Philip Seymour Hoffman is dead

[Luddly Neddite]

you did not? you are an exception for your leftard crowd which is bend in awe on the prospect of pot legalization?

are you against it?

Why are you asking? You already said you know what I believe.

If you wouldn't lie, you wouldn't have to come back with this lame ass demand for what I really believe.

Piss off, liar.

becasue if you re against it - you can state it right now - clearly and openly and I will consider you the only one leftard which agrees pot is harmful and is against it's legalization. And if you will answer the question I might apologize to you if you are not the part of sheeple on the issue.

But you know you won't - as you are a part of the glorification crowd

Oh do shut up.

Or, at least, stop digging yourself in deeper.

 

[Vox]

So... what he said wasn't what you said he said? You didn't come out and admit to lying, but at least it's a step forward.

So, where is your demand for the proof of PJ statement, liar?

First off all, I didn't agree with him. I stated that "not true" isn't a legitimate rebuttal to anything. He didn't say that overdoses don't happen. You lied.

Why didn't you ask HIM for a proof of a fallacious statement?

he made it BEFORE mine calling his statement BS - and by all rules of discussion - HE has to prove it and if you are not a liar - you should demand HIM to prove his statement.

so, where is your demand to PJ to provide proof of his statement?

Where drugs are legal, and addicts get their shots administered, this kind of tragedy is rare.

not true

You can't just say "not true". People expect you to backup your bullshit with facts sometimes.

.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

people can expect whatever they want. but only after they provide the proof to their bogus claim( where drugs are legal this tragedy does not happen) - and that idiocy did not require proof for you as I see.

your defense of this bogus claim proves exactly that - your personal glorification of the drug usage.

so stop lying and state it openly.

I never said a single thing you claim I did, and neither did Luddly. That's why you are a liar. Just admit you made shit up about us. Admit that we said nothing you claimed we did. Admit that you are a ******* liar. You know people can read your bullshit to confirm that, right? You even quoted the shit you lied about. Don't quote something I said, and make up your own narrative as you go along, you ******* snake.

If you walk past two men standing on a corner engaged in an obviously pointless and foolish argument, do you bother to determine which of them is the fool -- if not both? Or do you not waste your time and just keep walking?

If the latter, then that is what the Ignore feature is for.

Exactly my thought.

 

[Michelle420]

you did not? you are an exception for your leftard crowd which is bend in awe on the prospect of pot legalization?

are you against it?

I don't do drugs myself.

I do know a girl who was born with spina bifida and she was on all sorts of strong prescription drugs and her doctor got her off oxy and put her on med pot and she seems to be doing a lot better.

It seems to me that under supervision there is some benefit to it.




What do you think about it?

people use morphine and other opiates everyday. when it is prescribed and considered a drug, is controlled and used as a medication, not a recreational activity.

same can be done with marijuana or any other addictive drug, for that matter. Cocaine solution is used in some instances as local anesthetic and it is a very good one for those uses.

But neither morphine, nor hydromorphone, nor cocaine solution as local anesthetic is considered as "harmless" "recreational" activity.

Pot is.
But is is addictive and harmful in many ways and in some instances - worse than opiates.

Should it be decriminalized? Yes. it should.

Should it be glorified as it is now? No.
And it is not only glorified it is basically propagated by many sources - with information which is not only deceitful but simply untrue.

Yeah some people feel the same way about how the e-vapor shops are selling capt crunch flavored nicotine liquid.

Wimmer argues that Big Tobacco companies are using electronic cigarettes to create "new nicotine addicts" and that they are enticing youth with flavors such as bubble gum and cotton candy.

According to the American Lung Association piece: "Big Tobacco desperately needs new nicotine addicts and is up to its old tricks to make sure it gets them. E-cigarettes are being aggressively marketed to children with flavors like Bazooka Bubble Gum, Cap'n Crunch and Cotton Candy. Joe Camel was killed in the 1990s, but cartoon characters are back promoting e-cigarettes."

The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: American Lung Association Massively Deceiving the Public in National Electronic Cigarette Op-Ed Piece

I don't like the marketing tactic and smoking doesn't have any health value but it's legal.

I look at pot and booze the same way.

That's why they have 12 step groups to help people who get addicted to smoking cigs, or pot or alcohol.

But personally, I wish nobody got addicted to any of them.

 

[Vox]

Why are you asking? You already said you know what I believe.

If you wouldn't lie, you wouldn't have to come back with this lame ass demand for what I really believe.

Piss off, liar.

becasue if you re against it - you can state it right now - clearly and openly and I will consider you the only one leftard which agrees pot is harmful and is against it's legalization. And if you will answer the question I might apologize to you if you are not the part of sheeple on the issue.

