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[Alex.]

Chris, let's see those messages. I generally think Alex can't get any dumber but he proves me wrong every day. It'd be hilarious to see how he conducts himself via PM.

Chris, let's see those messages. I generally think Alex can't get any dumber but he proves me wrong every day. It'd be hilarious to see how he conducts himself via PM.

Well I can tell you, even MORE whiny than he is here believe it or not.

What remains is that the Patriots and Brady have a tainted legacy filled with cheating and lies.

If that's the case, Phallics...then it should be so easy for the NFL to prove...yet after millions of dollars spent on an exhaustive investigation Ted Wells came up with "maybe" and "might have". This entire "scandal" was always a joke. It should have been dealt with by Roger Goodell right from the start for the minor equipment problem it was. You have the refs check the balls before the game and you have the balls carried to the field by the officials. You recheck the balls at half time. Problem solved! You don't fine the Patriots and Tom Brady millions of dollars and take away first and second round draft picks because balls were slightly under inflated and you think "maybe" the Patriots are responsible! It's such an over reaction that it borders on farce. You don't suspend one of the most respected players in the league the same amount of games for "possibly" knowing that balls were slightly under inflated as you do for a player who beats the living shit out of his girlfriend and has to pay her big money to keep the case out of court.

Mixing issues and outcomes will never make anything right.

 

[Oldstyle]

How does this "investigation" make anything come out right? Goodell looks like an idiot. Ted Wells looks incompetent. Robert Kraft tries to play peacemaker...gets screwed by Goodell and now want's Goodell's head on a platter. Tom Brady has to spend time in a court room instead of on the practice field doing his job. The fans of football get to watch the Pittsburg Steelers and the New England Patriots kick off the year with Jimmy Garapolo under center instead of one of the all time great quarterbacks turning what should be a good game into a possible stinker. Who wins from this? Teams that suck so bad that they think the only way they stand a chance against a team like the Patriots is to try and handicap them? The precedence this sets is SO bad that it most likely will lead to a revamping of the Commissioner's powers. Goodell has proven repeatedly that he doesn't have a clue what he's doing when it comes to enforcing NFL rules.

 

[Alex.]

How does this "investigation" make anything come out right? Goodell looks like an idiot. Ted Wells looks incompetent. Robert Kraft tries to play peacemaker...gets screwed by Goodell and now want's Goodell's head on a platter. Tom Brady has to spend time in a court room instead of on the practice field doing his job. The fans of football get to watch the Pittsburg Steelers and the New England Patriots kick off the year with Jimmy Garapolo under center instead of one of the all time great quarterbacks turning what should be a good game into a possible stinker. Who wins from this? Teams that suck so bad that they think the only way they stand a chance against a team like the Patriots is to try and handicap them? The precedence this sets is SO bad that it most likely will lead to a revamping of the Commissioner's powers. Goodell has proven repeatedly that he doesn't have a clue what he's doing when it comes to enforcing NFL rules.

No one wins, the fans don't win. Brady should have cooperated to the fullest extent and kicked Goodell's ass instead of tampering with evidence and now we still have this mess because of him. For Kraft's part he should not have tried to buy off Goodell by paying the million dollar fine. He did not do any justice to his fan base, the fan base as whole or the NFL.

 

[Oldstyle]

How does this "investigation" make anything come out right? Goodell looks like an idiot. Ted Wells looks incompetent. Robert Kraft tries to play peacemaker...gets screwed by Goodell and now want's Goodell's head on a platter. Tom Brady has to spend time in a court room instead of on the practice field doing his job. The fans of football get to watch the Pittsburg Steelers and the New England Patriots kick off the year with Jimmy Garapolo under center instead of one of the all time great quarterbacks turning what should be a good game into a possible stinker. Who wins from this? Teams that suck so bad that they think the only way they stand a chance against a team like the Patriots is to try and handicap them? The precedence this sets is SO bad that it most likely will lead to a revamping of the Commissioner's powers. Goodell has proven repeatedly that he doesn't have a clue what he's doing when it comes to enforcing NFL rules.

No one wins, the fans don't win. Brady should have cooperated to the fullest extent and kicked Goodell's ass instead of tampering with evidence and now we still have this mess because of him. For Kraft's part he should not have tried to buy off Goodell by paying the million dollar fine. He did not do any justice to his fan base, the fan base as whole or the NFL.

