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But we all know better.Speaker Pelosi is trying to protect workers against the Republican slush fund to corporations! Go Nancy!
Speaker Pelosi is trying to protect workers against the Republican slush fund to corporations! Go Nancy!
Bullshit. Where was Nancy in 2009 when Obama tried to bail out corporations???
You're not paying attention.Workers must be protected in the meantime! That's who the Democrats are trying to protect. Trump and McConnell don't really give a shit about them.
Racism is an effective tool against viruses...keep it up......This is just another example of democrats not caring about anything but themselves....
Collins blasts Democrats for blocking coronavirus stimulus plan, says they’re ‘playing with fire’
Senate Democrats late Sunday blocked a GOP-backed $1.3 trillion coronavirus rescue package as five Republicans watched helplessly from self-quarantine, prompting U.S. stock futures to dive and sowing fresh doubt the parties can forge an agreement as the nation descends into economic disaster.www.foxnews.com
The Dems blocked it because they wanted every family to have at least 2 abortions a year...
Damn you Nancy!!!!!Why people keep claiming this is about abortion is baffling to me -- unless they don't mind being outright liars....
There are now 5 GOP senators in SQ --- one of them actually has the virus -- which means the GOP majority is now 48-47 --- now there is a bill that will allow for remote voting, but guess who opposed it?? Moscow Mitch....
So the Democrats don't want this package to be just another bailout for corporations in which they can use that money to do stock-buy backs while still laying off workers that the bill was SUPPOSED to be helping....I am sure the GOP will claim the Democrats created the virus to kill Americans or whatever BS they lying about this week -- and the Dems will cave and the bill will pass with no oversight on the corporations..
"Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren echoed that message, saying that there is "great unhappiness" in the Democratic caucus about the proposal as it currently stands. The Massachusetts senator cited the proposed $500 billion fund for distressed companies, which she complained lacked restrictions."This is not a bipartisan proposal," Warren said. "This is a Republican proposal."
Senate GOP ramps up pressure on Democrats with Monday vote
Hours after Senate Democrats blocked movement on a massive stimulus package Sunday evening, injecting fresh uncertainty over whether and when lawmakers will reach a bipartisan deal to deliver relief amid the devastating coronavirus pandemic, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell ramped up the...www.cnn.com
The Mexicrats won't pass a single Bill without being certain that wetbacks and or the filthiest among us are the clear beneficiaries.
The new America...welcome.
Can you link me to these worker protections he voted againstYou're not paying attention.Workers must be protected in the meantime! That's who the Democrats are trying to protect. Trump and McConnell don't really give a shit about them.
Schumer voted against worker protections.
Try again.
Same way we paid for the 2 trillion dollar tax cut and the 1 trillion dollars the FED pumped in just a couple of weeks agoMarkets are already tanking, and are going to drop like a meteor tomorrow because because this bill was supposed to be passed. Now we have to wait another week for this to pass congress, and then the senate.Unfortunately, we are probably going to have to wait for her to present a separate bill. Let's see what is in her version and debate it if we must.
Firstly, $1.8T isn't nearly enough. Because of asswipes mismanagement, unemployment is going to be 30%+, the American Worker needs much more help than businesses who are insured for this. Good for Pelosi for stepping up for the little guy which is YOU.
