man's lung's and neck prevented him from breathing...

What was causing his breathing problem in the back of the cop car?

 

[bodecea]

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I wonder how long they held him like that? Past his death?

 

[JoeB131]

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I wonder how long they held him like that? Past his death?

I also wonder if those are even American cops, because they aren't dressed like American cops.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Floyd would not shut the fuck up and would not cooperate with police. He really could have helped himself if he would have sat in the back of the cop car.

I'm not sure he COULD have just cooperated and stayed in the back of the vehicle. From the toxicology report it looked like he had ingested a lethal overdose of several types of drugs. He was probably processing the fact that his body was screaming it was dying. That's my guess. The body can panic when it senses death coming. One thing is for sure, he was definitely complaining of being unable to breathe BEFORE he ever went to the ground.

Look, he had just spent 10-15 minutes in the front seat of a vehicle with the windows rolled up. He didn't seem to have any problem with being in a confined space then.

And, yes, contrary to the prosecution's obscene lying about Floyd's intake of fentanyl, Floyd did in fact take nearly 4 times the lethal dosage of the drug. As anyone can easily confirm, many people have died from 3 ng/ml of fentanyl in their blood. Floyd's autopsy report shows that he had 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in his blood. The chief medical examiner, most of whose findings the prosecution rejected, noted that Floyd had taken a lethal dosage of fentanyl, and that if he had been found dead in an apartment with 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in his blood, his cause of death would have been ruled to be drug overdose. The medical examiner also noted that in some cases 3 ng/ml of fentanyl has caused death.

 

[JoeB131]

Look, he had just spent 10-15 minutes in the front seat of a vehicle with the windows rolled up. He didn't seem to have any problem with being in a confined space then.

And, yes, contrary to the prosecution's obscene lying about Floyd's intake of fentanyl, Floyd did in fact take nearly 4 times the lethal dosage of the drug. As anyone can easily confirm, many people have died from 3 ng/ml of fentanyl in their blood. Floyd's autopsy report shows that he had 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in his blood. The chief medical examiner, most of whose findings the prosecution rejected, noted that Floyd had taken a lethal dosage of fentanyl, and that if he had been found dead in an apartment with 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in his blood, his cause of death would have been ruled to be drug overdose. The medical examiner also noted that in some cases 3 ng/ml of fentanyl has caused death.

Again, if he was found dead in his apartment, you MIGHT have a point.

He was found dead under the knee of Darrin Chauvin.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Look, he had just spent 10-15 minutes in the front seat of a vehicle with the windows rolled up. He didn't seem to have any problem with being in a confined space then.

And, yes, contrary to the prosecution's obscene lying about Floyd's intake of fentanyl, Floyd did in fact take nearly 4 times the lethal dosage of the drug. As anyone can easily confirm, many people have died from 3 ng/ml of fentanyl in their blood. Floyd's autopsy report shows that he had 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in his blood. The chief medical examiner, most of whose findings the prosecution rejected, noted that Floyd had taken a lethal dosage of fentanyl, and that if he had been found dead in an apartment with 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in his blood, his cause of death would have been ruled to be drug overdose. The medical examiner also noted that in some cases 3 ng/ml of fentanyl has caused death.

Again, if he was found dead in his apartment, you MIGHT have a point.

He was found dead under the knee of Darrin Chauvin.

That is grade-school logic. You cop haters ignore Floyd's horrible heart condition (his average arterial blockage was 82%--90% in one artery and 75% in the other), his hypertension, his ingestion of 3 times the lethal dosage of fentanyl, and the fact that tests have proved that a normal healthy person will have no trouble breathing in the prone position even with a 200-pound person on their back. Chauvin weighs 140 pounds, and his equipment weighed no more than 40 pounds (probably closer to 20 pounds), and his knee was not on Floyd's neck (which explains why the medical examiner found no neck bruising and no damage to the neck structure).

By the way, I went back and checked the transcripts: the EMT personnel themselves determined that the crowd was too hostile to safely begin treating Floyd at the scene. So you can thank the cursing and yelling people in the crowd, most of whom had not seen what led to Floyd's being pinned, for the crucial 8-minute delay in getting air into Floyd's lungs. Even the lying, distorting Dr. Tobin admitted that those 8 minutes were "crucial."

