CDZ Please explain to me, The term "undocumented" is this a PC term for "illegal immigrant"?

[Picaro]

If they came here illegally, they are illegal aliens. Being a refugee doesn't negate the fact that the means of getting here was outside of the law...and hence illegal.

So what! Unless you're a native American, we all came here illegally.

We all came here illegally? DERP!

Yes, that is a ridiculous claim, from someone utterly ignorant of American history.

 

[Billo_Really]

They have to spend more, since english is not their primary language, to make space for, and feed. All for a population that's not paying back into the system.

What do you mean they are not paying back? They pay rent. That's income to their landlord. They pay for goods and services. That's income to their local community. They pay taxes. That's income to their local government.

So what do you mean, they don't pay back?

 

[Unkotare]

I keep hearing this being used to describe illegals from Mexico. I don't know if this is a PC term for illegal immigrants, a term to describe a specific situation for someone who had a VISA and it expired, or, one of the "dreamers" who was born in America because their parents were illegal, yadda yadda.

Can someone explain this term to me please? If it is just a politically correct term for "illegal immigrant", it needs to be wiped from the lexicon, it's an insult to the terminology.

I await any information that you guys could provide.

Only from Mexico? Where did you get that idea?




And people born in the US are not "Dreamers," they are American citizens.

 

[Picaro]

Zero critical thinking was applied in that post

If they came here legally they wouldn't be a problem in the first place. Again example of the left creating a problem, then offering the solution to the very same problem they created.

The solution is offering them temporary work visas
Then you wouldn't moan about the cost of educating their kids

I understand that, why are you repeating yourself? Repetition doesn't make your point any more valid, especially when you fail to address the counter point. The problem is they being here illegally in the first place. We all know what happened with amnesty during the Reagan era, just encouraged even more illegal immigration. So are we to continually hand out work visa to anyone who ignores our laws? Laws set up for good reason, so we know who it is we are letting in, weather or not they're bringing in disease, weather or not they're a threat to security.

Not to mention you're naive to believe that they are just lining up eagerly to pay taxes. They have quite the nice set up now not having to pay them. I don't blame them, why would any elect to pay taxes, especially when their wages are that low.

So what?
They are here, they are working......might as well have them pay taxes

They don't pay taxes now, but have to look over their shoulder
You ain't paying taxes, you ain't working
Contingency on work visa

Again completely ignoring they shouldn't be here in the first place, and make up the largest group receiving welfare benefits. They came here illegally...that's problem #1, them not paying taxes is problem #2. Excusing problem #1 makes problem #1 worse, which in turn make #2 worse. How is what you suggest a solution??

The only thing illegal is lack of paperwork

That can be resolved with a stroke of a pen

More nonsense. Using fake Social Security cards and numbers is a felony itself, as is using fake names and numbers on W-2's and the like, as is falsifying any other Federal documents, and then the employer is committing felonies by hiring them.

Illegal, but Not Undocumented

See also how pervasive the criminal conspiracies run in aiding and abetting this ...

IG: IRS ‘Hindered’ Efforts to Stop Illegals from Misusing Social Security Numbers

 

[Marion Morrison]

It's more like $16K but whatever.

Care to prove that?

Nope! Care to prove me wrong? Go for it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

In 2001, CPS spent close to $12,000 per student; in 2015, $16,432. Yet revenue has not kept pace: CPS per-pupil revenue has not matched per-pupil spending, with revenue falling short, on average, by $1,000 per pupil since 2001. More recently, the revenue gap has widened to nearly $3,000 per year.

Crain's Chicago Business

You're right! I was using older, statewide numbers. Thanks for the correction!

That's the average cost per student. It doesn't say anything about children of un-documented immigrants. For all we know, they could be paying their way and its the American kids' parents who are dropping the ball?

That's the average cost per student.

Yes, illegal aliens students cost more than average.

It doesn't say anything about children of un-documented immigrants. For all we know, they could be paying their way

Paying their way.....how?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Zero critical thinking was applied in that post

If they came here legally they wouldn't be a problem in the first place. Again example of the left creating a problem, then offering the solution to the very same problem they created.

The solution is offering them temporary work visas
Then you wouldn't moan about the cost of educating their kids

I understand that, why are you repeating yourself? Repetition doesn't make your point any more valid, especially when you fail to address the counter point. The problem is they being here illegally in the first place. We all know what happened with amnesty during the Reagan era, just encouraged even more illegal immigration. So are we to continually hand out work visa to anyone who ignores our laws? Laws set up for good reason, so we know who it is we are letting in, weather or not they're bringing in disease, weather or not they're a threat to security.

