'Peace Run' Dealt a Blow After PA Insists: No Jews Allowed

[Phoenall]

I am not wrong. In 1922 the LoN approved the separation of Transjordan and Palestine. They were two separate entities.

Cant see any mention of that in the link you have given, so I must surmise that it is aq false quote by you once again.

But I did see this.............

The State of Palestine (Arabic: دولة فلسطين* Dawlat Filasṭīn), is a sovereign state in the Levant that is recognized by the United Nations.[13][14] Its independence was declared on 15 November 1988 by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and its government-in-exile in Algiers

And this

The Mandate was administered as two territories: Palestine and Transjordan,[43] with the Jordan River being the boundary between them. The boundaries under the Mandate also did not follow those sought by the Jewish community, which sought the inclusion of the east bank of the Jordan into the Palestinian territory, to which the objective of the Mandate for a homeland for the Jewish people would apply. It was made clear from before the commencement of the Mandate, and a clause to that effect was inserted in the Mandate, that the objective set out in the Mandate would not apply to Transjordan.[citation needed] Transjordan was destined for early independence. The objective of the Mandate was to apply only to territory west of the Jordan, which was commonly referred to as Palestine by the British administration, and as Eretz Israel by the Jewish community

Cant see any mention of that in the link you have given,

It is there. You must have missed it. You miss a lot.

No I miss nothing as I proof read every post of yours that contains a link, your link said nothing about a division of Palestine and Transjordan setting future borders without the leaderships acceptance.

 

[Phoenall]

I never said there was.

You showed a map of Palestine and said that the are the borders after Palestine was released from Turkish control.

OK, but where did I say that the Treaty of Lausanne had anything to do with defining those borders?

What was the treaty of Lausanne about ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

You showed a map of Palestine and said that the are the borders after Palestine was released from Turkish control.

OK, but where did I say that the Treaty of Lausanne had anything to do with defining those borders?

What was the treaty of Lausanne about ?

Treaty of Lausanne - World War I Document Archive

 

[Phoenall]

OK, but where did I say that the Treaty of Lausanne had anything to do with defining those borders?

What was the treaty of Lausanne about ?

Treaty of Lausanne - World War I Document Archive

And from this we get

ARTICLE I6.

Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighbourly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries

But no mention of Palestine or Palestinian borders or nationality.

But we do get the fact that Turkey handed over title of the lands in the M.E. to the high Contracting Parties, to whit the LoN.

 

[P F Tinmore]

What was the treaty of Lausanne about ?

Treaty of Lausanne - World War I Document Archive

And from this we get

ARTICLE I6.

Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighbourly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries

But no mention of Palestine or Palestinian borders or nationality.

But we do get the fact that Turkey handed over title of the lands in the M.E. to the high Contracting Parties, to whit the LoN.

The LoN never took possession of those territories. They were placed in trust on the behalf of the people until they could achieve independence.

ARTICLE 22.

To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant.

The best method of giving practical effect to this principle is that the tutelage of such peoples should be entrusted to advanced nations who by reason of their resources, their experience or their geographical position can best undertake this responsibility, and who are willing to accept it, and that this tutelage should be exercised by them as Mandatories on behalf of the League.

The character of the mandate must differ according to the stage of the development of the people, the geographical situation of the territory, its economic conditions and other similar circumstances.

Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory.

Avalon Project - The Covenant of the League of Nations

 

[Billo_Really]

If Israel wanted to commit mass suicide they would end the occupation and be wiped out by violent bloodthirsty Palestinian terrorists. But then this is what you want to happen, just as long as you don't have to do it.

A population that's not even allowed to have weapons, is going to wipe out the most militarized country on the planet? You're just a psycho asshole who hasn't got the foggiest idea of what he's talking about. Come back when you grow up!

The occupation stays in place until the Palestinians stop all terrorism, violence and belligerence and agree to negotiate peace and mutual borders. That is stipulated in the Geneva conventions and the UN resolutions

They did stop it back in '08 and the Israeli's still launched commando raids and air strikes, so **** you!

And I've already corrected you on your mis-interpretation of 242. Don't make me have to school you again, junior.

 

[Phoenall]

Treaty of Lausanne - World War I Document Archive

And from this we get

ARTICLE I6.

Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighbourly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries

But no mention of Palestine or Palestinian borders or nationality.