But you know you won't - as you are a part of the glorification crowd

Oh do shut up.

Or, at least, stop digging yourself in deeper.

well you have just proved that you ARE a supporter of pot legalization nationwide and consider it harmless as all your crowd does which I was stating all along

don't deny it next time, liar.

 

[Noomi]

He was brilliant. One of the greatest actors this generation has ever seen.

Poor ****** was found with the needle still in his arm, that is how they knew it was a drug overdose.
Jesus Christ. Yet another one. What is it about celebrity that is so miserable?

RIP Phil. You were brilliant, and we will miss you.

 

[Vox]

I don't do drugs myself.

I do know a girl who was born with spina bifida and she was on all sorts of strong prescription drugs and her doctor got her off oxy and put her on med pot and she seems to be doing a lot better.

It seems to me that under supervision there is some benefit to it.




What do you think about it?

people use morphine and other opiates everyday. when it is prescribed and considered a drug, is controlled and used as a medication, not a recreational activity.

same can be done with marijuana or any other addictive drug, for that matter. Cocaine solution is used in some instances as local anesthetic and it is a very good one for those uses.

But neither morphine, nor hydromorphone, nor cocaine solution as local anesthetic is considered as "harmless" "recreational" activity.

Pot is.
But is is addictive and harmful in many ways and in some instances - worse than opiates.

Should it be decriminalized? Yes. it should.

Should it be glorified as it is now? No.
And it is not only glorified it is basically propagated by many sources - with information which is not only deceitful but simply untrue.

Yeah some people feel the same way about how the e-vapor shops are selling capt crunch flavored nicotine liquid.

Wimmer argues that Big Tobacco companies are using electronic cigarettes to create "new nicotine addicts" and that they are enticing youth with flavors such as bubble gum and cotton candy.

According to the American Lung Association piece: "Big Tobacco desperately needs new nicotine addicts and is up to its old tricks to make sure it gets them. E-cigarettes are being aggressively marketed to children with flavors like Bazooka Bubble Gum, Cap'n Crunch and Cotton Candy. Joe Camel was killed in the 1990s, but cartoon characters are back promoting e-cigarettes."

The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: American Lung Association Massively Deceiving the Public in National Electronic Cigarette Op-Ed Piece

I don't like the marketing tactic and smoking doesn't have any health value but it's legal.

I look at pot and booze the same way.

That's why they have 12 step groups to help people who get addicted to smoking cigs, or pot or alcohol.

But personally, I wish nobody got addicted to any of them.

nicotine is actually much less harmful than the tars and smoke from the cigarettes. it is addictive, but it is not the nicotine that causes all cancers and other bag of goodies.

and in order to nobody to get addicted - the substances should be discussed at least as cigarettes are - not described by the "bohemian culture" as "harmless"

 

[Gracie]

What is it about celebrity that is so miserable?

Can't go get groceries without being mobbed.
Can't go to the movies.
Can't get on a plane.
Can't go to the library or a museum or a fun park?
No privacy without papparazi
Meeting people who only want to brag they know you.
Cant find someone to love you for you and only see dollar signs.
Being human and making mistakes?

All the above?

 

[Noomi]

What is it about celebrity that is so miserable?

Can't go get groceries without being mobbed.
Can't go to the movies.
Can't get on a plane.
Can't go to the library or a museum or a fun park?
No privacy without papparazi
Meeting people who only want to brag they know you.
Cant find someone to love you for you and only see dollar signs.
Being human and making mistakes?

All the above?

If its such a hard and lonely life, why do people choose that career? So many celebrities look happy, but underneath, they are just ticking time bombs because no one knows how depressed they are. Its so ******* sad.

 

[Michelle420]

people use morphine and other opiates everyday. when it is prescribed and considered a drug, is controlled and used as a medication, not a recreational activity.

same can be done with marijuana or any other addictive drug, for that matter. Cocaine solution is used in some instances as local anesthetic and it is a very good one for those uses.

But neither morphine, nor hydromorphone, nor cocaine solution as local anesthetic is considered as "harmless" "recreational" activity.

Pot is.
But is is addictive and harmful in many ways and in some instances - worse than opiates.

Should it be decriminalized? Yes. it should.

Should it be glorified as it is now? No.
And it is not only glorified it is basically propagated by many sources - with information which is not only deceitful but simply untrue.

Yeah some people feel the same way about how the e-vapor shops are selling capt crunch flavored nicotine liquid.

Wimmer argues that Big Tobacco companies are using electronic cigarettes to create "new nicotine addicts" and that they are enticing youth with flavors such as bubble gum and cotton candy.