You mean turning over his cell phone so obsessive idiots like you can pour through his private life looking for something to smear him with? Like showing a picture of his nanny showing off Brady's Super Bowl rings and claiming that Brady was boinking her? Brady knew EXACTLY what would come from "cooperating to the fullest" with an NFL office in New York that is blatantly anti-New England Patriots.

As for Kraft? Oh, he's learned his lesson! At this point Roger Goodell could be on fire and Robert Kraft wouldn't piss on him to put it out! Start looking for other work, Roger...your time is about over at the NFL.

 

[Alex.]

How does this "investigation" make anything come out right? Goodell looks like an idiot. Ted Wells looks incompetent. Robert Kraft tries to play peacemaker...gets screwed by Goodell and now want's Goodell's head on a platter. Tom Brady has to spend time in a court room instead of on the practice field doing his job. The fans of football get to watch the Pittsburg Steelers and the New England Patriots kick off the year with Jimmy Garapolo under center instead of one of the all time great quarterbacks turning what should be a good game into a possible stinker. Who wins from this? Teams that suck so bad that they think the only way they stand a chance against a team like the Patriots is to try and handicap them? The precedence this sets is SO bad that it most likely will lead to a revamping of the Commissioner's powers. Goodell has proven repeatedly that he doesn't have a clue what he's doing when it comes to enforcing NFL rules.

No one wins, the fans don't win. Brady should have cooperated to the fullest extent and kicked Goodell's ass instead of tampering with evidence and now we still have this mess because of him. For Kraft's part he should not have tried to buy off Goodell by paying the million dollar fine. He did not do any justice to his fan base, the fan base as whole or the NFL.

You mean turning over his cell phone so obsessive idiots like you can pour through his private life looking for something to smear him with? Like showing a picture of his nanny showing off Brady's Super Bowl rings and claiming that Brady was boinking her? Brady knew EXACTLY what would come from "cooperating to the fullest" with an NFL office in New York that is blatantly anti-New England Patriots.

As for Kraft? Oh, he's learned his lesson! At this point Roger Goodell could be on fire and Robert Kraft wouldn't piss on him to put it out! Start looking for other work, Roger...your time is about over at the NFL.

If a person is falsely accused the best way is to face the accuser in the bargained for arena, in this case it is the CBA. No phone necessary but not several different versions as to why the phone was not available.

 

[Oldstyle]

Why should Tom Brady be forced to turn over private conversations on his cell phone because some idiots at the NFL offices overreacted to game balls being slightly under-inflated? How did this minor equipment issue become "DEFLATEGATE!!!!!!!!"?

If a person is falsely accused the best way to "face it" is to demand that their accuser show proof of wrong doing. This is America...you're not guilty until you prove yourself innocent. It's the other way around. If you're the NFL and you think the Patriots conspired to cheat...show your proof! Don't make the charge...completely fail at showing proof...and then turn around and say that you're going to punish the Patriots and Tom Brady for failure to cooperate! That's absurd.

 

[Oldstyle]

And the "arena" where this should have been heard...even under the CBA...is by a neutral arbiter...not Roger Goodell judging whether or not Roger Goodell acted properly! If Goodell wasn't such an IDIOT he'd grasp that concept!

 

[Dot Com]

Alex - shut the **** up already.

Brady destroyed his phone which may very well have had the direct evidence the judge was asking for.

The NFL claims Brady broke his phone, also the NFL said they did not want the phone. Just give them the relevant phone numbers. So why does the NFL care what was done with the phone.

Both sides are lying, I find neither side credible.

I look at the standard applied by the NFL and am satisfied they have met their burden. Brady is a liar and a con artist. I liked Brady before this, an underdog who worked hard to achieve greatness. Now he is just a 6th round draft pick who manipulated and broke the rules to get ahead. No more than a man who was ruled by his character defects to get ahead and could not give one **** about the institution or the people he crapped on.

Too bad he doesn't realize that it would be better for him to resign now rather than leave the league w/ egg on his face

 

[Oldstyle]

Egg on his face? He's been accused of something that the NFL hasn't even come close to proving. He just won another Super Bowl. He was once again named Super Bowl MVP. Why in God's name would Tom Brady "resign"? Because you don't like the Patriots? Dream on...

 

[Papageorgio]

Alex - shut the **** up already.

Brady destroyed his phone which may very well have had the direct evidence the judge was asking for.

The NFL claims Brady broke his phone, also the NFL said they did not want the phone. Just give them the relevant phone numbers. So why does the NFL care what was done with the phone.

Both sides are lying, I find neither side credible.