But we do get the fact that Turkey handed over title of the lands in the M.E. to the high Contracting Parties, to whit the LoN.

The LoN never took possession of those territories. They were placed in trust on the behalf of the people until they could achieve independence.

ARTICLE 22.

To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant.

The best method of giving practical effect to this principle is that the tutelage of such peoples should be entrusted to advanced nations who by reason of their resources, their experience or their geographical position can best undertake this responsibility, and who are willing to accept it, and that this tutelage should be exercised by them as Mandatories on behalf of the League.

The character of the mandate must differ according to the stage of the development of the people, the geographical situation of the territory, its economic conditions and other similar circumstances.

Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory.

Avalon Project - The Covenant of the League of Nations

And those communities happened to be Iraq, Syria and Transjordan not arab Palestine which is still unable to show they have developed to a point were they can stand alone.

The LoN did take control of the land as shown by the fact that Transjordan did not become fully functional as a state until 1948, the same with Syria and Iraq.

 

[Phoenall]

If Israel wanted to commit mass suicide they would end the occupation and be wiped out by violent bloodthirsty Palestinian terrorists. But then this is what you want to happen, just as long as you don't have to do it.

A population that's not even allowed to have weapons, is going to wipe out the most militarized country on the planet? You're just a psycho asshole who hasn't got the foggiest idea of what he's talking about. Come back when you grow up!

The occupation stays in place until the Palestinians stop all terrorism, violence and belligerence and agree to negotiate peace and mutual borders. That is stipulated in the Geneva conventions and the UN resolutions

They did stop it back in '08 and the Israeli's still launched commando raids and air strikes, so **** you!

And I've already corrected you on your mis-interpretation of 242. Don't make me have to school you again, junior.

Not allowed is not the same as having illegally is it, as shown by the numbers of Kalashnikovs in Gaza alone. Then we have the rockets from Syria and Iran, the Russian anti tank weapons and the SAM's . To say nothing of the home made qassams and IED's stockpiled in gaza.

Link to an unbiased source that shows the terrorism, violence and belligerence stopped in 2008, and I WILL SHOW THAT IT HAS NEVER STOPPED SINCE 635 C.E.

You don't have the intelligence to show that I mis interpreted res 242 as I use the Authors own description to back up my POV, not some NAZI site that tells LIES to morons like you.

 

[P F Tinmore]

And from this we get

ARTICLE I6.

Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighbourly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries

But no mention of Palestine or Palestinian borders or nationality.

But we do get the fact that Turkey handed over title of the lands in the M.E. to the high Contracting Parties, to whit the LoN.

The LoN never took possession of those territories. They were placed in trust on the behalf of the people until they could achieve independence.

ARTICLE 22.

To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant.

The best method of giving practical effect to this principle is that the tutelage of such peoples should be entrusted to advanced nations who by reason of their resources, their experience or their geographical position can best undertake this responsibility, and who are willing to accept it, and that this tutelage should be exercised by them as Mandatories on behalf of the League.

The character of the mandate must differ according to the stage of the development of the people, the geographical situation of the territory, its economic conditions and other similar circumstances.

Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory.

Avalon Project - The Covenant of the League of Nations

And those communities happened to be Iraq, Syria and Transjordan not arab Palestine which is still unable to show they have developed to a point were they can stand alone.

The LoN did take control of the land as shown by the fact that Transjordan did not become fully functional as a state until 1948, the same with Syria and Iraq.

You need to read up on the mandate for Palestine. During the mandate period, the Zionists had almost free reign to create a state within a state. Meanwhile any Palestinian organization attempting to create their own independence was banned. Their leaders were imprisoned, exiled, and sometimes killed.

Then in 1949 the UN divided Palestine into three areas of occupation.

Any action of the Palestinians toward independence has been trampled be illegal external interference.

 

[toastman]

The LoN never took possession of those territories. They were placed in trust on the behalf of the people until they could achieve independence.

And those communities happened to be Iraq, Syria and Transjordan not arab Palestine which is still unable to show they have developed to a point were they can stand alone.

The LoN did take control of the land as shown by the fact that Transjordan did not become fully functional as a state until 1948, the same with Syria and Iraq.