 

[YoursTruly]

That is grade-school logic. You cop haters ignore Floyd's horrible heart condition (his average arterial blockage was 82%--90% in one artery and 75% in the other), his hypertension, his ingestion of 3 times the lethal dosage of fentanyl, and the fact that tests have proved that a normal healthy person will have no trouble breathing in the prone position even with a 200-pound person on their back. Chauvin weighs 140 pounds, and his equipment weighed no more than 40 pounds (probably closer to 20 pounds), and his knee was not on Floyd's neck (which explains why the medical examiner found no neck bruising and no damage to the neck structure).

By the way, I went back and checked the transcripts: the EMT personnel themselves determined that the crowd was too hostile to safely begin treating Floyd at the scene. So you can thank the cursing and yelling people in the crowd, most of whom had not seen what led to Floyd's being pinned, for the crucial 8-minute delay in getting air into Floyd's lungs. Even the lying, distorting Dr. Tobin admitted that those 8 minutes were "crucial."

JoeB131 is a grade school poster. He's just running the same BS narrative that the leftwing media has been dishing out for a couple of years now.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Here is a letter I wrote to a magazine in response to an article on the Derek Chauvin trial and George Floyd's death:

I think the article ignores crucial facts and misstates other facts. For example:

* The footage that shows the best view of Derek Chauvin's knee on George Floyd shows that his knee was not on the neck but on the top of the shoulder blade just below the neck. Even the very anti-Chauvin Minneapolis police chief admitted this under cross examination. The medical examiner also acknowledged this.

* Chauvin weighs 140 pounds, and his equipment weighed no more than 40 pounds. Tests have proved that a normal person, i.e., a person of average health, is able to breathe even with a 200-pound person on their back while in the prone position. The medical examiner himself mentioned one of these tests in a meeting with the state attorney general. Furthermore, video footage shows that Chauvin shifted his weight at times, which means that most of Chauvin's weight was not always pressed on Floyd's back.

* The medical examiner made it clear that the force that Chauvin used would not have caused Floyd's death if Floyd had not had such serious health issues. But of course the officers had no way of knowing that Floyd was in such poor health, nor that he had just ingested a lethal dosage of fentanyl.

* If Floyd had answered truthfully when the officers asked him if he was on drugs, they would have used a different response protocol, but Floyd repeatedly lied when asked this question.

* Floyd began complaining about being unable to breathe long before he was pinned on the ground, most likely because of the large amount of fentanyl he had ingested. A known, documented side effect of the normal dosage of fentanyl is "slowed breathing" and "stopped breathing." Floyd took much more than the normal dosage. Another plausible cause of Floyd's breathing issue was his heart condition and hypertension combined with the excitement of the police encounter. All of these factors may have caused his breathing issue.

Regardless of the reason, Floyd began to claim that he could not breathe several minutes before he was pinned on the ground, so clearly there was something medically wrong with him before Chauvin pinned him on the ground. Yet the prosecution made the ludicrous claim that Floyd's health issues and drug ingestion played no role in his death, and that Floyd died solely and only from the force that Chauvin applied.

* Floyd was only pinned on the ground after he refused to get into the police car and then violently resisted arrest (including kicking one of the officers hard enough to nearly knock him over). If Floyd had gotten into the police car and had not resisted arrest, he never would have been pinned on the ground in the first place.

* For that matter, Floyd had two chances to avoid even having the police called to the scene: two Cup Foods employees confronted him about the stolen cigarettes and asked him to either return them or pay for them. Both times he refused, and when he refused the second time, one of the employees called for the police.

* As I mentioned earlier, the prosecution made the ludicrous claim that Floyd died of asphyxiation and that Floyd's serious heart condition, his hypertension, and his ingestion of fentanyl and meth had absolutely nothing to do with his death. However, there was no evidence of asphyxiation. The medical examiner made this clear. Specifically:

There was no evidence of petechial hemorrhaging. There was no bruising to the neck or back above the skin, under the skin, or into the subcutaneous muscles of the neck and back. The medical examiner said he would expect to see those things if Floyd had died of asphyxiation. There was no finding that pressure was applied to the point of the neck that would have caused such injuries. There were no injuries to the structures of the neck. The medical examiner also noted that when he finally did review the video footage of the incident, it did not appear to him that the placement of the knee affected the structures of the neck because Mr. Floyd could lift up his head, turn his head, move it around. Furthermore, he saw no fractures to the structures of the neck, including the hyoid bone. There were no soft tissue injuries to the sides of Floyd’s neck either.