I look at the standard applied by the NFL and am satisfied they have met their burden. Brady is a liar and a con artist. I liked Brady before this, an underdog who worked hard to achieve greatness. Now he is just a 6th round draft pick who manipulated and broke the rules to get ahead. No more than a man who was ruled by his character defects to get ahead and could not give one **** about the institution or the people he crapped on.

Too bad he doesn't realize that it would be better for him to resign now rather than leave the league w/ egg on his face

Resign? WTF? You equate him with a politician?

If the Pats let him go, several teams would sign him right away. The Pats won't let him go because he is good.

Goodell has lied and pushed the issue with Brady, if anyone is going to resign, it's Goodell.

The whole idea is really stupid.

 

[Alex.]

Why should Tom Brady be forced to turn over private conversations on his cell phone because some idiots at the NFL offices overreacted to game balls being slightly under-inflated? How did this minor equipment issue become "DEFLATEGATE!!!!!!!!"?

If a person is falsely accused the best way to "face it" is to demand that their accuser show proof of wrong doing. This is America...you're not guilty until you prove yourself innocent. It's the other way around. If you're the NFL and you think the Patriots conspired to cheat...show your proof! Don't make the charge...completely fail at showing proof...and then turn around and say that you're going to punish the Patriots and Tom Brady for failure to cooperate! That's absurd.

Brady agreed to the proceedings against him in the CBA so yep he has a duty to cooperate.

 

[Alex.]

Alex - shut the **** up already.

Brady destroyed his phone which may very well have had the direct evidence the judge was asking for.

The NFL claims Brady broke his phone, also the NFL said they did not want the phone. Just give them the relevant phone numbers. So why does the NFL care what was done with the phone.

Both sides are lying, I find neither side credible.

I look at the standard applied by the NFL and am satisfied they have met their burden. Brady is a liar and a con artist. I liked Brady before this, an underdog who worked hard to achieve greatness. Now he is just a 6th round draft pick who manipulated and broke the rules to get ahead. No more than a man who was ruled by his character defects to get ahead and could not give one **** about the institution or the people he crapped on.

Too bad he doesn't realize that it would be better for him to resign now rather than leave the league w/ egg on his face

Resign? WTF? You equate him with a politician?

If the Pats let him go, several teams would sign him right away. The Pats won't let him go because he is good.

Goodell has lied and pushed the issue with Brady, if anyone is going to resign, it's Goodell.

The whole idea is really stupid.

Brady and Kraft should have stood tall and beat the NFL according to the rules ion the CBA instead of paying the fine and crying about it and destroying evidence and failing to cooperate.

 

[Unkotare]

Brady was told by the other side that they did NOT need his phone. His legal team turned over hundreds of pages of text and data anyway. Brady getting a new phone was in no way "tampering with evidence." The lies being thrown about over this are ridiculous, and the NFL is guilty of knowingly promoting such lies.

 

[Papageorgio]

Brady destroyed his phone which may very well have had the direct evidence the judge was asking for.

The NFL claims Brady broke his phone, also the NFL said they did not want the phone. Just give them the relevant phone numbers. So why does the NFL care what was done with the phone.

Both sides are lying, I find neither side credible.

I look at the standard applied by the NFL and am satisfied they have met their burden. Brady is a liar and a con artist. I liked Brady before this, an underdog who worked hard to achieve greatness. Now he is just a 6th round draft pick who manipulated and broke the rules to get ahead. No more than a man who was ruled by his character defects to get ahead and could not give one **** about the institution or the people he crapped on.

Too bad he doesn't realize that it would be better for him to resign now rather than leave the league w/ egg on his face

Resign? WTF? You equate him with a politician?

If the Pats let him go, several teams would sign him right away. The Pats won't let him go because he is good.

Goodell has lied and pushed the issue with Brady, if anyone is going to resign, it's Goodell.

The whole idea is really stupid.

Brady and Kraft should have stood tall and beat the NFL according to the rules ion the CBA instead of paying the fine and crying about it and destroying evidence and failing to cooperate.

First off, there is no proof that Brady destroyed his phone, only the NFL said he destroyed the phone.

Secondly, according to Wells and the NFL they said they didn't need the phone and told Brady to give them any relevant communication that had to do with deflated footballs, so there isn't any evidence destroyed.

Third, he could have erased text messages instead of destroying his phone and it would have the same effect.

Fourth, Brady said he provided the calls and texts numbers.

