'Peace Run' Dealt a Blow After PA Insists: No Jews Allowed

[P F Tinmore]

Wrong as you have been shown before the borders that are detailed in those treaties include what is now Iraq, Syria, Jordan and Israel. They were done that way to make it easy for the promises made to the arab muslims to be kept, they did not grant the itinerant arab muslim wandering workers a nation as you imply. There are no treaties that define the international borders of lesser Palestine, what there is are borders of the original NATIONAL HOME OF THE JEWs. Then the revised NATIONAL HOME OF THE JEWS that allocated most of the land to an arab Palestinian state known as trans Jordan. Later on the UN partitioned this land into two parts for the muslims and the Jews. This was accepted by the Jews and declined by the muslims and led to the Arab Israeli war of 1948. The ICJ later stated that res 181 was valid and legal stopping the arab LIES once and for all.

No it is a valid point as every other nation created at the same time was done so via signed treaties.

Wrong as you have been shown before the borders that are detailed in those treaties include what is now Iraq, Syria, Jordan and Israel.

OK,you made the claim now prove it.

I await your response.

Here you go the graphical illustration of the Sykes-Picot agreement that was the basis for the treaty of Lausannes borders of Palestine. You can discount the green as that was Russian mandated land

Do you want to wade through every single treaty agreed at that time so you can draw your own borders, but be aware that the borders were fluid and changed on an almost daily basis. Start with the one given above that shows the extent of the Palestinian mandates of Britain and France.

Or this

This

True so far but in 1922 Palestine's final international border was defined with Transjordan. These were the borders of Palestine when it was separated from Turkish control in 1924.

 

[Phoenall]

That's right, you don't!

No, they'd rather shoot at them while they fish.

Which you have never proven to be the case as grainy video of boats with no land in sight prove nothing. But the gazan territorial waters are very small due to the larger waters of the Egyptian and Israeli on either side. These converge at a point some 6 miles from the shore line. The gazans know the rules and will flout them to see what happens, and then comp.lain about being shot. Try and be more objective and get out of this Palestinians right, Jews wrong all the time.

Why do yo say so many things that are not true?

Relying on a blog to prove your point is scrapping the bottom of the barrel. And did you happen to read the legend on this map that shows as of Jan 2005 the extent is 3 miles. You really should stop shooting yourself in both feet, very soon you will be unable to walk the number of times you have done it.

 

[Phoenall]

OK,you made the claim now prove it.

I await your response.

Here you go the graphical illustration of the Sykes-Picot agreement that was the basis for the treaty of Lausannes borders of Palestine. You can discount the green as that was Russian mandated land

Do you want to wade through every single treaty agreed at that time so you can draw your own borders, but be aware that the borders were fluid and changed on an almost daily basis. Start with the one given above that shows the extent of the Palestinian mandates of Britain and France.

Or this

This

True so far but in 1922 Palestine's final international border was defined with Transjordan. These were the borders of Palestine when it was separated from Turkish control in 1924.

Wrong again as Transjordan was part of Palestine when the Ottomans gave up the land in 1919, remember the Sykes Picot agreement that set the borders originally for future treaty purposes.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Here you go the graphical illustration of the Sykes-Picot agreement that was the basis for the treaty of Lausannes borders of Palestine. You can discount the green as that was Russian mandated land

Do you want to wade through every single treaty agreed at that time so you can draw your own borders, but be aware that the borders were fluid and changed on an almost daily basis. Start with the one given above that shows the extent of the Palestinian mandates of Britain and France.

Or this

This

True so far but in 1922 Palestine's final international border was defined with Transjordan. These were the borders of Palestine when it was separated from Turkish control in 1924.

Wrong again as Transjordan was part of Palestine when the Ottomans gave up the land in 1919, remember the Sykes Picot agreement that set the borders originally for future treaty purposes.

I am not wrong. In 1922 the LoN approved the separation of Transjordan and Palestine. They were two separate entities.

A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties.

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[toastman]

Yes you are wrong Tinmore. There was no discussion of borders in the treaty of Lausanne.

 

[Phoenall]

True so far but in 1922 Palestine's final international border was defined with Transjordan. These were the borders of Palestine when it was separated from Turkish control in 1924.

Wrong again as Transjordan was part of Palestine when the Ottomans gave up the land in 1919, remember the Sykes Picot agreement that set the borders originally for future treaty purposes.

I am not wrong. In 1922 the LoN approved the separation of Transjordan and Palestine. They were two separate entities.

A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties.

