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House Dems: Senate is 'dithering'
House Democrats long-simmering frustration with the slow pace of the Senate has begun to boil over, with a broad swath of Democratic representatives accusing their Senate colleagues of failing both their party and their country.
The cross-chamber assessment is brutal:
There is a growing sense that were lifting more than our share, says California Rep. Xavier Becerra, a member of the Democrats leadership team in the House. Members are hoping the Senate will kick into gear because the public expects a lot more to get done.
Sometimes I get the feeling that some of those guys [in the Senate] just like to see their names in the paper and see their faces on TV, says Massachusetts Rep. Jim McGovern.
I talk a lot about the psychology of consensus, says House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.). Too often, it appears, that the psychology in the Senate is the psychology of one.
When it comes to a jobs bill, the Senate seems more interested in dithering, says first-year Rep. Tom Perriello, a Virginia Democrat whohas taken heat back home for tough votes on climate change and health care two issues that remain bottled up in slow-moving Senate deliberations.
If you just take a look at the number of bills weve sent to the Senate and what theyve done, I dont know what theyre doing with their time honestly, says Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Cal.).
I think the majority leader sometimes has to have the leadership to resolve these things, says Pennsylvania Rep. Joe Sestak, a Democrat challenging Sen. Arlen Specter, in a direct attack on Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.). I understand its politically challenging, but we have the votes and we should be doing much better than we are. I think this place needs a change, quite frankly.
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RUSH: Pelosi has just told The Hill newspaper that she next year is not going to go first on these controversial votes, she's not having her House members vote until the Senate acts. She's not putting up with this anymore. The House at large is uneasy because they went first on this, and they passed a very Marxist, socialist bill. It has the public option in it. It has all kinds of stuff, the destruction of private insurance, the requirement by law that you buy insurance, the fact that you get fined if you don't, all of this stuff and more, all the tax increases. The House led first, they stuck their neck out. They got it. Now the House is upset because the Senate, in their view, is getting cowardly, the Senate's taken out the guts in order to get Lieberman's vote. And they're going to take out some more guts to get Ben Nelson's vote.
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Maybe they should do another BUY a Vote scheme? heck there's been a Second Louisiana Purchase with Mary Landrieu...
How about Another Alamo? Pelosi is PISSED that certain Democrats and others are having to be promised the MOON for their vote.
*IF* This is so important, and a MUST DO? WHY are Senators having to be BRIBED for the Legislation to be changed?
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ON a related Note? Remember Howard (Arrrrrrgh) Dean? Seems he is singing the Republican TUNE... (SAY IT ISN'T SO)?
Dr. Howard Dean Makes Our Case for Blowing Up the Health Care Bill <LINK
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DEAN: This is essentially the collapse of health care reform in the United States Senate, and honestly the best thing to do right now is kill the Senate bill and go back to the House and start the reconciliation process. You only need 51 votes and it would be a much simpler bill.
Dean continued:
"You can't vote for a bill like this in good conscience. It isn't health care reform. It's not even insurance reform. If it were me, I'd kill the bill entirely and have the House start reconciliation, which is what they should have done in the first place. To be held up by four senators, a minority of 40 who were totally uncooperative, which is the Republicans, and then four Senators that are beholden to the insurance industry I think is wrong. But that's what's happened..."
"Don't run our children into debt and come back and do this two years later. I disagree with the administration when they say a president won't take this on for another 20 years. We're in crisis here. This bill I think is more likely to make the crisis worse than it is better because it's so expensive. So we could come back with a new Congress, which unfortunately, as a result of all this, will have fewer Democrats, but it will still have Democratic majorities. We could come back with a new Congress and we could pass a bill, which we had on the Senate floor last week, that would insure people faster, even though it's delayed by a year-and-a-half, than the bill that's going to be passed in the Senate."
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Remember folks? THIS is the Former head of the DNC...
We are told that Conservatives, and the Republicans are in "disarray"?
With this issue? I think we see who really is in disarray. Pelosi (whom when I last checked was still PISSED), Reid, whom cannot control certain Senators as he thought...and the Former Head of the DNC (Dean), whom is singing a really different tune after about five years of his failed bid for POTUS...
At least Dean is honest...Gotta give him kudos for that...He's essentially telling folks to slow down, and take this on Issue by issue...instead of the "Our WAY or the Highway" attempt to spend the future of our children, and those YET to be born...And something that people will be paying upon for a few years before it ever takes effect in the first place...
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As far as I am concerned? The entire process needs to be scrapped, and REAL reform needs to take place, and it begins with TORT. Everything else will fall into place.
Seems to me? This is all of PARTY, and not what's truly workable within the system, without CHANGING the entire System to the detriment of Generations to come. WE owe them at least that much, do we not?