How do Libs plan to PAY for an even more massive giveaway? Libs are such deficit hawks, they should have a plan on where to cut
I’m reading plenty of anecdotal cases of asymptomatic carriers being the most likely vectors to other individuals. But it’s tough to tell. Looks like the average is an R3, but if 20% are asymptomatic, that r3 could be very skewed. I also don’t think social distancing is as effective as people think since the virus seems to live on plastic and metal surfaces for up to 5 days, so no direct transmission is the real worry. Either way we’re in uncharted territory. A brand new highly contagious disease, and we’re still in the early days of this. Who knows.Earlier this week; pretty sure it was on NPR Radio, but I have also read it in articles about the virus. They were researchers from the UK. I googled the question and pulled up an article on CNN that said different experts have different views on the subject. Some say it is not a significant factor in the spread; others say it is, especially those people with very mild cases who may not even slow down. This is all new to them, too.That’s not what I’ve been hearing. I’ve heard a week before symptoms show you’re contagious. I’m sure you get more contagious as time passes. But if it was only 24 hours before symptoms show, that seems like it would be so much easier to contain than what we’re seeing. Where have you seen this?2.5 million (20%) won't show symptoms, but become carriers which is problematic.This isn’t comparable to H1N1. That was an influenza strain we hadn’t seen in a few decades. Many old people had immunity to it. This is a brand new disease, that’s worse than influenza. Granted it’s not the plague, but what we don’t want is what’s happening in Italy right now where they are denying treatment to people over 60 because their hospitals are overrun. We’ll take my state as an example. Only 500 in PA have it now. Population is 12 million, so 2.5 million (20%) won't show symptoms, but become carriers which is problematic. 600,000-1.2 M are going to get rocked by this. And basically everyone else is going to have the flu for a week or 2. We know this does spread exponentially, the only trick is making sure it's a factor of 2 instead of 4-5, so hospitals can handle the influx. Basically what I'm saying is we haven't seen the real panic yet with only 500 cases recorded, and our shelves are already empty.The government is shutting business down, while those business and workers are loosing money every minute, especially in their 401ks. Its not like this was their choice. There’s this thing called a pandemic going around. This is what a fed government is for, to provide relief when they do shit like shut everything down because there’s a new virus that’s going to be overrunning our hospitals if we don’t. Also, it’s not socialism if it’s temporary in a time of crisis dipshit, nor is it socialism in the first place...I mean I shouldn’t have to explain this, but socialism is government taking over the means production. That’s not what’s happening, they’re giving money to cities and states that are about to get their asses handed to them through unemployment. We don’t call it socialism when we go to war, or draft a new anti-terrorism security bill, because it isn’t. It’s the federal government doing what it’s supposed too. Jesus fuck, Bernie Bro’s are the stupidest people on the planet, they love socialism but don’t even know what it is. Just over-privileged white kids acting like over-privileged whities. The left 12 years ago used to be somewhat intellectual fueled by empathy...now it’s just following bizarre trends that don’t even make any sense. It’s like they all see the same meme and the same time and hop on the bandwagon all at the same time. No thinking involved, I’ve never seen anything like itSocialism! Save us!
The democrat party members of the press are pushing panic and hysteria....the democrat party members in congress are blocking aid in order to increase the panic and the economic collapse......the democrat party governors are shutting down their states to wreck the economy........
Articles at American Thinker point out that Dr. Fauci, or the new James Comey.......did not suggest closing schools, restaruants or the economy when he was in charge during the H1N1 flu outbreak....instead, he said the opposite....
What did Dr. Fauci have to say in 2009 about the deadly H1N1 pandemic?
Update. See also: Video shows Dr Fauci understood the danger of children returning to school in H1N1 pandemic but downplayed the risk It seems some viral infection pandemics are more equal than others. At least when it comes to burning a vibrant T...www.americanthinker.com
It seems some viral infection pandemics are more equal than others. At least when it comes to burning a vibrant Trump economy to the ground.
In September 2009, after millions had become infected with the H1N1 influenza and thousands had died, some of whom were young people and children, a relaxed and unalarmed Dr. Anthony Fauci told an interviewer that people just need "to use good judgment."
"Parents should not send their kids to school if they're sick, if you're sick don't go to work ... avoid places where there are people who are sick and coughing, now that's a difficult thing to do,” he said. "...You can't isolate yourself from the rest of the world for the whole flu season." That’s quite a change from the esteemed expert’s views on the current virus from China sweeping the world.
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Additionally, nowhere in the 2009 interview does Dr. Fauci specifically mention restaurants and bars as hot spots for the transmission of the H1N1 virus as he does in his recent interview with Yahoo News: “When I see crowded bars and crowded restaurants, it is a little bit unnerving,” Fauci said. "It’s clear that those are the situations that put people very much at risk." Talk about wielding power. Take a look around the country. Local and state officials have heeded Fauci’s “unnerving” concern and ordered restaurants to close their dining areas, or adhere to a 10-person limit. In cities and small towns everywhere, the restaurant industry, which includes owners, suppliers, chefs, line cooks, waitstaff, and bartenders, has been decimated.
