EverCurious
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Personal attacks aside, this has zero to do with the blind rush to get a $30k bill for a degree you're never going to use...
It has everything to do with it. And when you say a "degree you never use", what the fuck are you even talking about? One of the major reasons one goes to college is to develop critical thinking skills (which you obviously lack). It's those critical thinking skills that lead a graduate to develop good workplace skills because they have spent 4 years being taught to think critically as a part of higher education. If you don't see the value in critical thinking, then you're probably a stupid person yourself who lacks the ability to exercise critical thinking and thus sucks up all the stupid bullshit (like how people don't need college degrees) Conservatives vomit out there like how cutting taxes somehow means more revenue, the Earth is 6,000 years old, Climate Change is not real, and deregulation is good for the economy. College graduates make nearly double what those with only a HS degree make. So all you're doing when you discourage people from going to college is lowering the average wages, making people less inclined to question dubious ideology, which results in a lowering of the living standard, which results in an increase in welfare spending because people without college degrees qualify for many welfare benefits as their average wage of $23K/yr is barely above the poverty line. Someone without a college degree is most likely going to have to rely on federal assistance programs like SNAP, Medicaid, and others. Most Walmart workers have no college degree, and we the taxpayers subsidize about $5B a year in welfare benefits for those workers. BTW - Walmart's profits last year were $14B. So we are subsidizing more than 1/3 of Walmart profits because they pay their non-college educated workforce such low wages.
Personal attacks aside. Partisan attacks aside.
WRONG! Getting a degree does not /guarantee/ higher pay.
IF the college graduate isn't willing to pursue the actual career, which includes moving away from friends and family, then they will /never/ see that "increased pay" for their degree.
IF the college graduate is going after those 27% of jobs that require a college degree, lets say "Anthropology." If they are not willing to move to a museum that has an anthropology position open, they're not going to see any benefit. If they're not willing to move to a school that has a anthropology teaching position open, they're not going to see any benefit. If they're not willing to /commit/ to pursuing the position their degree is in, then they will /never/ see an increased wage because of that degree. This is /not/ a hard concept to grasp, you are just unhinged about partisan politics...
As to the workplace skills bit, all these colleges giving out safe spaces and catering to PC. The skills they are learning in colleges are actually a /disservice/ to concept of workplace skills... I'm just going to refer you to this list here - http://www.jwu.edu/uploadedFiles/Documents/Alumni/JWUTopWorkSkills.pdf If you cannot see how college grads are either failing to learn these /basic/ workplace skills at college, or worse actually learning the /wrong/ thing to do from college, then I really can't help you because you're too dense.
One can see just from /your/ responses to my comments that you are failing on like 90% of these /actual/ workplace skills you think college is teaching/has taught you. It doesn't matter how much you whine about my hard nose statements son, I am a recently business person. A professional who got paid to give advice on everything from hiring/firing to the guts of how a business is run, my entire job was taking over management of businesses when they had an unexpected executive position open up. I am who these kids are wanting to hire them. I am the person who would be looking at their resume and evaluating their attitude and fit for whatever position. I'm the interviewer. I am the person who evaluates their performance and decides if they get canned in a down size or not. Whine, cry, bully all you want, but I am the harsh reality these kids will face when getting a job. I'm the person who that decides if they get hired or fired, I'm the person that decides what they are paid, and I'm the person that decides if they get a raise. You can try to hide under your security blanket of "lefty values" but I'm the bitch that steals your blanket and burns it to say "welcome to the real world."
Lets get "personal" son and maybe you'll figure it out before you fuck your life over (regardless of your precious 4 year degree.) You come off as a hostile, angry, punk kid, immature and abrasive. You think you're smarter than anyone who doesn't agree with you. You think you can force people to believe what you do by berating them and calling them stupid. You think insults are valid points of debate and meaningful to prove your point or get your point across. You think partisan politics are appropriate to fling at a non-partisan person simply because they disagree with you on a single point; showing you have zero skill for negotiation, zero compassion for alternate opinions and would/will make it harder on co-workers to deal with your personality flaws. You attempt to force or bully me into thinking and believing as you do, which is 100% impossible in any real world situation - that only works on college kids and people who have not formed a solid foundation of beliefs, the majority of people outside college, those in the workforce have already developed those things. You think that it's appropriate to guess at, and insult, "my" religion without a second thought for how unrelated and inappropriate that is. Instead of trying to change my mind through effective negotiation, you IMEDIATELY choose to /personally/ attack /me/ as if that would help your case.
Son, just based on your diatribe in what three posts(?) I can tell you that you would be fired from any job that paid even second rung. But you go on thinking you're all that and a bag of chips.
"Arrogance is a creature. It does not have senses. It has only a sharp tongue and the pointing finger.”
For a hiring manager you sure don't seem to know much. Anthropology? You think only museums and universities hire Anthropology majors? The FBI hires lots of them. Marketing companies love them. Public health, industrial relations, the list is pretty comprehensive. Not to mention it is a damn good degree prior to law school. Matter of fact, someone with an Anthropology degree would probably be a better fit for YOUR job than you.
Then there is philosophy, my personal favorite. Mostly because philosophy majors have the highest increase in salary during the first ten years of employment, and they sure as hell aren't sitting around being philosophers.
The point, a college degree, ANY college degree, will improve one's lifetime earnings. One does not have to work in the field of their degree. Hell, my brother majored in English. He is an engineer.
Yeah I didn't list out every single position such a degree might be handy for, I was speaking in generalities. Doesn't change the fact that if said kid isn't willing to go where the job is needed they're not likely to get their money's worth from the degree (which was the point.) - This is the kind of shit I'm talking about colleges not teaching though, ya'll are more interesting in being arrogant bitches than actually having a conversation. I mean I'm the kind of person that hires and you'd rather argue and try to prove a political point than face reality - that is one of the major flaws that's devaluing college degrees as well.
Again, if you're not willing to go where a philosophy job is open, then it might not be the best idea to go into debt for a degree in.
Not guaranteed higher pay - that's just the stats because there wasn't a glut of college degrees on the market, you watch as more folks get degrees, that value will go down (probably a lot, because it's already at the tipping point of devaluing as it stands.) Again, there are only roughly 33m jobs in the US that require a college degree, a good deal of them are taken, the ones that aren't taken yet require someone to make the commitment to come take them.
A 2yr degree shows the same key traits of responsibility and dedication as a 4yr degree to someone that is hiring outside that specific degrees field. The difference is in price tag and debt. I never said folks couldn't work outside their degree field, in fact I earlier made the point that over 40% of college students /aren't/ working in their degree field, and in fact, are working in positions that don't require a college degree - they could have got that job fresh out of HS and saved themselves $30 grand and be in a lot better position financially.
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