Peter was married- if he was the first pope why cant priests be married in the RCC?

[kjw47]

When an angel opened the prison gates for St. Paul the jailer had his entire family /household baptized.

People who aren't baptized die with the stain of Original Sin on them.

Death is a punishment for ones own sins, not anyone elses. God is a God of justice.

 

[Thors Provoni]

Jesus healed Peter’s mother-in-law one time.
No mention of Peter’s wife - no word on whether she was still living when Simon was named Peter.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

The celibate priesthood goes way back.

Way back to long after Peter's or Jesus' time; or anything covered in the Bible.

1 Timothy 3:1-5

1. This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3. Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4. One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5. (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

​

1 Timothy 4:1-3

1. Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2. Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3. Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

​

 

[Bob Blaylock]

There is no evidence that Peter's wife was alive when Christ chose him and changed his name from Simon to Peter.

Nor is there any evidence that she wasn't alive. Just an effort to force a historical uncertainty into a man-made apostate doctrine that came much later.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

No, the proposition is that Peter was married. It is up to you or others to show that his wife was still alive when Jesus selected him and change his name from Simon to Peter.

At this point, it is unknowable whether Peter's wife was still with him, at that time, or not.

You're the one who is asserting that he was widowed or otherwise not in a marriage, at the time. If there is any burden of proof, then it is on you to support that assertion.

 

[rightnow909]

He wasn't a Pope.

Peter was the first pope

and is probably still "pope" some way or another in Heaven because... God knew there would be bad popes... Pope F is right on about many things, but he always seems to want to mix truth w/ error... or truth with half truth...

I had to give that dude to God... can't figure him out, really

 

[rightnow909]

You are correct about baptism. One must dedicate their lives to God forever in their heart. Baptism is the symbol of that. An 8 year old doesnt have a clue--Jesus was 30 when he got baptized. Isnt he our example to follow his footsteps as best as we can?

baptism is more than a symbol

It actually washes away sin if you are baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy spirit

There is a scripture for this ... something about being baptized in water AND the Holy Spirit

 

[surada]

baptism is more than a symbol

It actually washes away sin if you are baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy spirit

There is a scripture for this ... something about being baptized in water AND the Holy Spirit

Original sin wasn't doctrine until the 4th century.

BBC - Religions - Christianity: Original sin

Christians believe all of humanity is born with a built-in urge to do bad things. They believe original sin stems from Adam and Eve's disobedience to God.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[rightnow909]

Original sin wasn't doctrine until the 4th century.

BBC - Religions - Christianity: Original sin

Christians believe all of humanity is born with a built-in urge to do bad things. They believe original sin stems from Adam and Eve's disobedience to God.

www.bbc.co.uk

oh please. That's not true

but I won't argue w/ someone whose mind is made up

 

[rightnow909]

Catholic priests could marry in the old days but after about the beginning of the 11th century, celibacy was .. well, I hear it was kind of demanded by the People.. '

The wisdom of "the people"

an amazing thing... whether you're talking about celibacy

or politics... I think nostalgically of the Trump years in particular... The people knew...The people know

That's why the elite criminals who never go to jail 4 some reason, knew they had to steal it, the laws be damned, the US Constitution be damned. They knew the People would vote for Trump and of course they did... but Trump votes got cancelled/replaced

 

[surada]

oh please. That's not true

but I won't argue w/ someone whose mind is made up

Actually it is true. You can study the history. Meanwhile, concerning whether Peter was married or not:

Was Saint Peter Married? - Catholic Straight Answers

St. Matthew recorded in the Gospel, “Jesus entered Peter’s house and found Peter’s mother-in-law in bed with a fever. He took her by the hand and the fever left her” (Mt 8:14-15). Note that the passage does not mention St. … Continued

catholicstraightanswers.com

 

[kjw47]

baptism is more than a symbol

It actually washes away sin if you are baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy spirit

There is a scripture for this ... something about being baptized in water AND the Holy Spirit

Actually-repentance gets sin blotted out-Acts 3:19---Repentance = the stopping of the doing of the sin. That is what turn around means at Acts 3:19

 

[kjw47]

Peter was the first pope

and is probably still "pope" some way or another in Heaven because... God knew there would be bad popes... Pope F is right on about many things, but he always seems to want to mix truth w/ error... or truth with half truth...