Not to mention you're naive to believe that they are just lining up eagerly to pay taxes. They have quite the nice set up now not having to pay them. I don't blame them, why would any elect to pay taxes, especially when their wages are that low.

So what?
They are here, they are working......might as well have them pay taxes

They don't pay taxes now, but have to look over their shoulder
You ain't paying taxes, you ain't working
Contingency on work visa

Again completely ignoring they shouldn't be here in the first place, and make up the largest group receiving welfare benefits. They came here illegally...that's problem #1, them not paying taxes is problem #2. Excusing problem #1 makes problem #1 worse, which in turn make #2 worse. How is what you suggest a solution??

The only thing illegal is lack of paperwork

That can be resolved with a stroke of a pen

The only thing illegal is lack of paperwork

That can be resolved with a stroke of a pen

They should return to their home country and start working on that legal paperwork.

 

[Billo_Really]

Yes, that is a ridiculous claim, from someone utterly ignorant of American history.

That's a personal attack. In a forum that doesn't allow personal attacks.

 

[2aguy]

Prove that our school system is bankrupt?
Or that we spend nearly $12,000 per student?

It's more like $16K but whatever.

In 2001, CPS spent close to $12,000 per student; in 2015, $16,432. Yet revenue has not kept pace: CPS per-pupil revenue has not matched per-pupil spending, with revenue falling short, on average, by $1,000 per pupil since 2001. More recently, the revenue gap has widened to nearly $3,000 per year.

Crain's Chicago Business

You're right! I was using older, statewide numbers. Thanks for the correction!

So they spend as much as for any other student

They have to spend more, since english is not their primary language, to make space for, and feed. All for a population that's not paying back into the system.

Exactly

If they were on temporary work visas they would be paying taxes

Now that Trump is in office we may get it a better system....the ones who want the illegals are the democrats......they want them poor and alienated with no way to come into our system.....the democrats held both houses of congress and the White House...and did nothing to change their status...they get too much from keeping them illegal, poor and outside of our system...but still voting....

 

[Billo_Really]

Nope! Care to prove me wrong? Go for it.

Until you provide a link, the burden of proof is on you. However, if you claim that is just your opinion and not a fact, then you don't have to prove anything.

 

[sakinago]

In 2001, CPS spent close to $12,000 per student; in 2015, $16,432. Yet revenue has not kept pace: CPS per-pupil revenue has not matched per-pupil spending, with revenue falling short, on average, by $1,000 per pupil since 2001. More recently, the revenue gap has widened to nearly $3,000 per year.

Crain's Chicago Business

You're right! I was using older, statewide numbers. Thanks for the correction!

That's the average cost per student. It doesn't say anything about children of un-documented immigrants. For all we know, they could be paying their way and its the American kids' parents who are dropping the ball?

So our school systems get their money through tax payer dollars...from citizens...but somehow illegal immigrants are writing checks to the school they put they're children in?

 

[Billo_Really]

Yes, illegal aliens students cost more than average.

In what way?

Paying their way.....how?

By paying their taxes.

 

[sakinago]

They have to spend more, since english is not their primary language, to make space for, and feed. All for a population that's not paying back into the system.

Exactly

If they were on temporary work visas they would be paying taxes

Zero critical thinking was applied in that post

If they came here legally they wouldn't be a problem in the first place. Again example of the left creating a problem, then offering the solution to the very same problem they created.

The solution is offering them temporary work visas
Then you wouldn't moan about the cost of educating their kids

the solution is deporting them; they serve no purpose other than making their employers richer and American labor poorer. that has always been the case. There is no entitlement to unlimited supplies of cheap labor for businesses.

They pick our crops.....something Americans won't do

Yea so it's a good thing to encourage lower wages? BC Americans won't do it? Or that with the welfare state it's not worth it because wages have been driven down by illegal immigrant population. How can you be for 15$ min wage except when it comes to illegal immigrants? I guess people working at what equates to slave labor wages (enough to get by) is a win win for the left. Why not just give them a place to live, some food, and clothing and call it even.

 

[sakinago]

Zero critical thinking was applied in that post

If they came here legally they wouldn't be a problem in the first place. Again example of the left creating a problem, then offering the solution to the very same problem they created.

The solution is offering them temporary work visas
Then you wouldn't moan about the cost of educating their kids

I understand that, why are you repeating yourself? Repetition doesn't make your point any more valid, especially when you fail to address the counter point. The problem is they being here illegally in the first place. We all know what happened with amnesty during the Reagan era, just encouraged even more illegal immigration. So are we to continually hand out work visa to anyone who ignores our laws? Laws set up for good reason, so we know who it is we are letting in, weather or not they're bringing in disease, weather or not they're a threat to security.