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

YOU ARE WRONG as the Sykes Picot agreement set the original borders for future treaties that partitioned Palestine into Transjordan, Syria, Israel and gaza&west bank. These moves did not alter the international borders set in place to facilitate the creation of Syria and Transjordan, once these were created the international borders of Palestine ceased to exist and it became the proposed NATIONAL NOME OF THE JEWS. It was only because of a lack of funding and Britains inherent ANTI SEMITISM that Hussayni was able to forment civil war in Palestine through a series of BLOOD LIBELS or the original plan would have been put into place. It is all there in the non ISLAMONAZI history books

 

[Phoenall]

Yes you are wrong Tinmore. There was no discussion of borders in the treaty of Lausanne.

If you read his link it has this to say...........The State of Palestine (Arabic: دولة فلسطين* Dawlat Filasṭīn), is a sovereign state in the Levant that is recognized by the United Nations Its independence was declared on 15 November 1988 by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and its government-in-exile in Algiers..............Now he needs to ask himself which of his beliefs is stronger, that Palestine was created back in 1920 or as his link shows 1988. He cant cherry pick which parts of his links work for his POV and disregard everything else.

 

[montelatici]

Montevideo Convention

Article 1.

"The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: (a) a permanent population; (b) a defined territory; (c) government; and (d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states."

Mandatory Palestine had those qualifications.

 

[Phoenall]

True so far but in 1922 Palestine's final international border was defined with Transjordan. These were the borders of Palestine when it was separated from Turkish control in 1924.

Wrong again as Transjordan was part of Palestine when the Ottomans gave up the land in 1919, remember the Sykes Picot agreement that set the borders originally for future treaty purposes.

I am not wrong. In 1922 the LoN approved the separation of Transjordan and Palestine. They were two separate entities.

A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties.

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cant see any mention of that in the link you have given, so I must surmise that it is aq false quote by you once again.

But I did see this.............

The State of Palestine (Arabic: دولة فلسطين* Dawlat Filasṭīn), is a sovereign state in the Levant that is recognized by the United Nations.[13][14] Its independence was declared on 15 November 1988 by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and its government-in-exile in Algiers

And this

The Mandate was administered as two territories: Palestine and Transjordan,[43] with the Jordan River being the boundary between them. The boundaries under the Mandate also did not follow those sought by the Jewish community, which sought the inclusion of the east bank of the Jordan into the Palestinian territory, to which the objective of the Mandate for a homeland for the Jewish people would apply. It was made clear from before the commencement of the Mandate, and a clause to that effect was inserted in the Mandate, that the objective set out in the Mandate would not apply to Transjordan.[citation needed] Transjordan was destined for early independence. The objective of the Mandate was to apply only to territory west of the Jordan, which was commonly referred to as Palestine by the British administration, and as Eretz Israel by the Jewish community

 

[Phoenall]

Montevideo Convention

Article 1.

"The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: (a) a permanent population; (b) a defined territory; (c) government; and (d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states."

Mandatory Palestine had those qualifications.

It had no Government other than that of the British military one, and was not able to enter into relations with other states.


Try again

 

[Phoenall]

Montevideo Convention

Article 1.

"The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: (a) a permanent population; (b) a defined territory; (c) government; and (d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states."

Mandatory Palestine had those qualifications.

And it only applies to the Americas as they are the only states that signed it.
The Palestinians had the chance of statehood and blew it.


But this must also apply and if so Palestine have breached the whole convention

Article 10[edit]

The primary interest of states is the conservation of peace. Differences of any nature which arise between them should be settled by recognized pacific methods.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Which you have never proven to be the case as grainy video of boats with no land in sight prove nothing. But the gazan territorial waters are very small due to the larger waters of the Egyptian and Israeli on either side. These converge at a point some 6 miles from the shore line. The gazans know the rules and will flout them to see what happens, and then comp.lain about being shot. Try and be more objective and get out of this Palestinians right, Jews wrong all the time.

Why do yo say so many things that are not true?

Relying on a blog to prove your point is scrapping the bottom of the barrel. And did you happen to read the legend on this map that shows as of Jan 2005 the extent is 3 miles. You really should stop shooting yourself in both feet, very soon you will be unable to walk the number of times you have done it.

That is the Gaza-Jericho Agreement a part of Oslo.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Wrong again as Transjordan was part of Palestine when the Ottomans gave up the land in 1919, remember the Sykes Picot agreement that set the borders originally for future treaty purposes.

I am not wrong. In 1922 the LoN approved the separation of Transjordan and Palestine. They were two separate entities.

A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties.