Restaurants and bar owners, along with their employees, are the hardest hit economically by the virus. In my city of Richmond, Virginia, 75% to 80% of restaurant staff have been laid off. One hundred restaurants have closed and those not following Governor Ralph ‘Blackface' Northam's 10-person limit have been advised they could lose their business licenses and possibly risk police action if they do not comply. Meanwhile, Dr. Fauci lamented to Yahoo! News that he is unable to get his usual seven-mile daily run in due to his 19-hour days helping the American people, but he's hopeful "sometime soon we’ll get back to some normality where I can exercise the way I like to exercise."
Lastly, nowhere in the 2009 interview does Fauci use inflammatory, fear-inducing rhetoric, despite the number of H1N1-infected individuals, increased hospitalizations and deaths occurring at that time. Eleven years later, on March 11, 2020, Fauci is gung ho about COVID-19, warning lawmakers at a hearing on Capitol Hill: "Bottom line, it's going to get worse." Since then, the renowned AIDS epidemiologist has been seen daily at White House press conferences and on cable news shows reiterating this message to the public.
For all of Dr. Fauci’s daily appearances and scientific evaluations of the data, questions still abound. For example: Why did Dr. Fauci not sound the alarm in 2009 as urgently as he has done in 2020? Why did he not insist we 'force' hospitals to cancel elective tests and surgeries to save room for future infected patients during the H1N1 outbreak? Why did he pointedly target restaurants and bars in his concern for the spread of the coronavirus but not H1N1? As a specialist in infectious diseases, and as a self-described "man of science," why support the closing of schools, businesses, and home quarantine for one virus and not the other?
Now, what we have going against us vs Italy, or virtually anywhere else in the world, is we have a lot more risk factors. The top 3 risk factors for people are obesity, high blood pressure, and type 2 diabetes. We take home the gold in all 3 of those events. The states that are shutting down are currently getting rocked by this, but that’s relative since we’ve barely scratched the surface on infections. This needs to be taken seriously, but we can’t have panic either.
According to researchers, people are only contagious for the 24 hours before getting sick, when the viral load has reached Go. So I wonder about this "silent carriers" number. Am I missing something?
So it’s Ok for Obama to give trillions in stimulus for bail-outs of companies practicing lunatic business practicing fucking over a lot of people because they’re too big to fail...But when there’s a pandemic and mandatory shutdowns of businesses, many of which are going to be the small ones that don’t have the resources to pivot or survive in the shutdown, suddenly we should all clap for that not going through. Makes total sense.Markets are already tanking, and are going to drop like a meteor tomorrow because because this bill was supposed to be passed. Now we have to wait another week for this to pass congress, and then the senate.Unfortunately, we are probably going to have to wait for her to present a separate bill. Let's see what is in her version and debate it if we must.
Firstly, $1.8T isn't nearly enough. Because of asswipes mismanagement, unemployment is going to be 30%+, the American Worker needs much more help than businesses who are insured for this. Good for Pelosi for stepping up for the little guy which is YOU.
And no shit 1.8 trillion isn’t going to be enough. But it’s a start. We don’t know whose gonna need how much and when. This would’ve put money in the pockets of Americans immediately rather than waiting for the month it’s going to take for them to go through the unemployment application process. That’s if all goes smoothly at the unemployment offices that are going to be seeing over a 150% increase in traffic.
Shame on Pelosi and the house dems...this bill has money for supplies in it and she wants to play whack a mole with it....dems suck...how can any of you dems here go along with this?....
Right...trump caused a global economic collapse...used his narcissism to will a brand new disease to jump from bats to humans...and then used inception to go into the dreams of the Chinese and leaders of the EU and plant the idea that they should wait a month too late to ban travel because it would be seen as racist. Good analysisI think it’s unanimous that the Dims are betting on a total collapse to further their political agenda, however, it’s a two sided sword which will come back and cut deep. One can only hope voters recognize this when they cast their vote.
Funny how when it’s time to bailout Autos, banks, big business, it’s the American thing to do when Dim sits at the desk.
The collapse is already here. Putins boy asswipe made it happen. I warned you and yours about him, but you wouldn't listen. CORPORATE RACKETEERS MAKE VERY BAD PRESIDENTS.....