You need to read up on the mandate for Palestine. During the mandate period, the Zionists had almost free reign to create a state within a state. Meanwhile any Palestinian organization attempting to create their own independence was banned. Their leaders were imprisoned, exiled, and sometimes killed.

Then in 1949 the UN divided Palestine into three areas of occupation.

Any action of the Palestinians toward independence has been trampled be illegal external interference.

'Then in 1949, the UN divided Palestine into three areas of occupation'

Still peddling this lie eh? Care to show us where you read this?

 

[P F Tinmore]

And those communities happened to be Iraq, Syria and Transjordan not arab Palestine which is still unable to show they have developed to a point were they can stand alone.

The LoN did take control of the land as shown by the fact that Transjordan did not become fully functional as a state until 1948, the same with Syria and Iraq.

You need to read up on the mandate for Palestine. During the mandate period, the Zionists had almost free reign to create a state within a state. Meanwhile any Palestinian organization attempting to create their own independence was banned. Their leaders were imprisoned, exiled, and sometimes killed.

Then in 1949 the UN divided Palestine into three areas of occupation.

Any action of the Palestinians toward independence has been trampled be illegal external interference.

'Then in 1949, the UN divided Palestine into three areas of occupation'

Still peddling this lie eh? Care to show us where you read this?

1949 UN armistice agreements.

 

[toastman]

You need to read up on the mandate for Palestine. During the mandate period, the Zionists had almost free reign to create a state within a state. Meanwhile any Palestinian organization attempting to create their own independence was banned. Their leaders were imprisoned, exiled, and sometimes killed.

Then in 1949 the UN divided Palestine into three areas of occupation.

Any action of the Palestinians toward independence has been trampled be illegal external interference.

'Then in 1949, the UN divided Palestine into three areas of occupation'

Still peddling this lie eh? Care to show us where you read this?

1949 UN armistice agreements.

I know you are talking about the Armistice Agreements.

Where do they say anything about Palestine being divided in three areas of occupations?

 

[Phoenall]

The LoN never took possession of those territories. They were placed in trust on the behalf of the people until they could achieve independence.

And those communities happened to be Iraq, Syria and Transjordan not arab Palestine which is still unable to show they have developed to a point were they can stand alone.

The LoN did take control of the land as shown by the fact that Transjordan did not become fully functional as a state until 1948, the same with Syria and Iraq.

You need to read up on the mandate for Palestine. During the mandate period, the Zionists had almost free reign to create a state within a state. Meanwhile any Palestinian organization attempting to create their own independence was banned. Their leaders were imprisoned, exiled, and sometimes killed.

Then in 1949 the UN divided Palestine into three areas of occupation.

Any action of the Palestinians toward independence has been trampled be illegal external interference.

I have read up on it, and read the many reports that show the rampant ANTISEMITISM shown by the British while they had the mandate. The British did not want a Jewish homeland so they made things very hard for the Jews. They turned a blind eye to illegal arab muslim immigration while blocking the Jews from landing in Palestine. So the Zionists were never given a free reign to create a state at all they were blocked at every turn. It was the terrorists that were killing the Jews and British that were imprisoned, exiled and killed.

In 1949 the UN did nothing it was in 1947 when they came up with the partition plan that the arab muslims initially refused. Then in august 1948 just before the dead line the arab muslims tried to implement 181 with them as the full overlords of Palestine and the Jews as their slaves.

The only illegal external interference has come from the arab league who interfered from the start and put the Palestinians in a situation that meant they had to fight or lose face. They had a chance in 1949 of making the west bank part of Jordan but they blew it when they tried to take over and were beaten by the Jordanians


It is yiu that needs to read your history about the M.E, and that is all sources not just the ISLAMONAZI ones

 

[P F Tinmore]

'Then in 1949, the UN divided Palestine into three areas of occupation'

Still peddling this lie eh? Care to show us where you read this?

1949 UN armistice agreements.

I know you are talking about the Armistice Agreements.

Where do they say anything about Palestine being divided in three areas of occupations?

Then it was divided into three what?

 

[toastman]

1949 UN armistice agreements.

I know you are talking about the Armistice Agreements.

Where do they say anything about Palestine being divided in three areas of occupations?

Then it was divided into three what?

You're answering my question with a question??

So, where does it say anything about dividing 'Palestine' into three area of occupation?