Yet the jury somehow ignored these facts and accepted the prosecution's specious claim that Chauvin suffocated Floyd.

* The prosecution, in a rather amazing display of deception, attempted (apparently successfully) to convince the jury that the 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in Floyd's blood was unimportant and had no bearing on Floyd's death. They did this via a toxicologist who cited post-mortem and DUI cases where people had about the same amount or a greater amount of fentanyl in their blood. As the cross examination made clear, this was a meaningless, and misleading, presentation because there was no information on the cause of death for any of the post-mortem cases, and because there was no information on the health of the people in the DUI cases. The prosecution simply ignored the well-documented fact that the lethal dosage of fentanyl for some people can be as low as 1 ng/ml, and that, as the medical examiner himself correctly noted, the standard range of fentanyl's lethal dosage starts at 3 ng/ml. Floyd had nearly four times more fentanyl than that in his blood: 11 ng/ml.

Here are some sources that document the fact that people have died from 3 ng/ml of fentanyl:

http://medicalexaminer.cuyahogacounty.us/pdf_medicalexaminer/en-US/SOFT2016Fentanyl.pdf

Fatalities caused by novel opioids: a review

Multiple Fentanyl Overdoses — New Haven, Connecticut, June 23, 2016

http://www.ochsnerjournal.org/content/ochjnl/19/4/314.full.pdf

Here is what the National Institute of Health (NIH) says about fentanyl:

Fentanyl is a powerful synthetic opioid that is similar to morphine but is 50 to 100 times more potent. . . .

Fentanyl's effects include . . . problems breathing. . . .

When people overdose on fentanyl, their breathing can slow or stop. This can decrease the amount of oxygen that reaches the brain, a condition called hypoxia. Hypoxia can lead to a coma and permanent brain damage, and even death. (Fentanyl DrugFacts | National Institute on Drug Abuse)

* The chief medical examiner, after noting that he was aware of cases where people had died from 3 ng/ml of fentanyl, observed that if Floyd had been found dead in an apartment with 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in his blood, his death would have been ruled an overdose. I cannot fathom how the jury ignored this key fact.

* The prosecution did all they could to ignore the fact that there was a critical 8-minute delay in getting air into Floyd's lungs after the EMS personnel arrived. Even one of the prosecution's medical experts admitted this delay was "crucial." Chauvin had nothing to do with this delay. The delay occurred because the EMS personnel concluded that the crowd's hostility made the situation unsafe for them to begin reviving Floyd on the scene.

So the blame for this crucial delay can be placed on the cursing and yelling people in the crowd. The crowd members who were doing the cursing and yelling knew nothing about what had happened before Floyd was pinned on the ground. They had not seen Floyd kick Officer Lane and Officer Chauvin while they were struggling to get him into the police car (he kicked Chauvin hard enough to knock off his bodycam and his badge; he kicked Lane so hard that he nearly knocked him over). They had not seen Floyd repeatedly deny he was on drugs. They did not know that Floyd began saying he could not breathe long before he was pinned on the ground. They did not know that Floyd had numerous chances to avoid being pinned by simply getting into the police car. They did not know that Floyd had just ingested three times the lethal dosage of a drug that can slow or stop your breathing. They did not know that Floyd had a serious heart problem--that Floyd had a 90% narrowing of the right coronary artery and a 75% narrowing of the left coronary artery. They did not know that Floyd suffered from hypertension. They did not know that Floyd had just stolen items from the Cup Foods store by using counterfeit money, and that the police had been called because Floyd had twice refused to return or pay for the items when two store employees asked him to do so. They did not know any of these things. They happened to show up, saw Floyd pinned on the ground, and assumed the worst about the police.

* Not only did the prosecution fail to prove that Chauvin's use of force was excessive, but they offered no evidence that Chauvin had intended his force to be harmful. The defense noted that Chauvin offered to roll down the rear windows if Floyd would just get in the car, that he offered to sit with Floyd in the car, and that he offered to turn on the air conditioning if Floyd desired. These are hardly the actions of a police officer who was intent on harming the suspect.