But we all know better.Speaker Pelosi is trying to protect workers against the Republican slush fund to corporations! Go Nancy!
In reality, more American deaths and more unemployment are bad for America, and therefore good for Democrats.
Petlosi and Schmucker are purposely working to thwart Trump's efforts to contain the outbreak and protect the economy. Its 100% politics.
He did the only responsible thing to do in that situation which was ban travel fromChina. It’s called a quarantine, and they stop pandemics. Which is why the EU is getting hammered by this, and why it’s just starting over here. That alone bought us at least a month. And it’s only starting over here because the EU lost containment. He did the most valuable thing you could do, that the jackasses in the EU didn’t because some idiots out there started equating quarantines with racism. They eventually had to ban travel anyway but it came way too late, kind of like putting on a condom after the wads been shot. And in that month it seems like we discovered successful treatments that will hopefully lower the death rate here. Honestly I can’t wait to read all the case studies that come out of this. They won’t be friendly to the EU and especially not China. Letting the disease spread all over airports was definitely not a good idea.Right...trump caused a global economic collapse...used his narcissism to will a brand new disease to jump from bats to humans...and then used inception to go into the dreams of the Chinese and leaders of the EU and plant the idea that they should wait a month too late to ban travel because it would be seen as racist. Good analysisI think it’s unanimous that the Dims are betting on a total collapse to further their political agenda, however, it’s a two sided sword which will come back and cut deep. One can only hope voters recognize this when they cast their vote.
Funny how when it’s time to bailout Autos, banks, big business, it’s the American thing to do when Dim sits at the desk.
The collapse is already here. Putins boy asswipe made it happen. I warned you and yours about him, but you wouldn't listen. CORPORATE RACKETEERS MAKE VERY BAD PRESIDENTS.....
Asswipe didn't address the problem early enough. He was more concerned about his reelection.
This is the kind of crooked shit the Democrats are trying to block.
The poor pitiful propaganda parrot can't think, only squawk.You're not paying attention.Workers must be protected in the meantime! That's who the Democrats are trying to protect. Trump and McConnell don't really give a shit about them.
Schumer voted against worker protections.
Try again.
Racism is an effective tool against viruses...keep it up......This is just another example of democrats not caring about anything but themselves....
Collins blasts Democrats for blocking coronavirus stimulus plan, says they’re ‘playing with fire’
Senate Democrats late Sunday blocked a GOP-backed $1.3 trillion coronavirus rescue package as five Republicans watched helplessly from self-quarantine, prompting U.S. stock futures to dive and sowing fresh doubt the parties can forge an agreement as the nation descends into economic disaster.The Dems blocked it because they wanted every family to have at least 2 abortions a year...
Damn you Nancy!!!!!Why people keep claiming this is about abortion is baffling to me -- unless they don't mind being outright liars....
There are now 5 GOP senators in SQ --- one of them actually has the virus -- which means the GOP majority is now 48-47 --- now there is a bill that will allow for remote voting, but guess who opposed it?? Moscow Mitch....
So the Democrats don't want this package to be just another bailout for corporations in which they can use that money to do stock-buy backs while still laying off workers that the bill was SUPPOSED to be helping....I am sure the GOP will claim the Democrats created the virus to kill Americans or whatever BS they lying about this week -- and the Dems will cave and the bill will pass with no oversight on the corporations..
"Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren echoed that message, saying that there is "great unhappiness" in the Democratic caucus about the proposal as it currently stands. The Massachusetts senator cited the proposed $500 billion fund for distressed companies, which she complained lacked restrictions."This is not a bipartisan proposal," Warren said. "This is a Republican proposal."
Senate GOP ramps up pressure on Democrats with Monday vote
Hours after Senate Democrats blocked movement on a massive stimulus package Sunday evening, injecting fresh uncertainty over whether and when lawmakers will reach a bipartisan deal to deliver relief amid the devastating coronavirus pandemic, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell ramped up the...
The Mexicrats won't pass a single Bill without being certain that wetbacks and or the filthiest among us are the clear beneficiaries.
The new America...welcome.
And don't just limit your hatred to wetbacks, go all out -- what about the blacks and chinks??