 

[Phoenall]

1949 UN armistice agreements.

I know you are talking about the Armistice Agreements.

Where do they say anything about Palestine being divided in three areas of occupations?

Then it was divided into three what?

You really should learn to count, it was divide into 2 by the ISLAMONAZI terrorists when they invaded and tried to wipe out the Jews. They had the chance to make it one nation all they had to do was be peaceful

 

[Kondor3]

The LoN never took possession of those territories. They were placed in trust on the behalf of the people until they could achieve independence.

And those communities happened to be Iraq, Syria and Transjordan not arab Palestine which is still unable to show they have developed to a point were they can stand alone.

The LoN did take control of the land as shown by the fact that Transjordan did not become fully functional as a state until 1948, the same with Syria and Iraq.

You need to read up on the mandate for Palestine. During the mandate period, the Zionists had almost free reign to create a state within a state. Meanwhile any Palestinian organization attempting to create their own independence was banned. Their leaders were imprisoned, exiled, and sometimes killed...

That's what the Palestinians get, for rebelling against the LoN -authorized British Mandate, in the 1936-1939 Arab Revolt.

They phukked that one up and lost that one too, hugely.

Dumbasses and incompetents.

The Brits were no longer willing to trust the Palestinians by that time.

The Palestinians just can't get along very well with anyone, never mind the Jews.

An obnoxious, intransigent low-brow folk.

...Any action of the Palestinians toward independence has been trampled be illegal external interference.

Mad dogs need to be kept in kennels.

Even the Brits knew this.

Given present collaboration with Israel on blockading and containment, it looks like even the Egyptians and Jordanians have come to their sense, and come to realize the truth behind the mad-dog and kennels talk.

 

[P F Tinmore]

And those communities happened to be Iraq, Syria and Transjordan not arab Palestine which is still unable to show they have developed to a point were they can stand alone.

The LoN did take control of the land as shown by the fact that Transjordan did not become fully functional as a state until 1948, the same with Syria and Iraq.

You need to read up on the mandate for Palestine. During the mandate period, the Zionists had almost free reign to create a state within a state. Meanwhile any Palestinian organization attempting to create their own independence was banned. Their leaders were imprisoned, exiled, and sometimes killed...

That's what the Palestinians get, for rebelling against the LoN -authorized British Mandate, in the 1936-1939 Arab Revolt.

They phukked that one up and lost that one too, hugely.

Dumbasses and incompetents.

The Brits were no longer willing to trust the Palestinians by that time.

The Palestinians just can't get along very well with anyone, never mind the Jews.

An obnoxious, intransigent low-brow folk.

...Any action of the Palestinians toward independence has been trampled be illegal external interference.

Mad dogs need to be kept in kennels.

Even the Brits knew this.

Given present collaboration with Israel on blockading and containment, it looks like even the Egyptians and Jordanians have come to their sense, and come to realize the truth behind the mad-dog and kennels talk.

"The Palestine Mandate was invalid on three grounds set out hereinafter.

"1. The first ground of invalidity of the Mandate is that by endorsing the Balfour Declaration and accepting the concept of the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine it violated the sovereignty of the people of Palestine and their natural rights of independence and self-determination. Palestine was the national home of the Palestinians from time immemorial. The establishment of a national home for an alien people in that country was a violation of the legitimate and fundamental rights of the inhabitants. The League of Nations did not possess the power, any more than the British Government did, to dispose of Palestine, or to grant to the Jews any political or territorial rights in that country. In so far as the Mandate purported to recognize any rights for alien Jews in Palestine, it was null and void.

"2. The second ground of invalidity of the Mandate is that it violated, in spirit and in letter, Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, under the authority of which it purported to be made. The Mandate violated Article 22 in three respects:

"(a) The Covenant had envisaged the Mandate as the best method of achieving its basic objective of ensuring the well-being and development of the peoples inhabiting the Mandated Territories.