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

YOU ARE WRONG as the Sykes Picot agreement set the original borders for future treaties that partitioned Palestine into Transjordan, Syria, Israel and gaza&west bank. These moves did not alter the international borders set in place to facilitate the creation of Syria and Transjordan, once these were created the international borders of Palestine ceased to exist and it became the proposed NATIONAL NOME OF THE JEWS. It was only because of a lack of funding and Britains inherent ANTI SEMITISM that Hussayni was able to forment civil war in Palestine through a series of BLOOD LIBELS or the original plan would have been put into place. It is all there in the non ISLAMONAZI history books

You must have missed this part.

in 1922 Palestine's final international border was defined with Transjordan. These were the borders of Palestine when it was separated from Turkish control in 1924.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Yes you are wrong Tinmore. There was no discussion of borders in the treaty of Lausanne.

I never said there was.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Wrong again as Transjordan was part of Palestine when the Ottomans gave up the land in 1919, remember the Sykes Picot agreement that set the borders originally for future treaty purposes.

I am not wrong. In 1922 the LoN approved the separation of Transjordan and Palestine. They were two separate entities.

A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties.

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cant see any mention of that in the link you have given, so I must surmise that it is aq false quote by you once again.

But I did see this.............

The State of Palestine (Arabic: دولة فلسطين* Dawlat Filasṭīn), is a sovereign state in the Levant that is recognized by the United Nations.[13][14] Its independence was declared on 15 November 1988 by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and its government-in-exile in Algiers

And this

The Mandate was administered as two territories: Palestine and Transjordan,[43] with the Jordan River being the boundary between them. The boundaries under the Mandate also did not follow those sought by the Jewish community, which sought the inclusion of the east bank of the Jordan into the Palestinian territory, to which the objective of the Mandate for a homeland for the Jewish people would apply. It was made clear from before the commencement of the Mandate, and a clause to that effect was inserted in the Mandate, that the objective set out in the Mandate would not apply to Transjordan.[citation needed] Transjordan was destined for early independence. The objective of the Mandate was to apply only to territory west of the Jordan, which was commonly referred to as Palestine by the British administration, and as Eretz Israel by the Jewish community

Cant see any mention of that in the link you have given,

It is there. You must have missed it. You miss a lot.

 

[toastman]

Yes you are wrong Tinmore. There was no discussion of borders in the treaty of Lausanne.

I never said there was.

You showed a map of Palestine and said that the are the borders after Palestine was released from Turkish control.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Yes you are wrong Tinmore. There was no discussion of borders in the treaty of Lausanne.

I never said there was.

You showed a map of Palestine and said that the are the borders after Palestine was released from Turkish control.

OK, but where did I say that the Treaty of Lausanne had anything to do with defining those borders?

 

[Phoenall]

Why do yo say so many things that are not true?

Relying on a blog to prove your point is scrapping the bottom of the barrel. And did you happen to read the legend on this map that shows as of Jan 2005 the extent is 3 miles. You really should stop shooting yourself in both feet, very soon you will be unable to walk the number of times you have done it.

That is the Gaza-Jericho Agreement a part of Oslo.

You the part that Israel implemented when they withdrew all Jewish presence from Gaza and instead of implementing their part the palestinians increased the violence, terrorism and belligerence.

It still shows that the Israelis put in place a 3 mile limit because of the increasing terrorism, and terrorists will be shot on sight.

 

[Phoenall]

I am not wrong. In 1922 the LoN approved the separation of Transjordan and Palestine. They were two separate entities.

YOU ARE WRONG as the Sykes Picot agreement set the original borders for future treaties that partitioned Palestine into Transjordan, Syria, Israel and gaza&west bank. These moves did not alter the international borders set in place to facilitate the creation of Syria and Transjordan, once these were created the international borders of Palestine ceased to exist and it became the proposed NATIONAL NOME OF THE JEWS. It was only because of a lack of funding and Britains inherent ANTI SEMITISM that Hussayni was able to forment civil war in Palestine through a series of BLOOD LIBELS or the original plan would have been put into place. It is all there in the non ISLAMONAZI history books

You must have missed this part.

in 1922 Palestine's final international border was defined with Transjordan. These were the borders of Palestine when it was separated from Turkish control in 1924.

Care to detail just were it says that, as the reality is the Ottomans lost the land in 1919. Some they lost in 1915 when the British occupied it during WW1. Your grasp of history and treaties is sadly lacking.

 

[Phoenall]

Yes you are wrong Tinmore. There was no discussion of borders in the treaty of Lausanne.

I never said there was.

You did at one time claiming that it laid down the borders of Palestine and gave the arab muslims ( not the Jews or Christians though ) their Palestinian statehood