We can't stop the virus without your racism
I'm no fan of either of them, but I don't think that's why they are doing it. Being obstructionist will hurt them BADLY. They are looking to see the money divvied out differently, that's all. Did no one ever tell you that the Democrats and the Republicans have different priorities?But we all know better.Speaker Pelosi is trying to protect workers against the Republican slush fund to corporations! Go Nancy!
In reality, more American deaths and more unemployment are bad for America, and therefore good for Democrats.
Petlosi and Schmucker are purposely working to thwart Trump's efforts to contain the outbreak and protect the economy. Its 100% politics.
I promise I'm not trying to give you a hard time, just encouraging you not to use inflated numbers you may have read somewhere. This is bad enough, but it's not five days:I’m reading plenty of anecdotal cases of asymptomatic carriers being the most likely vectors to other individuals. But it’s tough to tell. Looks like the average is an R3, but if 20% are asymptomatic, that r3 could be very skewed. I also don’t think social distancing is as effective as people think since the virus seems to live on plastic and metal surfaces for up to 5 days, so no direct transmission is the real worry. Either way we’re in uncharted territory. A brand new highly contagious disease, and we’re still in the early days of this. Who knows.Earlier this week; pretty sure it was on NPR Radio, but I have also read it in articles about the virus. They were researchers from the UK. I googled the question and pulled up an article on CNN that said different experts have different views on the subject. Some say it is not a significant factor in the spread; others say it is, especially those people with very mild cases who may not even slow down. This is all new to them, too.That’s not what I’ve been hearing. I’ve heard a week before symptoms show you’re contagious. I’m sure you get more contagious as time passes. But if it was only 24 hours before symptoms show, that seems like it would be so much easier to contain than what we’re seeing. Where have you seen this?2.5 million (20%) won't show symptoms, but become carriers which is problematic.This isn’t comparable to H1N1. That was an influenza strain we hadn’t seen in a few decades. Many old people had immunity to it. This is a brand new disease, that’s worse than influenza. Granted it’s not the plague, but what we don’t want is what’s happening in Italy right now where they are denying treatment to people over 60 because their hospitals are overrun. We’ll take my state as an example. Only 500 in PA have it now. Population is 12 million, so 2.5 million (20%) won't show symptoms, but become carriers which is problematic. 600,000-1.2 M are going to get rocked by this. And basically everyone else is going to have the flu for a week or 2. We know this does spread exponentially, the only trick is making sure it's a factor of 2 instead of 4-5, so hospitals can handle the influx. Basically what I'm saying is we haven't seen the real panic yet with only 500 cases recorded, and our shelves are already empty.The government is shutting business down, while those business and workers are loosing money every minute, especially in their 401ks. Its not like this was their choice. There’s this thing called a pandemic going around. This is what a fed government is for, to provide relief when they do shit like shut everything down because there’s a new virus that’s going to be overrunning our hospitals if we don’t. Also, it’s not socialism if it’s temporary in a time of crisis dipshit, nor is it socialism in the first place...I mean I shouldn’t have to explain this, but socialism is government taking over the means production. That’s not what’s happening, they’re giving money to cities and states that are about to get their asses handed to them through unemployment. We don’t call it socialism when we go to war, or draft a new anti-terrorism security bill, because it isn’t. It’s the federal government doing what it’s supposed too. Jesus fuck, Bernie Bro’s are the stupidest people on the planet, they love socialism but don’t even know what it is. Just over-privileged white kids acting like over-privileged whities. The left 12 years ago used to be somewhat intellectual fueled by empathy...now it’s just following bizarre trends that don’t even make any sense. It’s like they all see the same meme and the same time and hop on the bandwagon all at the same time. No thinking involved, I’ve never seen anything like itSocialism! Save us!
The democrat party members of the press are pushing panic and hysteria....the democrat party members in congress are blocking aid in order to increase the panic and the economic collapse......the democrat party governors are shutting down their states to wreck the economy........
Articles at American Thinker point out that Dr. Fauci, or the new James Comey.......did not suggest closing schools, restaruants or the economy when he was in charge during the H1N1 flu outbreak....instead, he said the opposite....
What did Dr. Fauci have to say in 2009 about the deadly H1N1 pandemic?