* The prosecution emphasized the fact that Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd's back even after Floyd stopped turning and kicking. But according to police training and policy, Chauvin had every right to keep Floyd pinned on the ground even though he had stopped twisting and flexing his legs, given the serious physical confrontation that had just occurred. Defense attorney Eric Nelson addressed this issue well:

Reasonable police officers throughout the course of a control technique will continue to assess the level of resistance. Remember what Lieutenant Johnny Mercil said: “Simply because a person isn’t kicking at you or punching at you or biting at you, it does not mean that you can’t control them physically with your body weight.”

This is the point where Dr. Tobin testified that Mr. Floyd had an anoxic seizure. Right? But we’re not analyzing the use of force from the perspective of a doctor with 46 years of medical experience who had 150 hours of time to watch an event from multiple perspectives over and over and over and over again. It’s a reasonable police officer standard. How would a reasonable police officer interpret this? Does a reasonable police officer even know what an anoxic seizure is? A reasonable police officer will interpret this as at least some form of minimal resistance. Reasonable police officers, again, are continuing to monitor. They’re expecting EMS to arrive.

* The prosecution also placed great emphasis on the fact that while he was pinned on the ground, Floyd complained that he could not breathe but that Chauvin still kept his knee on his back. But, as mentioned, Floyd started saying he could not breathe several minutes before he was pinned on the ground, and he was only pinned on the ground because he violently resisted arrest. Furthermore, the police officers knew that it was not uncommon for suspects to claim they were having a medical emergency to avoid going to jail. Nelson:

A reasonable police officer will take into consideration, again, his training, his experience, right? Lieutenant Mercil talked about, and many people talked about, many of the officers talked about how it is not uncommon for suspects to feign or pretend to have a medical emergency to avoid being arrested. Unfortunately, that is the reality. Nobody likes to get arrested and reasonable police officers know that. How many times does someone, “Oh, my heart hurts,” or I’m having a medical emergency,” insert whatever emergency. Right? Simply because they don’t want to go to jail. A reasonable police officer will take his training into experience. And you heard Lieutenant Mercil specifically say that when someone says that they can’t breathe, but they are talking, if they’re talking, it means they’re breathing. Right? If they’re talking, it means they’re breathing. Again, compare that to the testimony of Dr. Tobin, who told you that same thing. That is true. If you are talking, you are breathing. It doesn’t mean effectively. Dr. Tobin described how even medical doctors have problems sometimes assessing the legitimacy of a patient’s needs relevant to their respiratory processes because they’re saying, “I can’t breathe,” and some doctors confuse it for just anxiety or this or that. If medical doctors make these mistakes, Dr. Tobin told you it provides a false sense of security. Right? Lieutenant Mercil told you that that is what is said among police officers. He’s the trainer. How many times do we hear an officer say based on his training and experience, if you can talk, you can breathe? I counted seven.

* It is manifestly unfair to judge Chauvin's actions with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. No one knew that Floyd had a serious heart condition. No one knew that Floyd had hypertension. No one knew that Floyd had just ingested three times the fatal dosage of fentanyl. Floyd had been complaining for several minutes that he could not breathe, even before he violently and powerfully resisted being placed in the police car; it took three officers to finally get him in the car. The officers undoubtedly knew that offering such powerful resistance surely required a great deal of breathing. So the officers had every rational reason to doubt Floyd's claim that he could not breathe.

When we consider Chauvin's actions objectively and fairly, we see that he actually did nothing wrong based on what he and the other officers knew at the time. His knee on the back was not excessive force and did not prohibit Floyd from breathing. Floyd stopped breathing because his heart gave out and/or because he had just taken a massive dosage of fentanyl. None of the officers could have had any inkling that Floyd was about to die. Floyd had just powerfully resisted being placed in the police car. They knew the EMS ambulance would arrive in a few minutes, and it arrived just a few minutes after Floyd seemed to stop noticeably resisting. And, if most of the people in the crowd had not been cursing and yelling at the police officers, the EMS personnel would have started treating Floyd when they arrived instead of waiting 8 critical minutes before putting oxygen into his lungs.

I could have understood a verdict of involuntary manslaughter, although given the totality of the incident I am not sure I could have reached such a verdict, but the verdict of second-degree murder is preposterous and shameful. I am saddened that only a few legal experts have spoken out against this grossly unjustified verdict.