Again, no evidence destroyed, no evidence provided that Brady did anything wrong. I believe he knew something. The NFL has been inconsistent with its discipline and although Goodell has a lot of power, him overstepped and made an issue that a simple fine would have sufficed.

 

[Papageorgio]

How does this "investigation" make anything come out right? Goodell looks like an idiot. Ted Wells looks incompetent. Robert Kraft tries to play peacemaker...gets screwed by Goodell and now want's Goodell's head on a platter. Tom Brady has to spend time in a court room instead of on the practice field doing his job. The fans of football get to watch the Pittsburg Steelers and the New England Patriots kick off the year with Jimmy Garapolo under center instead of one of the all time great quarterbacks turning what should be a good game into a possible stinker. Who wins from this? Teams that suck so bad that they think the only way they stand a chance against a team like the Patriots is to try and handicap them? The precedence this sets is SO bad that it most likely will lead to a revamping of the Commissioner's powers. Goodell has proven repeatedly that he doesn't have a clue what he's doing when it comes to enforcing NFL rules.

No one wins, the fans don't win. Brady should have cooperated to the fullest extent and kicked Goodell's ass instead of tampering with evidence and now we still have this mess because of him. For Kraft's part he should not have tried to buy off Goodell by paying the million dollar fine. He did not do any justice to his fan base, the fan base as whole or the NFL.

You mean turning over his cell phone so obsessive idiots like you can pour through his private life looking for something to smear him with? Like showing a picture of his nanny showing off Brady's Super Bowl rings and claiming that Brady was boinking her? Brady knew EXACTLY what would come from "cooperating to the fullest" with an NFL office in New York that is blatantly anti-New England Patriots.

As for Kraft? Oh, he's learned his lesson! At this point Roger Goodell could be on fire and Robert Kraft wouldn't piss on him to put it out! Start looking for other work, Roger...your time is about over at the NFL.

True, nothing in the CBA allows the Commissioner to seize or search personal property.

 

[Oldstyle]

Why should Tom Brady be forced to turn over private conversations on his cell phone because some idiots at the NFL offices overreacted to game balls being slightly under-inflated? How did this minor equipment issue become "DEFLATEGATE!!!!!!!!"?

If a person is falsely accused the best way to "face it" is to demand that their accuser show proof of wrong doing. This is America...you're not guilty until you prove yourself innocent. It's the other way around. If you're the NFL and you think the Patriots conspired to cheat...show your proof! Don't make the charge...completely fail at showing proof...and then turn around and say that you're going to punish the Patriots and Tom Brady for failure to cooperate! That's absurd.

Brady agreed to the proceedings against him in the CBA so yep he has a duty to cooperate.

In the CBA, disputes are supposed to be decided by a neutral arbiter...not the same person who ruled on something to start with. Roger Goodell should NEVER have presided over the arbitration process!

In what "arbitration" process would the person who made the original call also be the person who makes the call in arbitration? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

 

[Oldstyle]

The NFL claims Brady broke his phone, also the NFL said they did not want the phone. Just give them the relevant phone numbers. So why does the NFL care what was done with the phone.

Both sides are lying, I find neither side credible.

I look at the standard applied by the NFL and am satisfied they have met their burden. Brady is a liar and a con artist. I liked Brady before this, an underdog who worked hard to achieve greatness. Now he is just a 6th round draft pick who manipulated and broke the rules to get ahead. No more than a man who was ruled by his character defects to get ahead and could not give one **** about the institution or the people he crapped on.

Too bad he doesn't realize that it would be better for him to resign now rather than leave the league w/ egg on his face

Resign? WTF? You equate him with a politician?

If the Pats let him go, several teams would sign him right away. The Pats won't let him go because he is good.

Goodell has lied and pushed the issue with Brady, if anyone is going to resign, it's Goodell.

The whole idea is really stupid.

Brady and Kraft should have stood tall and beat the NFL according to the rules ion the CBA instead of paying the fine and crying about it and destroying evidence and failing to cooperate.

First off, there is no proof that Brady destroyed his phone, only the NFL said he destroyed the phone.

Secondly, according to Wells and the NFL they said they didn't need the phone and told Brady to give them any relevant communication that had to do with deflated footballs, so there isn't any evidence destroyed.

Third, he could have erased text messages instead of destroying his phone and it would have the same effect.

Fourth, Brady said he provided the calls and texts numbers.