Not to mention you're naive to believe that they are just lining up eagerly to pay taxes. They have quite the nice set up now not having to pay them. I don't blame them, why would any elect to pay taxes, especially when their wages are that low.

So what?
They are here, they are working......might as well have them pay taxes

They don't pay taxes now, but have to look over their shoulder
You ain't paying taxes, you ain't working
Contingency on work visa

Again completely ignoring they shouldn't be here in the first place, and make up the largest group receiving welfare benefits. They came here illegally...that's problem #1, them not paying taxes is problem #2. Excusing problem #1 makes problem #1 worse, which in turn make #2 worse. How is what you suggest a solution??

The only thing illegal is lack of paperwork

That can be resolved with a stroke of a pen

What happens when more decide to come over because those who did so in the past got away with it? We have seen this play out in history in our lifetimes. The problem is illegal immigration, not what to do with them now. You're just reiterating your original point over and over.

And no it can't be solved with a stroke of a pen. Our government is not designed to be a dictatorship.

 

[sakinago]

Yes, illegal aliens students cost more than average.

In what way?

Paying their way.....how?

By paying their taxes.

It cost much more to educate a student whose primary language isn't English. That should be obvious. Not to mention that largely their parents aren't paying taxes, but still receiving the benefits of sending their kids to school they haven't contributed to. On top of that they make up the largest group in America receiving welfare benefits they also have not contributed to.

Grow up and start critically thinking for your self. Instead of making baseless claims do you're own damn research instead of asking everybody to prove anything you disagree with to you (by the way this is a logical fallacy called an appeal to ignorance) , while believing blindly whatever it is your tribe is claiming for you. Your way behind In this conversation, and I'm tired of bringing you're robotic ass up to speed. Everything I said in the first paragraph is common knowledge to anyone with half a brain, I'm assuming you have a whole one start using it.

 

[Picaro]

Yes, that is a ridiculous claim, from someone utterly ignorant of American history.

That's a personal attack. In a forum that doesn't allow personal attacks.

No, it's a statement of fact; such a claim is based on utter ignorance of American history. Native tribes welcomed European immigrants for the most part, signed treaties respecting colonial territories purchased by Europeans from them, and made trade and military pacts with European settlers for hundreds of years.

You indeed don't know what you're talking about and utterly ignorant of American history.

 

[Picaro]

In 2001, CPS spent close to $12,000 per student; in 2015, $16,432. Yet revenue has not kept pace: CPS per-pupil revenue has not matched per-pupil spending, with revenue falling short, on average, by $1,000 per pupil since 2001. More recently, the revenue gap has widened to nearly $3,000 per year.

Crain's Chicago Business

You're right! I was using older, statewide numbers. Thanks for the correction!

That's the average cost per student. It doesn't say anything about children of un-documented immigrants. For all we know, they could be paying their way and its the American kids' parents who are dropping the ball?

That's the average cost per student.

Yes, illegal aliens students cost more than average.

It doesn't say anything about children of un-documented immigrants. For all we know, they could be paying their way

Paying their way.....how?

they cost a lot more; health services, remedial education services, extra payroll for teachers who speak Spanish, food programs, and they are also the source of many epidemics that burden legal citizens with medical costs for their children. The list of macro-economic costs far outweigh any benefits; their parents' employers aren't famous for coughing up the extra money, that's for sure.

 

[Picaro]

Yea so it's a good thing to encourage lower wages? BC Americans won't do it? .

It's myth that Americans won't do it; I posted a link to an investigative report exploding that myth, by a leftist magazine, no less.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, illegal aliens students cost more than average.

In what way?

Paying their way.....how?

By paying their taxes.

More than average because they need more services. ESL for starters.

How are these taxes they supposedly pay anywhere close to the average $16000 per year per student expense?

 

[sakinago]

Yes, that is a ridiculous claim, from someone utterly ignorant of American history.

That's a personal attack. In a forum that doesn't allow personal attacks.

No, it's a statement of fact; such a claim is based on utter ignorance of American history. Native tribes welcomed European immigrants for the most part, signed treaties respecting colonial territories purchased by Europeans from them, and made trade and military pacts with European settlers for hundreds of years.

You indeed don't know what you're talking about and utterly ignorant of American history.

There wasn't much of a problem with Indians up until Andrew Jackson came and literally raped their nation as well as irreparable changed our own. Which is why we should not being giving so much power to flawed human beings.