PIZZA JOINT vs. U.S. GOVERNMENT.

[bodhisattva]

Is this guy for real?

Let’s hope not.

A predictable response from an admirer of the Congressional Black Racist Caucus Big shot with the same monicker.

Sorry you Lib phoney, but you and your Socialist/Commie Messiah Obama's Agenda trumpeted around by the 24/7 Lib controlled National Media ain't gonna bamboozle the American Public any more what with the internet exposing your blatant distortions, and outright lies.

 

[edthecynic]

wrong-a-roo.

This is a thread about a business...and I was using business jargon.

Sorry you are unable to relate.

BULLSHIT!

Building a business "from nothing" is not taking over management of over 800 franchise stores!

And losing market share is not building an "empire."

Stopping a company from losing money by DOWNSIZING is not "building" anything!!!!

BULLSHIT yourself....ya got a lot to learn....

A company almost ready to go bankrupt is pretty much worth "nothing" in the business world...

Streamling a company from 725 units (stores) to only 525...yet maintaining the SAME total amount in sales.....is called SUCCESS by any other name in the business world....

Under Cain the average Godfather sales per unit INCREASED....even in a very competitive market against national chains like Pizza Hut and Dominoes...this is called "building" a good company....

Now if Cain could only apply this to the Government world......he could downsize government "units".....yet double their effectiveness.....and so dramatically cut costs....

I find it interesting that even though you provide no links, Jarhead has not demanded that you back your claims with links like he did me!!!! It's pretty obvious who has a double standard here!

Since you provided no links, I need no links to contradict you.

Godfather's was not ready to go bankrupt, troubled yes, but they were not ready to prepare any bankruptcy papers when Pilsbury bought them. Like everything else you posted, an exaggeration.

There were over 800 "units" when Pilsbury bought the franchise, and there are 620 now. During Cain's reign it did not outpace Pizza Hut or Domono's. By closing the poorer performing "units" Cain was able to stabilize the chain, but that was it. He couldn't grow it, kinda like Obama stabilizing the failed and troubled Bush economy but not being able to grow it, so if stabilizing Godfather's makes Cain a super businessman, then Obama stabilizing the economy makes him a super president. If Obama stabilizing the economy but failing to grow it makes Obama a failure as president, then failing to grow Godfather's after stabilizing it makes Cain a failure as a businessman.

Any claims of increased profitability cannot be confirmed because the chain did not report its profits as a stand alone unit. All their numbers show is their place in the market in comparison to their competition. For anyone to claim anything beyond that means they must have access to data not available to researchers in the restaurant industry, which means they are full of shit.

Basically, Cain was a motivational speaker for the franchise. That's what the people in the chain remember him most for, not as a brilliant businessman. Like Obama, Cain is all talk.

 

[edthecynic]

With a fellow employee and irrefutable friend Billy Ayers who is an unrepentant, homicidal Commie Terrorist from whose home Obama kicked off his Senatorial Career.

There is also a rumour on the internet that the moon is made of Mozarella cheese.

Stop acting stupid and thinking everyone else is stupid.

There is also a rumor on the internet that Obama kicked off his Senate campaign from Ayres' house.

Stop parroting CON$ervative lies and thinking everyone else is stupid.

edthelibidiot,

The irrefutable historical fact is that Obama was Bill Ayer's sidekick at ACORN, the criminally indicted voter scam organization by the FBI. These two political whackjobs shared speaker platforms and were frequently seen together at the various restaurants.

Bill Ayers is the unrepentant, homicidal, commie/terrorist maniac. Now, appropriately, employed as one of the demented liberal profs at the ultra liberal "prestigious" ivy league schools. If you check the Wikipedia with the google: 'Bill Ayers Presidential Election Controversies' you will find reference to the well established fact that Obama did kick off his senatorial career from the Ayer's home.

In typical CON$ervative fashion, when called on their lies CON$ just keep repeating the same lies over and over. Everyone who isn't a brainwashed moron knows Obama kicked off his Senate campaign at the Hyatt Regency Hotel in Chicago. Everything else you posted is even less credible than your Ayres' House kick off bullshit!!!