~T
House Democrats long-simmering frustration with the slow pace of the Senate has begun to boil over, with a broad swath of Democratic representatives accusing their Senate colleagues of failing both their party and their country.
The cross-chamber assessment is brutal:
There is a growing sense that were lifting more than our share, says California Rep. Xavier Becerra, a member of the Democrats leadership team in the House. Members are hoping the Senate will kick into gear because the public expects a lot more to get done.
Sometimes I get the feeling that some of those guys [in the Senate] just like to see their names in the paper and see their faces on TV, says Massachusetts Rep. Jim McGovern.
I talk a lot about the psychology of consensus, says House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.). Too often, it appears, that the psychology in the Senate is the psychology of one.
When it comes to a jobs bill, the Senate seems more interested in dithering, says first-year Rep. Tom Perriello, a Virginia Democrat whohas taken heat back home for tough votes on climate change and health care two issues that remain bottled up in slow-moving Senate deliberations.
If you just take a look at the number of bills weve sent to the Senate and what theyve done, I dont know what theyre doing with their time honestly, says Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Cal.).
I think the majority leader sometimes has to have the leadership to resolve these things, says Pennsylvania Rep. Joe Sestak, a Democrat challenging Sen. Arlen Specter, in a direct attack on Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.). I understand its politically challenging, but we have the votes and we should be doing much better than we are. I think this place needs a change, quite frankly.
_____________________
RUSH: Pelosi has just told The Hill newspaper that she next year is not going to go first on these controversial votes, she's not having her House members vote until the Senate acts. She's not putting up with this anymore. The House at large is uneasy because they went first on this, and they passed a very Marxist, socialist bill. It has the public option in it. It has all kinds of stuff, the destruction of private insurance, the requirement by law that you buy insurance, the fact that you get fined if you don't, all of this stuff and more, all the tax increases. The House led first, they stuck their neck out. They got it. Now the House is upset because the Senate, in their view, is getting cowardly, the Senate's taken out the guts in order to get Lieberman's vote. And they're going to take out some more guts to get Ben Nelson's vote.
SOURCE
_______________________
Maybe they should do another BUY a Vote scheme? heck there's been a Second Louisiana Purchase with Mary Landrieu...
How about Another Alamo? Pelosi is PISSED that certain Democrats and others are having to be promised the MOON for their vote.
*IF* This is so important, and a MUST DO? WHY are Senators having to be BRIBED for the Legislation to be changed?
_______________________
ON a related Note? Remember Howard (Arrrrrrgh) Dean? Seems he is singing the Republican TUNE... (SAY IT ISN'T SO)?
Dr. Howard Dean Makes Our Case for Blowing Up the Health Care Bill <LINK
____________________
DEAN: This is essentially the collapse of health care reform in the United States Senate, and honestly the best thing to do right now is kill the Senate bill and go back to the House and start the reconciliation process. You only need 51 votes and it would be a much simpler bill.
Dean continued:
"You can't vote for a bill like this in good conscience. It isn't health care reform. It's not even insurance reform. If it were me, I'd kill the bill entirely and have the House start reconciliation, which is what they should have done in the first place. To be held up by four senators, a minority of 40 who were totally uncooperative, which is the Republicans, and then four Senators that are beholden to the insurance industry I think is wrong. But that's what's happened..."
"Don't run our children into debt and come back and do this two years later. I disagree with the administration when they say a president won't take this on for another 20 years. We're in crisis here. This bill I think is more likely to make the crisis worse than it is better because it's so expensive. So we could come back with a new Congress, which unfortunately, as a result of all this, will have fewer Democrats, but it will still have Democratic majorities. We could come back with a new Congress and we could pass a bill, which we had on the Senate floor last week, that would insure people faster, even though it's delayed by a year-and-a-half, than the bill that's going to be passed in the Senate."
__________________________
Remember folks? THIS is the Former head of the DNC...
We are told that Conservatives, and the Republicans are in "disarray"?
With this issue? I think we see who really is in disarray. Pelosi (whom when I last checked was still PISSED), Reid, whom cannot control certain Senators as he thought...and the Former Head of the DNC (Dean), whom is singing a really different tune after about five years of his failed bid for POTUS...
At least Dean is honest...Gotta give him kudos for that...He's essentially telling folks to slow down, and take this on Issue by issue...instead of the "Our WAY or the Highway" attempt to spend the future of our children, and those YET to be born...And something that people will be paying upon for a few years before it ever takes effect in the first place...
__________________
As far as I am concerned? The entire process needs to be scrapped, and REAL reform needs to take place, and it begins with TORT. Everything else will fall into place.
Seems to me? This is all of PARTY, and not what's truly workable within the system, without CHANGING the entire System to the detriment of Generations to come. WE owe them at least that much, do we not?
~T