Again, no evidence destroyed, no evidence provided that Brady did anything wrong. I believe he knew something. The NFL has been inconsistent with its discipline and although Goodell has a lot of power, him overstepped and made an issue that a simple fine would have sufficed.

Quite understandably...Tom Brady doesn't want his personal communications put out there for obsessive haters like Phallics to try and make him appear to be something he's not. I can completely understand his reluctance to hand over the contents of his cell phone. One only has to look at what's been done with the information that Brady HAS turned over to realize how whatever was on the phone would have been used.

 

[Alex.]

Why should Tom Brady be forced to turn over private conversations on his cell phone because some idiots at the NFL offices overreacted to game balls being slightly under-inflated? How did this minor equipment issue become "DEFLATEGATE!!!!!!!!"?

If a person is falsely accused the best way to "face it" is to demand that their accuser show proof of wrong doing. This is America...you're not guilty until you prove yourself innocent. It's the other way around. If you're the NFL and you think the Patriots conspired to cheat...show your proof! Don't make the charge...completely fail at showing proof...and then turn around and say that you're going to punish the Patriots and Tom Brady for failure to cooperate! That's absurd.

Brady agreed to the proceedings against him in the CBA so yep he has a duty to cooperate.

In the CBA, disputes are supposed to be decided by a neutral arbiter...not the same person who ruled on something to start with. Roger Goodell should NEVER have presided over the arbitration process!

In what "arbitration" process would the person who made the original call also be the person who makes the call in arbitration? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

Wrong Goodell has the authority to review his own decisions.

 

[Alex.]

How does this "investigation" make anything come out right? Goodell looks like an idiot. Ted Wells looks incompetent. Robert Kraft tries to play peacemaker...gets screwed by Goodell and now want's Goodell's head on a platter. Tom Brady has to spend time in a court room instead of on the practice field doing his job. The fans of football get to watch the Pittsburg Steelers and the New England Patriots kick off the year with Jimmy Garapolo under center instead of one of the all time great quarterbacks turning what should be a good game into a possible stinker. Who wins from this? Teams that suck so bad that they think the only way they stand a chance against a team like the Patriots is to try and handicap them? The precedence this sets is SO bad that it most likely will lead to a revamping of the Commissioner's powers. Goodell has proven repeatedly that he doesn't have a clue what he's doing when it comes to enforcing NFL rules.

No one wins, the fans don't win. Brady should have cooperated to the fullest extent and kicked Goodell's ass instead of tampering with evidence and now we still have this mess because of him. For Kraft's part he should not have tried to buy off Goodell by paying the million dollar fine. He did not do any justice to his fan base, the fan base as whole or the NFL.

You mean turning over his cell phone so obsessive idiots like you can pour through his private life looking for something to smear him with? Like showing a picture of his nanny showing off Brady's Super Bowl rings and claiming that Brady was boinking her? Brady knew EXACTLY what would come from "cooperating to the fullest" with an NFL office in New York that is blatantly anti-New England Patriots.

As for Kraft? Oh, he's learned his lesson! At this point Roger Goodell could be on fire and Robert Kraft wouldn't piss on him to put it out! Start looking for other work, Roger...your time is about over at the NFL.

True, nothing in the CBA allows the Commissioner to seize or search personal property.

I never said that and that was not an issue until Brady offered several incorrect version of what happened to the phone to begin. At that point Brady looked very wrong on this.

 

[Oldstyle]

Why should Tom Brady be forced to turn over private conversations on his cell phone because some idiots at the NFL offices overreacted to game balls being slightly under-inflated? How did this minor equipment issue become "DEFLATEGATE!!!!!!!!"?

If a person is falsely accused the best way to "face it" is to demand that their accuser show proof of wrong doing. This is America...you're not guilty until you prove yourself innocent. It's the other way around. If you're the NFL and you think the Patriots conspired to cheat...show your proof! Don't make the charge...completely fail at showing proof...and then turn around and say that you're going to punish the Patriots and Tom Brady for failure to cooperate! That's absurd.

Brady agreed to the proceedings against him in the CBA so yep he has a duty to cooperate.

In the CBA, disputes are supposed to be decided by a neutral arbiter...not the same person who ruled on something to start with. Roger Goodell should NEVER have presided over the arbitration process!

In what "arbitration" process would the person who made the original call also be the person who makes the call in arbitration? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

Wrong Goodell has the authority to review his own decisions.

Think about that, Phallics! How can someone be the neutral arbiter on their own decision? To do so is to essentially do away with the entire protection that a neutral arbiter would provide.