Plane Flies Unresponsive over DC....Crashes in Staunton, VA

[beautress]

Yep, they all asphyxiated. IMO, they must have lost cabin pressure over NY, everyone died and the plane flew itself into a mountain.

They were frightened at an earlier point, oh, how I pray for the family and friends who lost these people to tragedy and are disappointed and hurting inside.
Prayers up for all who've lost loved ones this week. My good friend is fighting for his life in the hospital.

 

[PeterPilot]

Yep, they all asphyxiated. IMO, they must have lost cabin pressure over NY, everyone died and the plane flew itself into a mountain.

No, they didn't asphyxiate, the cabin remained pressurized.

Now that a week has passed we have more data.

The airplane made a normal departure, climbed to FL240 and leveled. Was then cleared to FL340 and given a frequency change. The pilot acknowledged all, set the new altitude and the airplane climbed and leveled at 340. The pilot never checked in on the new frequency apparently, so it seems his heart attack happened at that point, about 20 minutes after a normal takeoff and departure.

The shot took his life, and was responsible for the deaths of the passengers.

 

[SavannahMann]

No, they didn't asphyxiate, the cabin remained pressurized.

Now that a week has passed we have more data.

The airplane made a normal departure, climbed to FL240 and leveled. Was then cleared to FL340 and given a frequency change. The pilot acknowledged all, set the new altitude and the airplane climbed and leveled at 340. The pilot never checked in on the new frequency apparently, so it seems his heart attack happened at that point, about 20 minutes after a normal takeoff and departure.

The shot took his life, and was responsible for the deaths of the passengers.

That is amazing. I looked to make sure I hadn’t missed a news story. Nope. Nothing in the last five days.

What we know on the possible cause of Virginia plane crash that killed four

A sudden loss of oxygen known as hypoxia is the likeliest cause, experts say.

www.nbcnews.com

That was the most recent story I could find. And in it Asphyxia was the most likely cause. But you have determined it was the shot. Great. How the hell did the shot kill everyone on board fifteen minutes into the flight?

Because there were two adults and a child in addition to the Pilot. And if it wasn’t asphyxia they should have survived for two hours. You would think they would make a cell phone call. Or they would go forward to the radio. Or hold a sign up in the window when the fighters showed up.

But they didn’t. Perhaps the shot that killed the pilot in your scenario traveled through the air and killed the passengers too. Or perhaps they were stoned and not aware that the flight was fucked. Or maybe it is that you are a dolt who is hammering this thing as hard as you can trying to drive it into the mold of your insane conspiracy theories.

 

[Leo123]

No, they didn't asphyxiate, the cabin remained pressurized.

Now that a week has passed we have more data.

The airplane made a normal departure, climbed to FL240 and leveled. Was then cleared to FL340 and given a frequency change. The pilot acknowledged all, set the new altitude and the airplane climbed and leveled at 340. The pilot never checked in on the new frequency apparently, so it seems his heart attack happened at that point, about 20 minutes after a normal takeoff and departure.

The shot took his life, and was responsible for the deaths of the passengers.

What shot?

 

[PeterPilot]

What shot?

The shots that have been killing so many people. Trump & Biden's clot shots. Two years ago the airlines were proudly proclaiming 85% of their pilots had been injected. Since then many "incapacitated pilots" have been seen.

 

[PeterPilot]

That is amazing. I looked to make sure I hadn’t missed a news story. Nope. Nothing in the last five days.

What we know on the possible cause of Virginia plane crash that killed four

A sudden loss of oxygen known as hypoxia is the likeliest cause, experts say.

www.nbcnews.com

That was the most recent story I could find. And in it Asphyxia was the most likely cause. But you have determined it was the shot. Great. How the hell did the shot kill everyone on board fifteen minutes into the flight?

Because there were two adults and a child in addition to the Pilot. And if it wasn’t asphyxia they should have survived for two hours. You would think they would make a cell phone call. Or they would go forward to the radio. Or hold a sign up in the window when the fighters showed up.

But they didn’t. Perhaps the shot that killed the pilot in your scenario traveled through the air and killed the passengers too. Or perhaps they were stoned and not aware that the flight was fucked. Or maybe it is that you are a dolt who is hammering this thing as hard as you can trying to drive it into the mold of your insane conspiracy theories.

