Passion of the Christ
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The Irish Ram
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It's a good thing, Gracie. It's called spiritual awakening because our souls are involved. And our souls are in spirit form.
What happened when Eve and Adam ate that apple was them opening their minds to evil. They had no idea it existed before that. One of the most devastating results of the incident for us was that Adam lost his dominion over the earth. Since that day earth has been Satan's domain.
But the far bigger coup for Satan was that sin is septic, and is past on to the next generation of humans and the next. He doomed us all.
Our merciful Father is also the Supreme Judge. It is His duty to deal with sin according to the law. And the law says that the punishment for sin is, among other things, a complete separation from our Father upon leaving our terrestrial bodies.
These creatures that God loved so dearly were now permanently headed for eternal separation from Him. Satan thought He had it in the bag, but what he didn't know is that the law didn't stipulate WHO had to pay the penalty. So God became one of us. We called Him Jesus. And His pure blood replaced our infected blood. He bought us back at a price. Not just for the present but for eternity.
The severity of His suffering is an indication of what Satan is capable of. What Satan did to Christ, bruised Christ's heel. What Christ did by coming back is crush Satan's head. One is a temporary wound. The other is a permanent wound. All that remains is for Satan to be sentenced and dispatched.
It is the very first prophesy in the Bible.
Koosh, I know it's hard to understand why bad things happen. But until Christ returns Satan will continue to go to and fro on this earth to kill and destroy in the short time he has left. It is up to us to recognize and avoid Him.
Begging for some one to live and then have them die, happens because God knows better than we do concerning what that person needs. If they die we look at that as loss. But it's not. It is gain. Absent from the body is present with the Lord.
It's like asking God to leave that person here at the terrestrial dump, when mansions and eternal joy is what He has in mind.
It is the difference between telling the Creator of the Universe," thy will for this person, thy future for this person be done", or, "do my bidding or else". He's not there to fulfill our wish lists. His ways are higher than ours. If He takes someone it's because they're better off with Him than here.
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RosieS
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So that just makes me swing back around and say "huh"?
God was Jesus then? Same entity, two different bodies. So why would Jesus say nobody can get to the Father except through him and keep talking about God as His father?
I finally decided they were two separate entities. God. Son. Now you are saying they are one and the same?
God was Jesus then? Same entity, two different bodies. So why would Jesus say nobody can get to the Father except through him and keep talking about God as His father?
I finally decided they were two separate entities. God. Son. Now you are saying they are one and the same?
ALMIGHTY GOD IS GOD THE FATHER,GOD THE SON,GOD THE HOLYSPIRIT=THREE BUT ONE JUST AS MAN IS THREE BUT ONE=MAN is body,soul and spirit=three but one man!!!
Kooshdakhaa
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The Holy Trinity. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. All one. Three separate but all one at the same time.
Sorry, I can't explain it off the top of my head. Just remember learning that as a Catholic kid. It is one of the most profound of all mysteries, how these three can be one.
Kooshdakhaa
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It's a good thing, Gracie. It's called spiritual awakening because our souls are involved. And our souls are in spirit form.
What happened when Eve and Adam ate that apple was them opening their minds to evil. They had no idea it existed before that. One of the most devastating results of the incident for us was that Adam lost his dominion over the earth. Since that day earth has been Satan's domain.
But the far bigger coup for Satan was that sin is septic, and is past on to the next generation of humans and the next. He doomed us all.
Our merciful Father is also the Supreme Judge. It is His duty to deal with sin according to the law. And the law says that the punishment for sin is, among other things, a complete separation from our Father upon leaving our terrestrial bodies.
These creatures that God loved so dearly were now permanently headed for eternal separation from Him. Satan thought He had it in the bag, but what he didn't know is that the law didn't stipulate WHO had to pay the penalty. So God became one of us. We called Him Jesus. And His pure blood replaced our infected blood. He bought us back at a price. Not just for the present but for eternity.
The severity of His suffering is an indication of what Satan is capable of. What Satan did to Christ, bruised Christ's heel. What Christ did by coming back is crush Satan's head. One is a temporary wound. The other is a permanent wound. All that remains is for Satan to be sentenced and dispatched.
It is the very first prophesy in the Bible.
Koosh, I know it's hard to understand why bad things happen. But until Christ returns Satan will continue to go to and fro on this earth to kill and destroy in the short time he has left. It is up to us to recognize and avoid Him.
Begging for some one to live and then have them die, happens because God knows better than we do concerning what that person needs. If they die we look at that as loss. But it's not. It is gain. Absent from the body is present with the Lord.
It's like asking God to leave that person here at the terrestrial dump, when mansions and eternal joy is what He has in mind.
It is the difference between telling the Creator of the Universe," thy will for this person, thy future for this person be done", or, "do my bidding or else". He's not there to fulfill our wish lists. His ways are higher than ours. If He takes someone it's because they're better off with Him than here.
You always manage to get through to me. That comforts me. Thank you.