According to the American Lung Association piece: "Big Tobacco desperately needs new nicotine addicts and is up to its old tricks to make sure it gets them. E-cigarettes are being aggressively marketed to children with flavors like Bazooka Bubble Gum, Cap'n Crunch and Cotton Candy. Joe Camel was killed in the 1990s, but cartoon characters are back promoting e-cigarettes."

The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: American Lung Association Massively Deceiving the Public in National Electronic Cigarette Op-Ed Piece

I don't like the marketing tactic and smoking doesn't have any health value but it's legal.

I look at pot and booze the same way.

That's why they have 12 step groups to help people who get addicted to smoking cigs, or pot or alcohol.

But personally, I wish nobody got addicted to any of them.

what does e-vapor has to do with a KNOWN THC toxicity and addiction potential and the lame stream media and the general "bohemian" approach to it as "harmless"?

nicotine is actually much less harmful than the tars and smoke from the cigarettes.

Oh well on the e vapor I also hoped you would notice the flavors they market since nicotine is addictive and they seem to target children.

Why are cigs still legal they cause lung cancer?

 

[Vox]

Oh well on the e vapor I also hoped you would notice the flavors they market since nicotine is addictive and they seem to target children.

Why are cigs still legal they cause lung cancer?

if you ask me? I would ban them

they do not cause stoning and therefore a cig smoker does not have impaired ability to function.

and nobody glorifies cigs if you haven't noticed. quite to the contrary.

 

[Vox]

What is it about celebrity that is so miserable?

Can't go get groceries without being mobbed.
Can't go to the movies.
Can't get on a plane.
Can't go to the library or a museum or a fun park?
No privacy without papparazi
Meeting people who only want to brag they know you.
Cant find someone to love you for you and only see dollar signs.
Being human and making mistakes?

All the above?

If its such a hard and lonely life, why do people choose that career? So many celebrities look happy, but underneath, they are just ticking time bombs because no one knows how depressed they are. Its so ******* sad.

He became addicted when he was very young and was not a celebrity, but a teenager or in his very early 20s. He was clean for 23 years.

But drug addiction is for life - and can hit you anytime again. and it did.

 

[Michelle420]

Oh well on the e vapor I also hoped you would notice the flavors they market since nicotine is addictive and they seem to target children.

Why are cigs still legal they cause lung cancer?

if you ask me? I would ban them

they do not cause stoning and therefore a cig smoker does not have impaired ability to function.

and nobody glorifies cigs if you haven't noticed. quite to the contrary.

Well I think the marketing team glorifies smoking to kids but we don't have to agree on that.

I am glad to hear you say you would ban all of it because at least your are consistent with your convictions on addictions.

 

[Vox]

Oh well on the e vapor I also hoped you would notice the flavors they market since nicotine is addictive and they seem to target children.

Why are cigs still legal they cause lung cancer?

if you ask me? I would ban them

they do not cause stoning and therefore a cig smoker does not have impaired ability to function.

and nobody glorifies cigs if you haven't noticed. quite to the contrary.

Well I think the marketing team glorifies smoking to kids but we don't have to agree on that.

I am glad to hear you say you would ban all of it because at least your are consistent with your convictions on addictions.

you mean the ones with e-cigs?

I haven't seen that but if that is true - that also should be counteracted.

addiction is a disease. often a mortal one.
and very hard to treat.

easier to prevent.
with any means possible. obviously harsh criminal punishment does not work - but it does not mean that the pendulum has to swing to the other extreme and make it all "good and helpful".
decriminalization does not equate legalization, btw.

 

[Katzndogz]

It's hard to get upset over another junkie dying of an overdose. This is what liberals want to legalize. There is said to be a very lethal heroin on the streets. It is heroin mixed with painkiller. The effect is supposed to be an instantaneous enormous high followed by death. Since it kills so quickly and this one was found with the needle still in his arm, it raises the question of whether he was using this new product. If it reduces the number of addicts how can it be so bad.

The problem is - in a society so shallow in values as ours, where celebrities are the role models for millions of kids - this IS something which should make people be upset.

Values aren't shallow. It is just the wrong values. It's the stupidity of the deadly concept of drug legalization and promoting drugs as safe. Cory Monteith died of a drug overdose not that long ago. We honor addicts. We offer mourning and respect when their names should be dragged through the mud and buried in shame.

 

[MikeK]

Let it be a reminder of how bad opiates can **** you up. Doesn't have to be heroin. Oxy or Codeine will do the same thing. Heroin is a hard one to kick. He's probably better off dead.

It really depends on whether or not one is an addictive personality and if so how deep the psychological involvement is. Some individuals can use any drug, including heroin, develop a craving for its effect, then one day decide to stop using it and manage to do so without great difficulty. Such individuals are relatively stable psychologically and their habit is essentially physical with no self-destructive psychological component.