 

[edthecynic]

Cain is a business man, something totally lacking in congress or the white house. he understand budgeting, building jobs and taking care of customers. We have need this for a long time. He need to lose the Muslin thing, they are here to stay, like it or not. Obama can't figure out how to take 3 people and a dog on vacation with out 3 airplanes.

Need I remind you the previous president, who fucked up the economy beyond repair, was a businessman!!! Some people never learn.

 

[Oldstyle]

BULLSHIT!

Building a business "from nothing" is not taking over management of over 800 franchise stores!

And losing market share is not building an "empire."

Stopping a company from losing money by DOWNSIZING is not "building" anything!!!!

BULLSHIT yourself....ya got a lot to learn....

A company almost ready to go bankrupt is pretty much worth "nothing" in the business world...

Streamling a company from 725 units (stores) to only 525...yet maintaining the SAME total amount in sales.....is called SUCCESS by any other name in the business world....

Under Cain the average Godfather sales per unit INCREASED....even in a very competitive market against national chains like Pizza Hut and Dominoes...this is called "building" a good company....

Now if Cain could only apply this to the Government world......he could downsize government "units".....yet double their effectiveness.....and so dramatically cut costs....

I find it interesting that even though you provide no links, Jarhead has not demanded that you back your claims with links like he did me!!!! It's pretty obvious who has a double standard here!

Since you provided no links, I need no links to contradict you.

Godfather's was not ready to go bankrupt, troubled yes, but they were not ready to prepare any bankruptcy papers when Pilsbury bought them. Like everything else you posted, an exaggeration.

There were over 800 "units" when Pilsbury bought the franchise, and there are 620 now. During Cain's reign it did not outpace Pizza Hut or Domono's. By closing the poorer performing "units" Cain was able to stabilize the chain, but that was it. He couldn't grow it, kinda like Obama stabilizing the failed and troubled Bush economy but not being able to grow it, so if stabilizing Godfather's makes Cain a super businessman, then Obama stabilizing the economy makes him a super president. If Obama stabilizing the economy but failing to grow it makes Obama a failure as president, then failing to grow Godfather's after stabilizing it makes Cain a failure as a businessman.

Any claims of increased profitability cannot be confirmed because the chain did not report its profits as a stand alone unit. All their numbers show is their place in the market in comparison to their competition. For anyone to claim anything beyond that means they must have access to data not available to researchers in the restaurant industry, which means they are full of shit.

Basically, Cain was a motivational speaker for the franchise. That's what the people in the chain remember him most for, not as a brilliant businessman. Like Obama, Cain is all talk.

I believe if you check the figures, Cain closed almost 200 units but managed to keep the business volume at the same levels as before. Now you may not be impressed by that but as a restaurant man, I am. I'm also impressed by his ability to take the worst performing Burger King region in the company and in three years turn it into the best performing region. That isn't the mark of someone who is "all talk"...that's the mark of someone who performs the job for which he was hired. Barack Obama is NOTHING like Cain.

 

[bodhisattva]

There is also a rumor on the internet that Obama kicked off his Senate campaign from Ayres' house.

Stop parroting CON$ervative lies and thinking everyone else is stupid.

edthelibidiot,

The irrefutable historical fact is that Obama was Bill Ayer's sidekick at ACORN, the criminally indicted voter scam organization by the FBI. These two political whackjobs shared speaker platforms and were frequently seen together at the various restaurants.

Bill Ayers is the unrepentant, homicidal, commie/terrorist maniac. Now, appropriately, employed as one of the demented liberal profs at the ultra liberal "prestigious" ivy league schools. If you check the Wikipedia with the google: 'Bill Ayers Presidential Election Controversies' you will find reference to the well established fact that Obama did kick off his senatorial career from the Ayer's home.

In typical CON$ervative fashion, when called on their lies CON$ just keep repeating the same lies over and over. Everyone who isn't a brainwashed moron knows Obama kicked off his Senate campaign at the Hyatt Regency Hotel in Chicago. Everything else you posted is even less credible than your Ayres' House kick off bullshit!!!