I had to give that dude to God... can't figure him out, really

No such word in the bible as Pope. And the Pope is called holy Father---trying to elevate himself into Gods position. The Pope has fathered nothing spiritual, all spiritual things originate with the true Holy Father= God. That religion cant even understand simple bible milk--For one thing, the bible condemns the usage of statues, icons and graven images, yet the churches and homes are filled with all 3.
The bible teaches--Do not call any man on earth Father--not speaking of a Dad but of a spiritual teacher.(Matt 23:9) They fail this simple milk 100%
And one of the worst of all, in their pictures of Jesus, they portray him bringing dishonor to his Fathers name by having long hair. No Israelite male had long hair-1Cor 11:14)--
Their own encyclopedia proves 100% they created the trinity god, and in reality it does not exist--misleading billions into breaking Gods #1 commandment daily. Not a place one wants to be standing.
Jesus was NEVER with that religion, nor any of its 33,998 branches

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Actually it is true. You can study the history. Meanwhile, concerning whether Peter was married or not:

Was Saint Peter Married? - Catholic Straight Answers

St. Matthew recorded in the Gospel, “Jesus entered Peter’s house and found Peter’s mother-in-law in bed with a fever. He took her by the hand and the fever left her” (Mt 8:14-15). Note that the passage does not mention St. … Continued

catholicstraightanswers.com

From the article…

St. Matthew recorded in the Gospel, “Jesus entered Peter’s house and found Peter’s mother-in-law in bed with a fever. He took her by the hand and the fever left her” (Mt 8:14-15). Note that the passage does not mention St. Peter’s wife, but only his mother-in-law. The Gospels, however, make no mention of St. Peter’s wife, living or nonliving. Therefore, St. Peter’s wife must have died before Jesus called him to be an apostle.​

That's a non-sequitur.

That Peter's wife is not mentioned does not rationally support the conclusion that she had died, or otherwise that she was not present; just that she was not relevant to the story being told.

In the culture of that time and place, it was very unusual for a man not to be married. Although none of the other apostle's wives are mentioned, nor Jesus' wife, it is almost certain that most of them were married, and that their wives were alive. If they were single, that would have been very unusual, and much more worthy of mention, than the fact that they were married would have been.

 

[surada]

From the article…

St. Matthew recorded in the Gospel, “Jesus entered Peter’s house and found Peter’s mother-in-law in bed with a fever. He took her by the hand and the fever left her” (Mt 8:14-15). Note that the passage does not mention St. Peter’s wife, but only his mother-in-law. The Gospels, however, make no mention of St. Peter’s wife, living or nonliving. Therefore, St. Peter’s wife must have died before Jesus called him to be an apostle.​

That's a non-sequitur.

That Peter's wife is not mentioned does not rationally support the conclusion that she had died, or otherwise that she was not present; just that she was not relevant to the story being told.

In the culture of that time and place, it was very unusual for a man not to be married. Although none of the other apostle's wives are mentioned, nor Jesus' wife, it is almost certain that most of them were married, and that their wives were alive. If they were single, that would have been very unusual, and much more worthy of mention, than the fact that they were married would have been.

If Peter had a mother in law he had a wife at some point.

 

[Thors Provoni]

It is unlikely to me that Peter’s mother-in-law would be living in Peter’s house if Peter’s wife was not living there also.

 

[surada]

It is unlikely to me that Peter’s mother-in-law would be living in Peter’s house if Peter’s wife was not living there also.

If the mother in-law had no son, where would she go?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

If Peter had a mother in law he had a wife at some point.

 

[Thors Provoni]

The mother-in-law was healed and served the disciples. Doesn’t mention Peter’s wife serving the disciples. Doesn’t mean she was dead, though. I don’t know.

Did Peter ever live in Rome?

 

[surada]

The mother-in-law was healed and served the disciples. Doesn’t mention Peter’s wife serving the disciples. Doesn’t mean she was dead, though. I don’t know.

Did Peter ever live in Rome?

There's a tradition that he did live in Rome.

St. Peter the Apostle - Tradition of Peter in Rome

The problems surrounding the residence, martyrdom, and burial of Peter are among the most complicated of all those encountered in the study of the New Testament and the early church. The absence of any reference in Acts or Romans to a residence of Peter in Rome gives pause but is not conclusive...

www.britannica.com