Others become so irresistibly addicted they cannot overcome their compulsions no matter what they do, or how hard they try, or how much help they are given. These are degenerate addictive personalities and in extreme examples are beyond any hope for withdrawal. They are essentially suicidal but are taking the long way home.

The most powerful example of purely physical addiction (with sometimes psychological reinforcement) is alcoholism, which is by far the most difficult addiction of all to control because of the substantial physical effect that (toxic) chemical has on certain brain cells.

As I mentioned in an earlier message, I was addicted to nicotine for 35 years but I managed to quit. Yet I know people who have tried everything including hypnosis but cannot stop smoking cigarettes. Also, because of a painful spine condition I have been using ten to fifteen Mg. Percocet on a daily basis for the past three years. In spite of this drug's notoriously addictive reputation I never experience a craving for it and I'm sure I could stop using it if I wish to. What all this means is, fortunately for me, I am not an addictive personality.

 

[Vox]

It's hard to get upset over another junkie dying of an overdose. This is what liberals want to legalize. There is said to be a very lethal heroin on the streets. It is heroin mixed with painkiller. The effect is supposed to be an instantaneous enormous high followed by death. Since it kills so quickly and this one was found with the needle still in his arm, it raises the question of whether he was using this new product. If it reduces the number of addicts how can it be so bad.

The problem is - in a society so shallow in values as ours, where celebrities are the role models for millions of kids - this IS something which should make people be upset.

Values aren't shallow. It is just the wrong values. It's the stupidity of the deadly concept of drug legalization and promoting drugs as safe. Cory Monteith died of a drug overdose not that long ago. We honor addicts. We offer mourning and respect when their names should be dragged through the mud and buried in shame.

I absolutely agree on the bolded part.

 

[Vox]

Let it be a reminder of how bad opiates can **** you up. Doesn't have to be heroin. Oxy or Codeine will do the same thing. Heroin is a hard one to kick. He's probably better off dead.

It really depends on whether or not one is an addictive personality and if so how deep the psychological involvement is. Some individuals can use any drug, including heroin, develop a craving for its effect, then one day decide to stop using it and manage to do so without great difficulty. Such individuals are relatively stable psychologically and their habit is essentially physical with no self-destructive psychological component.

Others become so irresistibly addicted they cannot overcome their compulsions no matter what they do, or how hard they try, or how much help they are given. These are degenerate addictive personalities and in extreme examples are beyond any hope for withdrawal. They are essentially suicidal but are taking the long way home.

The most powerful example of purely physical addiction (with sometimes psychological reinforcement) is alcoholism, which is by far the most difficult addiction of all to control because of the substantial physical effect that (toxic) chemical has on certain brain cells.

As I mentioned in an earlier message, I was addicted to nicotine for 35 years but I managed to quit. Yet I know people who have tried everything including hypnosis but cannot stop smoking cigarettes. Also, because of a painful spine condition I have been using ten to fifteen Mg. Percocet on a daily basis for the past three years. In spite of this drug's notoriously addictive reputation I never experience a craving for it and I'm sure I could stop using it if I wish to. What all this means is, fortunately for me, I am not an addictive personality.

addiction is not psychological. it is physical. not everybody has the same set of enzymes as their neighbor. some can get addicted just from one dose.

if you use narcotic analgesics for pain - you won't get addicted as you need it ( in case of acute pain, chronic pain has totally different pathogenesis). if you use it too long - that is a different story.you not having any side effects by using percocet for back pain - is exactly because of that.

but addiction disease has absolutely nothing to do with psychological part - it is the physical one which makes it so moribund.

alcoholism, btw, is one of the easier controlled addictions. much easier than nicotine addiction or drug addiction ones.
and much easier to manage.

 

[Katzndogz]

All flavors of e-cig vapors come in no nicotine varieties. There is nothing wrong with their use by anyone including children. Nicotine by itself is no more dangerous than caffeine. There is certainly no mental impairment like there is with pot.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

What is it about celebrity that is so miserable?

Can't go get groceries without being mobbed.
Can't go to the movies.
Can't get on a plane.
Can't go to the library or a museum or a fun park?
No privacy without papparazi
Meeting people who only want to brag they know you.
Cant find someone to love you for you and only see dollar signs.
Being human and making mistakes?

All the above?

If its such a hard and lonely life, why do people choose that career? So many celebrities look happy, but underneath, they are just ticking time bombs because no one knows how depressed they are. Its so ******* sad.

People who choose to become actors, comedians, singers etc. always have this incredible hunger to be worshipped and applauded.
When the applause stops, much of the time they get into deep depressions.