It may be that the Pathological Liar and Monumental Fraud Obama, in addition to the Senatorial kickoff from Ayers' home, had a Senatorial Campaign meeting in the Hyatt Regency Hotel ...... a non substantiated bit of fluff by you......but that is an extremely minor point compared to the rest of the historically documented facts of Obama's ACORN employment as a Rabble Rouser at the FBI criminally indicted voter fraud organization in ~15 States. Together with the unrepentant homicidal Commie/Terrorist maniac Ayers being his friend, the sharing of the speaking platforms and being members on the board of ACORN. The numerous photo-ops of these two shitheads in restaurants, the rise in the Notoriously Corrupt Chicago Political Machine run by Commies and Mafioso as Ayers' protege......and finally the twenty year tenure in the Black racist "goddamn America" whackjob Wright's Temple of Hate where the arrogant pathological liar Obama claimed that his head was buried so deep in his arse that he wasn't aware of what was happening...... ........and, for you, I suppose, that is also some conservative type of bullshit

Stop acting as though you are a 10000 carat moron, and thinking everyone around you is one also.

You are really one pathetic lump of pigshit.

 

[edthecynic]

BULLSHIT yourself....ya got a lot to learn....

A company almost ready to go bankrupt is pretty much worth "nothing" in the business world...

Streamling a company from 725 units (stores) to only 525...yet maintaining the SAME total amount in sales.....is called SUCCESS by any other name in the business world....

Under Cain the average Godfather sales per unit INCREASED....even in a very competitive market against national chains like Pizza Hut and Dominoes...this is called "building" a good company....

Now if Cain could only apply this to the Government world......he could downsize government "units".....yet double their effectiveness.....and so dramatically cut costs....

I find it interesting that even though you provide no links, Jarhead has not demanded that you back your claims with links like he did me!!!! It's pretty obvious who has a double standard here!

Since you provided no links, I need no links to contradict you.

Godfather's was not ready to go bankrupt, troubled yes, but they were not ready to prepare any bankruptcy papers when Pilsbury bought them. Like everything else you posted, an exaggeration.

There were over 800 "units" when Pilsbury bought the franchise, and there are 620 now. During Cain's reign it did not outpace Pizza Hut or Domono's. By closing the poorer performing "units" Cain was able to stabilize the chain, but that was it. He couldn't grow it, kinda like Obama stabilizing the failed and troubled Bush economy but not being able to grow it, so if stabilizing Godfather's makes Cain a super businessman, then Obama stabilizing the economy makes him a super president. If Obama stabilizing the economy but failing to grow it makes Obama a failure as president, then failing to grow Godfather's after stabilizing it makes Cain a failure as a businessman.

Any claims of increased profitability cannot be confirmed because the chain did not report its profits as a stand alone unit. All their numbers show is their place in the market in comparison to their competition. For anyone to claim anything beyond that means they must have access to data not available to researchers in the restaurant industry, which means they are full of shit.

Basically, Cain was a motivational speaker for the franchise. That's what the people in the chain remember him most for, not as a brilliant businessman. Like Obama, Cain is all talk.

I believe if you check the figures, Cain closed almost 200 units but managed to keep the business volume at the same levels as before. Now you may not be impressed by that but as a restaurant man, I am. I'm also impressed by his ability to take the worst performing Burger King region in the company and in three years turn it into the best performing region. That isn't the mark of someone who is "all talk"...that's the mark of someone who performs the job for which he was hired. Barack Obama is NOTHING like Cain.

The figures I found from various restaurant trade sources, Cain refuses to release earnings numbers, show in 1985 sales were $325 million. Cain takes over early 1986 and in 1995 his last year in charge his sales were $260 million. I don't know what figures you are using but that looks like a significant loss to me. During his tenure, Godfather's fell from 5th place to 11th place in sales among pizza chains.

 

[edthecynic]

edthelibidiot,

The irrefutable historical fact is that Obama was Bill Ayer's sidekick at ACORN, the criminally indicted voter scam organization by the FBI. These two political whackjobs shared speaker platforms and were frequently seen together at the various restaurants.