 

[JoeB131]

That is grade-school logic. You cop haters ignore Floyd's horrible heart condition (his average arterial blockage was 82%--90% in one artery and 75% in the other), his hypertension, his ingestion of 3 times the lethal dosage of fentanyl, and the fact that tests have proved that a normal healthy person will have no trouble breathing in the prone position even with a 200-pound person on their back. Chauvin weighs 140 pounds, and his equipment weighed no more than 40 pounds (probably closer to 20 pounds), and his knee was not on Floyd's neck (which explains why the medical examiner found no neck bruising and no damage to the neck structure).

Here's why we ignore that. Because he had all those things before Chauvin put a knee on his neck. He had some of those conditions for years. He had been abusing Fentanyl for years because we don't have effective addiction treatment programs for poor people.

Now, would he have died of those conditions at some point in his life? Yeah, probably. We are all going to die of something eventually.

But the proximate cause of his death was a thug cop putting a knee to his neck. For nine minutes. While everyone in the crowd was screaming to let him up, he's clearly dying.

By the way, I went back and checked the transcripts: the EMT personnel themselves determined that the crowd was too hostile to safely begin treating Floyd at the scene. So you can thank the cursing and yelling people in the crowd, most of whom had not seen what led to Floyd's being pinned, for the crucial 8-minute delay in getting air into Floyd's lungs. Even the lying, distorting Dr. Tobin admitted that those 8 minutes were "crucial."

Wow, yes, a crowd of black people were hostile because they just watched cops murder a man in the street.

Floyd was pretty much dead at that point...

 

[JoeB131]

Here is a letter I wrote to a magazine in response to an article on the Derek Chauvin trial and George Floyd's death:

I think the article ignores crucial facts and misstates other facts. For example:

Did you include that along with your views that the Rape of Nanking wasn't all that bad, that OJ was innocent and the Civil War wasn't about Slavery? Oh, yeah, and Joseph Smith was really talking to God when God told him to marry multiple 14 year old girls.

(Fun Fact: No one was talking to Joseph Smith but the voices in his head. We have medications for that now.)

Look, guy, the Chauvin Defense Team tried to throw all this shit against the wall, and none of it stuck!!!

 

[mikegriffith1]

That is grade-school logic. You cop haters ignore Floyd's horrible heart condition (his average arterial blockage was 82%--90% in one artery and 75% in the other), his hypertension, his ingestion of 3 times the lethal dosage of fentanyl, and the fact that tests have proved that a normal healthy person will have no trouble breathing in the prone position even with a 200-pound person on their back. Chauvin weighs 140 pounds, and his equipment weighed no more than 40 pounds (probably closer to 20 pounds), and his knee was not on Floyd's neck (which explains why the medical examiner found no neck bruising and no damage to the neck structure).

Here's why we ignore that. Because he had all those things before Chauvin put a knee on his neck. He had some of those conditions for years. He had been abusing Fentanyl for years because we don't have effective addiction treatment programs for poor people.

Now, would he have died of those conditions at some point in his life? Yeah, probably. We are all going to die of something eventually.

But the proximate cause of his death was a thug cop putting a knee to his neck. For nine minutes. While everyone in the crowd was screaming to let him up, he's clearly dying.

By the way, I went back and checked the transcripts: the EMT personnel themselves determined that the crowd was too hostile to safely begin treating Floyd at the scene. So you can thank the cursing and yelling people in the crowd, most of whom had not seen what led to Floyd's being pinned, for the crucial 8-minute delay in getting air into Floyd's lungs. Even the lying, distorting Dr. Tobin admitted that those 8 minutes were "crucial."

Wow, yes, a crowd of black people were hostile because they just watched cops murder a man in the street.

Floyd was pretty much dead at that point...

You just keep repeating your cop-hating liberal talking points and ignoring the evidence that refutes them. Again, the bodycam footage shows that Chauvin's knee was not on Floyd's "neck." It was not there. The Darnella Frazier gives the impression that the knee was on the neck because it was taken from farther away and at a different angle. But the bodycam footage proves the knee was not on the neck. Even the rabidly anti-Chauvin police chief admitted this under cross examination. So did the chief medical examiner. But you, like the prosecution, won't admit this because it blows to pieces the myth that Floyd died of asphyxiation from having Chauvin's use of force.