When a plane is depressurized at altitude, as happened in the Payne Stewart accident many years ago, the windows become opaque with ice, so pilots flying closely to it cannot see inside the cabin or cockpit. In the case of the Citation last week, the intercepting F-16 pilots were able to seen into the cockpit, no ice, perfectly clear. FYI the Citation has large windows in the cockpit. They could see the pilot slumped over and towards the centerline of the aircraft. That means the cabin was pressurized FYI.

Because the retired Southwest Pilot, like the vast majority of airline pilots, is presumed to have taken the full regimen of covid shots, the cause of his incapacitation is most likely the shots. Reports of ‘Incapacitated’ Airline Pilots Stoke Concerns, Calls for Investigations.

 

[SavannahMann]

When a plane is depressurized at altitude, as happened in the Payne Stewart accident many years ago, the windows become opaque with ice, so pilots flying closely to it cannot see inside the cabin or cockpit. In the case of the Citation last week, the intercepting F-16 pilots were able to seen into the cockpit, no ice, perfectly clear. FYI the Citation has large windows in the cockpit. They could see the pilot slumped over and towards the centerline of the aircraft. That means the cabin was pressurized FYI.

Because the retired Southwest Pilot, like the vast majority of airline pilots, is presumed to have taken the full regimen of covid shots, the cause of his incapacitation is most likely the shots. Reports of ‘Incapacitated’ Airline Pilots Stoke Concerns, Calls for Investigations.

And the passengers in the back? Were they also incapacitated because of the shot?

As it happened within the first fifteen minutes. There is likely something wrong with the pressurization system from take off.

Plane that crashed in Virginia lost contact with air traffic controllers during ascent

Only minutes into a doomed journey, the pilot of a business jet wasn’t responding to air traffic control instructions and federal aviation officials say the situation was soon reported to a network that includes military, security and law enforcement agencies.

www.clickorlando.com

But hey, stick with the shot. Keep hammering that square peg, it might fit into the triangle of your mind eventually.

 

[PeterPilot]

And the passengers in the back? Were they also incapacitated because of the shot?

As it happened within the first fifteen minutes. There is likely something wrong with the pressurization system from take off.

Plane that crashed in Virginia lost contact with air traffic controllers during ascent

Only minutes into a doomed journey, the pilot of a business jet wasn’t responding to air traffic control instructions and federal aviation officials say the situation was soon reported to a network that includes military, security and law enforcement agencies.

www.clickorlando.com

But hey, stick with the shot. Keep hammering that square peg, it might fit into the triangle of your mind eventually.

FYI I have several hundred hours flying that model Citation. No, the passengers were alive until the end because the cabin was pressurized.

You will believe what your mind allows you to believe, and your government has told you the shots were safe and effective. Your government would never deceive you. Ignorance is bliss. Have a good day.

 

[SavannahMann]

FYI I have several hundred hours flying that model Citation. No, the passengers were alive until the end because the cabin was pressurized.

You will believe what your mind allows you to believe, and your government has told you the shots were safe and effective. Your government would never deceive you. Ignorance is bliss. Have a good day.

Scooter. I’ve had the shots. Everyone at work had the shots. And that is five hundred people. None of them have had a sudden heart attack. None of their families have had a sudden unexpected heart attack.

If you were a pilot you would know the NTSB is investigating. And they have a good record of finding the truth. And the truth that caused the truth. An example would be the Queens Catastrophe where they determined poorly considered training caused the co-pilot to make a mistake.

 

[PeterPilot]

Scooter. I’ve had the shots. Everyone at work had the shots. And that is five hundred people. None of them have had a sudden heart attack. None of their families have had a sudden unexpected heart attack.

If you were a pilot you would know the NTSB is investigating. And they have a good record of finding the truth. And the truth that caused the truth. An example would be the Queens Catastrophe where they determined poorly considered training caused the co-pilot to make a mistake.

You are very naive about NTSB proceedings, and lucky to have survived the shots, and that's good. I know more than a dozen who died within 3 months of the shots, and many more who have been harmed by the shots. I pray you won't take any boosters. Regarding NTSB you should investigate TWA800. It's a long story. Usually the NTSB is a responsible organization seeking the truth, but it is in the end just another complicit federal agency.