Update. See also: Video shows Dr Fauci understood the danger of children returning to school in H1N1 pandemic but downplayed the risk It seems some viral infection pandemics are more equal than others. At least when it comes to burning a vibrant T...
It seems some viral infection pandemics are more equal than others. At least when it comes to burning a vibrant Trump economy to the ground.
In September 2009, after millions had become infected with the H1N1 influenza and thousands had died, some of whom were young people and children, a relaxed and unalarmed Dr. Anthony Fauci told an interviewer that people just need "to use good judgment."
"Parents should not send their kids to school if they're sick, if you're sick don't go to work ... avoid places where there are people who are sick and coughing, now that's a difficult thing to do,” he said. "...You can't isolate yourself from the rest of the world for the whole flu season." That’s quite a change from the esteemed expert’s views on the current virus from China sweeping the world.
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Additionally, nowhere in the 2009 interview does Dr. Fauci specifically mention restaurants and bars as hot spots for the transmission of the H1N1 virus as he does in his recent interview with Yahoo News: “When I see crowded bars and crowded restaurants, it is a little bit unnerving,” Fauci said. "It’s clear that those are the situations that put people very much at risk." Talk about wielding power. Take a look around the country. Local and state officials have heeded Fauci’s “unnerving” concern and ordered restaurants to close their dining areas, or adhere to a 10-person limit. In cities and small towns everywhere, the restaurant industry, which includes owners, suppliers, chefs, line cooks, waitstaff, and bartenders, has been decimated.
Restaurants and bar owners, along with their employees, are the hardest hit economically by the virus. In my city of Richmond, Virginia, 75% to 80% of restaurant staff have been laid off. One hundred restaurants have closed and those not following Governor Ralph ‘Blackface' Northam's 10-person limit have been advised they could lose their business licenses and possibly risk police action if they do not comply. Meanwhile, Dr. Fauci lamented to Yahoo! News that he is unable to get his usual seven-mile daily run in due to his 19-hour days helping the American people, but he's hopeful "sometime soon we’ll get back to some normality where I can exercise the way I like to exercise."
Lastly, nowhere in the 2009 interview does Fauci use inflammatory, fear-inducing rhetoric, despite the number of H1N1-infected individuals, increased hospitalizations and deaths occurring at that time. Eleven years later, on March 11, 2020, Fauci is gung ho about COVID-19, warning lawmakers at a hearing on Capitol Hill: "Bottom line, it's going to get worse." Since then, the renowned AIDS epidemiologist has been seen daily at White House press conferences and on cable news shows reiterating this message to the public.
For all of Dr. Fauci’s daily appearances and scientific evaluations of the data, questions still abound. For example: Why did Dr. Fauci not sound the alarm in 2009 as urgently as he has done in 2020? Why did he not insist we 'force' hospitals to cancel elective tests and surgeries to save room for future infected patients during the H1N1 outbreak? Why did he pointedly target restaurants and bars in his concern for the spread of the coronavirus but not H1N1? As a specialist in infectious diseases, and as a self-described "man of science," why support the closing of schools, businesses, and home quarantine for one virus and not the other?
Now, what we have going against us vs Italy, or virtually anywhere else in the world, is we have a lot more risk factors. The top 3 risk factors for people are obesity, high blood pressure, and type 2 diabetes. We take home the gold in all 3 of those events. The states that are shutting down are currently getting rocked by this, but that’s relative since we’ve barely scratched the surface on infections. This needs to be taken seriously, but we can’t have panic either.
According to researchers, people are only contagious for the 24 hours before getting sick, when the viral load has reached Go. So I wonder about this "silent carriers" number. Am I missing something?
I'm no fan of either of them, but I don't think that's why they are doing it. Being obstructionist will hurt them BADLY. They are looking to see the money divvied out differently, that's all. Did no one ever tell you that the Democrats and the Republicans have different priorities?But we all know better.Speaker Pelosi is trying to protect workers against the Republican slush fund to corporations! Go Nancy!
In reality, more American deaths and more unemployment are bad for America, and therefore good for Democrats.
Petlosi and Schmucker are purposely working to thwart Trump's efforts to contain the outbreak and protect the economy. Its 100% politics.