Kooshdakhaa
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Like I said..too confusing for me. I will ask Him/Them when I get there.
LOL I have a feeling they're gonna like you, Gracie!
Have you read this book called "The Shack" I sometimes talk about. It deals with the topic of the Holy Trinity, among other things. I was impressed with that book. I may read it again, and I rarely read a book twice.
Kooshdakhaa
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IrishRam has been my buddy for many MANY years. She always makes me feel better too.
Yep. She's this clear, quiet, strong voice that I cannot ignore.
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IrishRam has been my buddy for many MANY years. She always makes me feel better too.
Yep. She's this clear, quiet, strong voice that I cannot ignore.
Whenever you feel down...or confused...or need help with Daddy....pm her. She has been a GREAT help to me over the years..even with me still all confused. If anyone is a messenger from God, it damn sure ain't Gismys. It's Irish Ram.
ALMIGHTY GOD IS GOD THE FATHER,GOD THE SON,GOD THE HOLYSPIRIT=THREE BUT ONE JUST AS MAN IS THREE BUT ONE=MAN is body,soul and spirit=three but one man!!!
The single clearest declaration of the existence of God as Father, Son and Holy Spirit - i.e, to use the traditional theological term, as a Trinity - is found in I John 5, which states, in relevant part:
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God. Whoever loves the Father also loves the child who is born of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. His commandments are not grievous. For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world: your faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? This is he who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. For there are three who testify in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. And there are three that testify on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and the three agree as one. If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is God's testimony which he has testified concerning his Son. He who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. He who doesn't believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning his Son. The testimony is this, that God gave to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He who has the Son has the life. He who doesn't have God's Son doesn't have the life... We know that the Son of God has come, and has given us an understanding, that we know him who is true, and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
I John 5:1-12, 20
The single clearest declaration of the existence of God as Father, Son and Holy Spirit - i.e, to use the traditional theological term, as a Trinity - is found in I John 5, which states, in relevant part:
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God. Whoever loves the Father also loves the child who is born of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. His commandments are not grievous. For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world: your faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? This is he who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. For there are three who testify in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. And there are three that testify on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and the three agree as one. If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is God's testimony which he has testified concerning his Son. He who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. He who doesn't believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning his Son. The testimony is this, that God gave to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He who has the Son has the life. He who doesn't have God's Son doesn't have the life... We know that the Son of God has come, and has given us an understanding, that we know him who is true, and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
I John 5:1-12, 20
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It may just seem exaggerated because you are not accustomed to seeing it....it has been infered that Jesus was given 40 lashes....1 less than what is considered enough to kill a person, as mandated by Jewish law. They hated Him so much, why wouldn't they give him the maximum?
Jewish law that limits the maximum lashes imposed as a penalty to forty stripes only. This is commanded in Deuteronomy 25:1-3 - "If there is a dispute between men and they come into court and the judges decide between them, acquitting the innocent and condemning the guilty, then if the guilty man deserves to be beaten, the judge shall cause him to lie down and be beaten in his presence with a number of stripes in proportion to his offense. Forty stripes may be given him, but not more, lest, if one should go on to beat him with more stripes than these, your brother be degraded in your sight."
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If Jesus hadn't suffered like He did, would He have made an impact on people? Would anyone care? The suffering was to show those that believe in Him just how much He loves us, and also to show that the price He was willing to pay was no piece of cake.
It's great to have questions, God understands that we are going to have many questions, but it isn't enough to just have questions....we need to seek the answers.
You might be right. I'm just saying that he still had to carry his own cross up to Calvary Hill after he was beaten. Just not real sure about Mel's accuracy, but we'll all know the truth one day.
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It wasn't an apple and it wasn't so much that she ate a fruit she was told not to eat....it was that she disobeyed. God is not just another person, He is the Almighty, and He makes the rules. We might not like them, but He is the creator of everything and deserves all the respect and obedience. And, it isn't like God would not have forgiven her....he is most Gracious to forgive the gravest of sinners....when you mock God, do you still feel He should extend that grace?
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They take many liberties with movies....but it is the only movie that has actually moved me to tears on the way Jesus was treated. Perhaps it had to be shown for people to really understand. And the account of Him having to carry the cross is in Scripture....He was so weak he had to have help.
The Crucifixion - John 19:
16 So he then handed Him over to them to be crucified. 17They took Jesus, therefore, and He went out, bearing His own cross, to the place called the Place of a Skull, which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha.Â…
Mark 15:21
21 A certain man from Cyrene, Simon, the father of Alexander and Rufus, was passing by on his way in from the country, and they forced him to carry the cross.
The Irish Ram
LITTLE GIRL / Ram Tough
Same entity, different roles.
God, the Father, God, the Son, and God, the Holy Spirit.
Dad, Dad's heart, and Dad's power.
He, being God, was able to separate those qualities so they could function independently. Jesus is the spitting image of His Father:
Here's how He described it:
night.
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