Bill Ayers is the unrepentant, homicidal, commie/terrorist maniac. Now, appropriately, employed as one of the demented liberal profs at the ultra liberal "prestigious" ivy league schools. If you check the Wikipedia with the google: 'Bill Ayers Presidential Election Controversies' you will find reference to the well established fact that Obama did kick off his senatorial career from the Ayer's home.

In typical CON$ervative fashion, when called on their lies CON$ just keep repeating the same lies over and over. Everyone who isn't a brainwashed moron knows Obama kicked off his Senate campaign at the Hyatt Regency Hotel in Chicago. Everything else you posted is even less credible than your Ayres' House kick off bullshit!!!

It may be that the Pathological Liar and Monumental Fraud Obama, in addition to the Senatorial kickoff from Ayers' home, had a Senatorial Campaign meeting in the Hyatt Regency Hotel ...... a non substantiated bit of fluff by you......but that is an extremely minor point compared to the rest of the historically documented facts of Obama's ACORN employment as a Rabble Rouser at the FBI criminally indicted voter fraud organization in ~15 States. Together with the unrepentant homicidal Commie/Terrorist maniac Ayers being his friend, the sharing of the speaking platforms and being members on the board of ACORN. The numerous photo-ops of these two shitheads in restaurants, the rise in the Notoriously Corrupt Chicago Political Machine run by Commies and Mafioso as Ayers' protege......and finally the twenty year tenure in the Black racist "goddamn America" whackjob Wright's Temple of Hate where the arrogant pathological liar Obama claimed that his head was buried so deep in his arse that he wasn't aware of what was happening...... ........and, for you, I suppose, that is also some conservative type of bullshit

Stop acting as though you are a 10000 carat moron, and thinking everyone around you is one also.

You are really one pathetic lump of pigshit.

Thank you for proving my point.

 

[Oldstyle]

I find it interesting that even though you provide no links, Jarhead has not demanded that you back your claims with links like he did me!!!! It's pretty obvious who has a double standard here!

Since you provided no links, I need no links to contradict you.

Godfather's was not ready to go bankrupt, troubled yes, but they were not ready to prepare any bankruptcy papers when Pilsbury bought them. Like everything else you posted, an exaggeration.

There were over 800 "units" when Pilsbury bought the franchise, and there are 620 now. During Cain's reign it did not outpace Pizza Hut or Domono's. By closing the poorer performing "units" Cain was able to stabilize the chain, but that was it. He couldn't grow it, kinda like Obama stabilizing the failed and troubled Bush economy but not being able to grow it, so if stabilizing Godfather's makes Cain a super businessman, then Obama stabilizing the economy makes him a super president. If Obama stabilizing the economy but failing to grow it makes Obama a failure as president, then failing to grow Godfather's after stabilizing it makes Cain a failure as a businessman.

Any claims of increased profitability cannot be confirmed because the chain did not report its profits as a stand alone unit. All their numbers show is their place in the market in comparison to their competition. For anyone to claim anything beyond that means they must have access to data not available to researchers in the restaurant industry, which means they are full of shit.

Basically, Cain was a motivational speaker for the franchise. That's what the people in the chain remember him most for, not as a brilliant businessman. Like Obama, Cain is all talk.

I believe if you check the figures, Cain closed almost 200 units but managed to keep the business volume at the same levels as before. Now you may not be impressed by that but as a restaurant man, I am. I'm also impressed by his ability to take the worst performing Burger King region in the company and in three years turn it into the best performing region. That isn't the mark of someone who is "all talk"...that's the mark of someone who performs the job for which he was hired. Barack Obama is NOTHING like Cain.

The figures I found from various restaurant trade sources, Cain refuses to release earnings numbers, show in 1985 sales were $325 million. Cain takes over early 1986 and in 1995 his last year in charge his sales were $260 million. I don't know what figures you are using but that looks like a significant loss to me. During his tenure, Godfather's fell from 5th place to 11th place in sales among pizza chains.

What would those "restaurant trade sources" be, Ed?