"Was the Palestine Mandate conceived for the well-being and development of the inhabitants of Palestine? The answer is found in the provisions of the Mandate itself. The Mandate sought the establishment in Palestine of a national home for another people, contrary to the rights and wishes of the Palestinians ... It required the Mandatory to place the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as would secure the establishment of a Jewish national home. It required the Mandatory to facilitate Jewish immigration into Palestine. It provided that a foreign body known as the Zionist Organization should be recognized as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in matters affecting the establishment of the Jewish national home. It is clear that, although the Mandates System was conceived in the interest of the inhabitants of the Mandated Territory, the Palestine Mandate was conceived in the interest of an alien people originating from outside Palestine, and ran counter to the basic concept of mandates. As Lord Islington observed when he opposed the inclusion of the Balfour Declaration in the Palestine Mandate: "The Palestine Mandate is a real distortion of the mandatory system". The same distinguished Lord added:

"When one sees in Article 22 ... that the well-being and development of such peoples should form a sacred trust of civilization, and when one takes that as the note of the mandatory system, I think your Lordships will see that we are straying down a very far path when we are postponing self-government in Palestine until such time as the population is flooded with an alien race."

- See more at: The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem - CEIRPP, DPR study, part I: 1917-1947 (30 June 1978)

 

[Phoenall]

You need to read up on the mandate for Palestine. During the mandate period, the Zionists had almost free reign to create a state within a state. Meanwhile any Palestinian organization attempting to create their own independence was banned. Their leaders were imprisoned, exiled, and sometimes killed...

That's what the Palestinians get, for rebelling against the LoN -authorized British Mandate, in the 1936-1939 Arab Revolt.

They phukked that one up and lost that one too, hugely.

Dumbasses and incompetents.

The Brits were no longer willing to trust the Palestinians by that time.

The Palestinians just can't get along very well with anyone, never mind the Jews.

An obnoxious, intransigent low-brow folk.

...Any action of the Palestinians toward independence has been trampled be illegal external interference.

Mad dogs need to be kept in kennels.

Even the Brits knew this.

Given present collaboration with Israel on blockading and containment, it looks like even the Egyptians and Jordanians have come to their sense, and come to realize the truth behind the mad-dog and kennels talk.

"The Palestine Mandate was invalid on three grounds set out hereinafter.

"1. The first ground of invalidity of the Mandate is that by endorsing the Balfour Declaration and accepting the concept of the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine it violated the sovereignty of the people of Palestine and their natural rights of independence and self-determination. Palestine was the national home of the Palestinians from time immemorial. The establishment of a national home for an alien people in that country was a violation of the legitimate and fundamental rights of the inhabitants. The League of Nations did not possess the power, any more than the British Government did, to dispose of Palestine, or to grant to the Jews any political or territorial rights in that country. In so far as the Mandate purported to recognize any rights for alien Jews in Palestine, it was null and void.

"2. The second ground of invalidity of the Mandate is that it violated, in spirit and in letter, Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, under the authority of which it purported to be made. The Mandate violated Article 22 in three respects:

"(a) The Covenant had envisaged the Mandate as the best method of achieving its basic objective of ensuring the well-being and development of the peoples inhabiting the Mandated Territories.

"Was the Palestine Mandate conceived for the well-being and development of the inhabitants of Palestine? The answer is found in the provisions of the Mandate itself. The Mandate sought the establishment in Palestine of a national home for another people, contrary to the rights and wishes of the Palestinians ... It required the Mandatory to place the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as would secure the establishment of a Jewish national home. It required the Mandatory to facilitate Jewish immigration into Palestine. It provided that a foreign body known as the Zionist Organization should be recognized as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in matters affecting the establishment of the Jewish national home. It is clear that, although the Mandates System was conceived in the interest of the inhabitants of the Mandated Territory, the Palestine Mandate was conceived in the interest of an alien people originating from outside Palestine, and ran counter to the basic concept of mandates. As Lord Islington observed when he opposed the inclusion of the Balfour Declaration in the Palestine Mandate: "The Palestine Mandate is a real distortion of the mandatory system". The same distinguished Lord added:

"When one sees in Article 22 ... that the well-being and development of such peoples should form a sacred trust of civilization, and when one takes that as the note of the mandatory system, I think your Lordships will see that we are straying down a very far path when we are postponing self-government in Palestine until such time as the population is flooded with an alien race."

- See more at: The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem - CEIRPP, DPR study, part I: 1917-1947 (30 June 1978)

So what about the Jews rights, were are you allowing for those in your constant pro arab muslim posts. Or don't you believe that the Jews should have any rights to self determination and the right to a homeland. And just like you the author of this paper puts modern rules in place to an old practise that included the aqusition of land through war

 

[P F Tinmore]

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