Back on topic, we cannot be certain that Jeff Hefner the pilot took the shots, but it is a safe bet that he did, considering that large numbers of the airline pilot cohort were forced to take the shots by their employers. FYI, a few have since been successfully sued, including United and Atlas, non disclosure agreements and all.

 

[SavannahMann]

You are very naive about NTSB proceedings, and lucky to have survived the shots, and that's good. I know more than a dozen who died within 3 months of the shots, and many more who have been harmed by the shots. I pray you won't take any boosters. Regarding NTSB you should investigate TWA800. It's a long story. Usually the NTSB is a responsible organization seeking the truth, but it is in the end just another complicit federal agency.

Back on topic, we cannot be certain that Jeff Hefner the pilot took the shots, but it is a safe bet that he did, considering that large numbers of the airline pilot cohort were forced to take the shots by their employers. FYI, a few have since been successfully sued, including United and Atlas, non disclosure agreements and all.

It’s amazing that people flying actually still believe that CT nonsense. I can remember a number of accidents where Pilots did not activate the Deicing boots because they were concerned that the boots would create a bubble of ice. The old wives tale had been corrected long ago, but they still believed the everyone knows nonsense instead of the current facts.

TWA-800 is another CT nonsense story. The NTSB recreated the scenario. Leaving the Jet sitting on the tarmac with the AC and APU operating. Upon Takeoff, the thermometer reached the flash point for fuel.

I’d post a link to the investigation, but you’ll just waste all our time with more CT nonsense. The problem is I as in the Military. Want to know how insane the Military goes over a missing weapon? Anyone have experience with that? True story. A soldier at NTC left his rifle behind in a fighting position. It was discovered the next day when they did the normal weapons and equipment checks. They had the entire Battalion out there with shovels digging in the desert. Nobody was going anywhere until that rifle was found.

We jumped into Arkansas in the 82nd Airborne one time. We jumped in and after we collected there was one parachute missing. Night had fallen, and they had the entire jump out searching for the one parachute missing. Nobody was leaving and thankfully I had jumped with extra water, because we were thirsty as hell before we found that damned thing.

Being an NCO in the Army is like being a Mommy. You spend half your time counting. You count your soldiers. If you are supposed to have five, you had better know where all five are at all times. If they are supposed to have five weapons, god help you if you come up one short.

I’ve seen whole units locked down over missing weapons. Locked down for more than a month. With CID, which is the Army version of NCIS for you TV fans. CID crawling up everyone’s ass daily.

So the idea that the Navy could fire a missile and nobody notice? Nonsense. Because the Navy shot down a civilian airliner before. And it was judged to be a good shoot based upon the information the Captain had.

IN this case, there is no fucking way the Navy covers that up. Nuclear Submarines are among the most closely watched and governed units in the world. They count shit constantly, and the idea that the crew would lie, en masse, is insane. That is a crew of a hundred. One hundred people all lying, on the Submarine. Not to mention another two hundred involved in the chain of command. Lying. Nonsense.

Finally, submarines run from air threats. They don’t surface and fire. They don’t fire SAM’s from underwater. SAM’s are short range missiles or long range missiles. Putting them on submarines is just dumb. If the submarine comes shallow enough to engage with a SAM, it would be destroyed by a homing torpedo. The only Navies that do look into this sort of thing are the diesel electric boats of the various nations. They can’t run fast or far enough to evade. They tend to operate in coastal waters.

What you want is an investigation where insane conspiracy theory is determined to be true. You should move to Italy. They have a long history of such insanity. See the Italian flight 870 for a single example. Evidence clearly showed the bomb detonating in the Lavatory. Italy’s official decision? The plane was shot down by either French or Libyan aircraft. No missile fragments, blast pattern inconsistent with that sort of explosion, but hey, why let facts mess up your truth, or your version of it anyway.

No matter what the NTSB decides in this current case, you won’t buy it. You’ve already made up your mind before any evidence came in. You would be a horrible investigator. You wouldn’t find truth. You wouldn’t deal in fact. You would deal in your wild imagination.