 

[edthecynic]

I believe if you check the figures, Cain closed almost 200 units but managed to keep the business volume at the same levels as before. Now you may not be impressed by that but as a restaurant man, I am. I'm also impressed by his ability to take the worst performing Burger King region in the company and in three years turn it into the best performing region. That isn't the mark of someone who is "all talk"...that's the mark of someone who performs the job for which he was hired. Barack Obama is NOTHING like Cain.

The figures I found from various restaurant trade sources, Cain refuses to release earnings numbers, show in 1985 sales were $325 million. Cain takes over early 1986 and in 1995 his last year in charge his sales were $260 million. I don't know what figures you are using but that looks like a significant loss to me. During his tenure, Godfather's fell from 5th place to 11th place in sales among pizza chains.

What would those "restaurant trade sources" be, Ed?

I noticed YOU gave no sources for YOUR "figures."

'That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.'
- Christopher Hitchens

 

[Oldstyle]

The figures I found from various restaurant trade sources, Cain refuses to release earnings numbers, show in 1985 sales were $325 million. Cain takes over early 1986 and in 1995 his last year in charge his sales were $260 million. I don't know what figures you are using but that looks like a significant loss to me. During his tenure, Godfather's fell from 5th place to 11th place in sales among pizza chains.

What would those "restaurant trade sources" be, Ed?

I noticed YOU gave no sources for YOUR "figures."

'That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.'
- Christopher Hitchens

Ah, Ed? My "figures" were what was quoted by other posters here. So did you want to tell me what your restaurant trade sources were? I'm curious since you now seem so determined not to provide them.

 

[editec]

Hey I ran a resturant that was profitable.

Maybe I should be president?

I promise, if you elect me to the office of President:

All tables will have enough sugar, salt and pepper; all watresses will be beautiful and pleasant, and your food will come in a timely fashion.

And if we have a foreign crises?

We can do take out.

But NO Chinese!

I am sick to death of Chinese food.

 

[edthecynic]

What would those "restaurant trade sources" be, Ed?

I noticed YOU gave no sources for YOUR "figures."

'That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.'
- Christopher Hitchens

Ah, Ed? My "figures" were what was quoted by other posters here. So did you want to tell me what your restaurant trade sources were? I'm curious since you now seem so determined not to provide them.

I'm the only person who gave any numbers, none of the other posters gave any sources. One who said he would bet me I have no sources backed down when challenged to put a number to his bet.

'That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.'
- Christopher Hitchens

 

[Texanmike]

PIZZA JOINT vs. U.S. GOVERNMENT.

Just because Cain ran a pizza joint do not mean he is capable of running the U.S. Government. If that was so the president of Kentucky Fried Chicken, Taco Bell, Safeway, Wal-Mart, Krispy Kream Donut and Donald Trump can run the government. Donald knew you cannot run the government like you run a business. That’s just like saying Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse can run Disney Land and Junior can run the city play ground. Cain running the U.S. Government. Hell no

Sounds like someones a... well, it rhymes with spacist.

Mike

 

[Oldstyle]

I noticed YOU gave no sources for YOUR "figures."

'That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.'
- Christopher Hitchens

Ah, Ed? My "figures" were what was quoted by other posters here. So did you want to tell me what your restaurant trade sources were? I'm curious since you now seem so determined not to provide them.

I'm the only person who gave any numbers, none of the other posters gave any sources. One who said he would bet me I have no sources backed down when challenged to put a number to his bet.

'That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.'
- Christopher Hitchens

And yet you're now refusing to say where those numbers came from, Ed. Why is that? My guess would be you didn't get them from restaurant trade sources but rather got them from an internet source critical of Cain which you now don't want to reveal because it will show you didn't do the work you said you did.

 

[edthecynic]

Ah, Ed? My "figures" were what was quoted by other posters here. So did you want to tell me what your restaurant trade sources were? I'm curious since you now seem so determined not to provide them.

I'm the only person who gave any numbers, none of the other posters gave any sources. One who said he would bet me I have no sources backed down when challenged to put a number to his bet.