If Floyd died of suffocation in the manner claimed by the prosecution, why was there no damage to any of the muscles of the neck? Why no bruising at all? Why no damage to the structure of the neck? The chief medical examiner explained that he would have expected to see at least some of this kind of damage if Floyd had died of asphyxiation, but he saw none, nada, nothing.

And it is obscene that you keep claiming that the enormous amount of fentanyl in Floyd's blood proves nothing because he was a drug addict. I mean, this is just silly and stupid. Had Floyd ever taken nearly four times the lethal dosage? A drug addict might not experience the same level of pain reduction and euphoria after using fentanyl for years, but this is not going to change the effect that fentanyl can have on the lungs and the chest. Many people have died from just 1 ng/ml of fentanyl. The lethal dosage range starts at 3 ng/ml, and there are many documented cases of people dying from 3 ng/ml. Floyd had 11 ng/ml. Why else do you suppose he started having trouble breathing before the police even tried to put him in the police car?

 

[Turtlesoup]

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I wonder how long they held him like that? Past his death?

Apparently not..since he was admitted to the hospital.

 

[JoeB131]

You just keep repeating your cop-hating liberal talking points and ignoring the evidence that refutes them. Again, the bodycam footage shows that Chauvin's knee was not on Floyd's "neck." It was not there. The Darnella Frazier gives the impression that the knee was on the neck because it was taken from farther away and at a different angle. But the bodycam footage proves the knee was not on the neck. Even the rabidly anti-Chauvin police chief admitted this under cross examination. So did the chief medical examiner. But you, like the prosecution, won't admit this because it blows to pieces the myth that Floyd died of asphyxiation from having Chauvin's use of force.

The body camera footage showed the knee moved around a bit... but we all saw what we saw, buddy.

A smug racist POS murdering a man in the middle of the street. That same thing the jury saw.

And it is obscene that you keep claiming that the enormous amount of fentanyl in Floyd's blood proves nothing because he was a drug addict. I mean, this is just silly and stupid. Had Floyd ever taken nearly four times the lethal dosage? A drug addict might not experience the same level of pain reduction and euphoria after using fentanyl for years, but this is not going to change the effect that fentanyl can have on the lungs and the chest. Many people have died from just 1 ng/ml of fentanyl. The lethal dosage range starts at 3 ng/ml, and there are many documented cases of people dying from 3 ng/ml. Floyd had 11 ng/ml. Why else do you suppose he started having trouble breathing before the police even tried to put him in the police car?

Point is, he didn't die hours later from the drug, he died under a cop knee.

Sure, there are cases of people dying of low doses because they have no tolerance for the drug to start with. This guy had been using for years. Just like some guys can down an entire 12 pack and a shot chaser and still walk home and others are sloppy drunk after a couple of bears.

Point was, if he was having problems breathing, the last thing you do is put your knee on his neck while he screams "I CAN'T BREATHE"

right wing logic.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Well, well, well, so now we find out that one of black males on the jury brazenly lied on his jury questionnaire. He lied about his participation in protest activity. At the protest he attended, he wore a BLM T-shirt that said "Get your knee off our necks." How can any fair, honest person think that this guy had any business being on that jury? He should face criminal penalties for lying on the jury questionnaire.

Chauvin Juror Pre-Trial Actions Spark Questions About Guilty Verdict

A juror in the Derek Chauvin murder trial may have jeopardized the guilty verdict by attending the March on Washington last summer but declaring on a juror questionnaire that he didn't, legal experts say.

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[JoeB131]

Well, well, well, so now we find out that one of black males on the jury brazenly lied on his jury questionnaire. He lied about his participation in protest activity. At the protest he attended, he wore a BLM T-shirt that said "Get your knee off our necks." How can any fair, honest person think that this guy had any business being on that jury? He should face criminal penalties for lying on the jury questionnaire.

The questionnaire asked if he participated in any demonstrations in Minneapolis. It did not ask if he participated in any other part of the country.

The March on Washington was to commemorate Dr. King's "I Have a dream Speech".

He was very clear in his support for BLM in his questionnaire, and the defense let him sit on the jury anyway.

Photo of Chauvin juror wearing "BLM" shirt raises questions about potential appeal

A photo of one of the jurors who convicted former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin has raised questions about his impartiality during the trial, and about whether the verdict could be overturned in an appeal.Why it matters: 31-year-old juror Brandon Mitchell said he answered "no" to...

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