'That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.'
- Christopher Hitchens

And yet you're now refusing to say where those numbers came from, Ed. Why is that? My guess would be you didn't get them from restaurant trade sources but rather got them from an internet source critical of Cain which you now don't want to reveal because it will show you didn't do the work you said you did.

Now the unsourced claims that come from pro Cain internet sites are perfectly OK with you as you cited them when posted here as your "source." When you demand sources for the pro Cain claims I will consider posting my sources.

'That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.'
- Christopher Hitchens

 

[Full-Auto]

I'm the only person who gave any numbers, none of the other posters gave any sources. One who said he would bet me I have no sources backed down when challenged to put a number to his bet.

'That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.'
- Christopher Hitchens

And yet you're now refusing to say where those numbers came from, Ed. Why is that? My guess would be you didn't get them from restaurant trade sources but rather got them from an internet source critical of Cain which you now don't want to reveal because it will show you didn't do the work you said you did.

Now the unsourced claims that come from pro Cain internet sites are perfectly OK with you as you cited them when posted here as your "source." When you demand sources for the pro Cain claims I will consider posting my sources.

'That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.'
- Christopher Hitchens

The following day, Still the blowhard with no links. That was yesterdays point that is still holding up today.

 

[bodhisattva]

In typical CON$ervative fashion, when called on their lies CON$ just keep repeating the same lies over and over. Everyone who isn't a brainwashed moron knows Obama kicked off his Senate campaign at the Hyatt Regency Hotel in Chicago. Everything else you posted is even less credible than your Ayres' House kick off bullshit!!!

It may be that the Pathological Liar and Monumental Fraud Obama, in addition to the Senatorial kickoff from Ayers' home, had a Senatorial Campaign meeting in the Hyatt Regency Hotel ...... a non substantiated bit of fluff by you......but that is an extremely minor point compared to the rest of the historically documented facts of Obama's ACORN employment as a Rabble Rouser at the FBI criminally indicted voter fraud organization in ~15 States. Together with the unrepentant homicidal Commie/Terrorist maniac Ayers being his friend, the sharing of the speaking platforms and being members on the board of ACORN. The numerous photo-ops of these two shitheads in restaurants, the rise in the Notoriously Corrupt Chicago Political Machine run by Commies and Mafioso as Ayers' protege......and finally the twenty year tenure in the Black racist "goddamn America" whackjob Wright's Temple of Hate where the arrogant pathological liar Obama claimed that his head was buried so deep in his arse that he wasn't aware of what was happening...... ........and, for you, I suppose, that is also some conservative type of bullshit

Stop acting as though you are a 10000 carat moron, and thinking everyone around you is one also.

You are really one pathetic lump of pigshit.

Thank you for proving my point.

EdTheMonumentalIdiot,

You are so stupid that you don't have the mental ability to realize that you just got a gigantic cock up your arse.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Does the OP realize that Herman Cain was the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City?
Do you realize what that entails?

Wow. Talk about a really stupid thread.

Well, the OP doesn't seem to realize that Pillsbury - which owned Godfather's at the time - appears to have used Cain as a troubleshooter to turn around its failing subsidiaries, or what THAT entails. I'd say that right now, the United States could use someone with that brand of clear-eyed pragmatism and problem-solving capability.

And any reverses Godfather's experienced were AFTER Cain left, just FYI.

I'd like to know what else the OP and minions think Cain needs to learn from "more time in political position", aside from becoming a lying hack like all the politicians the American people already don't trust.

It amazes me that our nation has gone from a tradition of citizen politicians, who basically did their civic duty and then went home to their real lives, from the strange notion that the only people who can govern "properly" are the ones who've never HAD real lives.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Hey Zona, now do you see why us on the right advocate young people to abstain from sex to avoid having a kid when they are 15, and staying in school and getting a diploma so they can get a job that pays MORE than minimum wage?

MW jobs are for teenagers to get experience in the workforce, NOT for raising families. So they either need to A) Not have a family at age 15, or B) Dont screw up enough to end up working for minimum wage at age 35.

If you fail at A and B, well, we aren't obligated to help you.

How do you still be working for minimum wage at 35? I mean, at the very least, shouldn't you have gotten at least one raise and/or promotion by that time?