Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border

[Billo_Really]

To suppress the massive peaceful demonstrations in Gaza, where the majority are Nakba refugees and their descendants, demanding an end to the 12-year-old siege and refugees’ rights, Israel has enacted a shoot-to-kill-or-maim policy, killing dozens and injuring thousands, many with live ammunition. The prosecutor of the International Criminal Court has condemned these crimes, while Amnesty International has called on world governments “to impose a comprehensive arms embargo on Israel” as an effective measure of accountability.

 

[Sixties Fan]

This one is for Susha and Sixties Fan...

This is the child who died of an existing heart condition, which had nothing at all to do with the conflict at the border. Lipush already posted about it. Do better.

'We are awaiting the pathologist's report,' says spokesman. Layla Ghandour's reported death from tear gas inhalation Monday made headlines

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Gaza’s health ministry now says it doesn’t know cause of baby’s death at border

 

[Billo_Really]

'We are awaiting the pathologist's report,' says spokesman. Layla Ghandour's reported death from tear gas inhalation Monday made headlines

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Gaza’s health ministry now says it doesn’t know cause of baby’s death at border

Waiting infers you care, which we all know you don't.

 

[Hollie]

To suppress the massive peaceful demonstrations in Gaza, where the majority are Nakba refugees and their descendants, demanding an end to the 12-year-old siege and refugees’ rights, Israel has enacted a shoot-to-kill-or-maim policy, killing dozens and injuring thousands, many with live ammunition. The prosecutor of the International Criminal Court has condemned these crimes, while Amnesty International has called on world governments “to impose a comprehensive arms embargo on Israel” as an effective measure of accountability.

Ahh. “Peaceful demonstrations”.

Now do you understand why people point and laugh at you?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

What does all that have to do with my post?

(COMMENT)

And you don't even recognized the definitions of "occupation" and "sovereignty" when you see them.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

What does all that have to do with my post?

(COMMENT)

And you don't even recognized the definitions of "occupation" and "sovereignty" when you see them.

Most Respectfully,
R

Occupations have a number of obligations and restriction. Israel violates virtually all of them. The invasion phase predates the occupation. Israel fits an invasion/colonial definition more so than an occupation.

Of course no sovereignty is acquired there either.

 

[rylah]

Indeed, they attacked Israel and they indeed lost.

Wrong and wrong.

You need to get off of that Israel propaganda crap.

Actually, I'm correct. You need to learn history.

Post a 1948 map of Israel then we can discuss where those 5 armies entered Israel.

An armistice was called by the UN Security Council. Nobody won or lost that war.

I await your duck.

The whole of the land under the previous rule of the mandate.
When did Jews ever lose sovereignty over the land?

Israel is the only one who came into agreements with neighbors based on those borders, no one else.
It's same map You claim belongs to Arabs, after they've got a bigger chunk of it in the East Bank.

Nice duck.

When did Jews ever gain sovereignty over the land?

After it was recognized as a National Home for Jews, when they got independent from the mandate and established a state.

Was Palestine called an Arab or Jewish National Home?

 

[Sixties Fan]

On Sunday, 114 Arabs were killed.

On Monday, 30 more.

On Tuesday, 26 more.

But the media didn't think that Arabs dying is an interesting story. Those people had the misfortune of being killed by other Arabs. If they had been killed by Jews, then suddenly there would be interest.

Instead, the news agencies sent hundreds of reporters to "report" on something that they already decided would be a massacre of innocent, unarmed civilians before a single shot was fired.

The reporters were busy falsely accusing Israel of shooting randomly into crowds of innocent unarmed civilians who were simply protesting the "blockade." Or the US embassy. Or their frustration. (Most reporters pretended that the protests, named the Great return March, had anything to do with "return" to overrun Israel based on its having the audacity to exist since 1948.)

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170 killed in Syria the first three days of this week. No one bothered to report about THOSE dead Arabs. ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Sixties Fan]

One of the tropes that is being repeated everywhere is this one, promoted here with complete credulity by the New York Times:

International law allowed for the use of lethal force only as a last resort in the face of an immediate threat to life or serious injury, Mr. Colville noted. Those laws "appear to have been ignored again and again," he added.

"An attempt to approach, or crossing or damaging the green line fence do not amount to a threat to life or serious injury and are not sufficient grounds for the use of live ammunition," he said.

This farcical claim originates with "human rights" groups such as Human Rights Watch (whose Israel director, Omar Shakir, is a BDS activist) and Amnesty International (which calls for an arms embargo on Israel).

The problem is this alleged requirement of "international law" doesn't exist. It is made-up, an example of the new trend of human rights groups claiming "international law" that doesn't actually exist in, say, the Geneva Conventions, but is merely what these groups wish was enshrined in international law because it gives their hatred of Israel a sheen of moral high-mindedness and impartiality.

The concept that lethal force can only be used when faced with an "imminent threat to life" is taken from domestic law enforcement, not from the laws of armed conflict. Just think of how ludicrous this claim is applied to the battlefield: it would render the United States, for example, guilty of war crimes for killing members of ISIS and al Qaeda in Syria and Afghanistan.

No matter. Ken Roth, the head of Human Rights Watch, tweets:

How do we know Ken Roth is wrong? Because Ken Roth says so. Here he is writing in a different context one year ago:

"In war, opposing combatants can be targeted and killed by virtue of their status as combatants, without regard to their conduct at that moment. … In peacetime, by contrast, law enforcement rules allow the use of lethal force only as a last resort to stop an imminent lethal threat."

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Making Up International Law For Fun and Sport

 

[Sixties Fan]

Dear People Who Think Israel is Wrong About Gaza,

Many of my own friends are among you; I truly want to know: How are you seeing something so different than what I see? Where does our understanding diverge?

Do you believe that we are wrong to defend our borders?

Or is it that you believe that thousands of people trying to breach the border with explosives, meat cleavers and other weapons and devices are ‘unarmed’?

Or do you not believe Hamas when they pay(!) people to get hurt or even killed in their malicious attempts to attack Israel?

Perhaps you are an expert in International Law and in the specific actions of the IDF so that you can accuse and convict an entire army and people of breaking international laws and conventions in their defensive actions done to protect not only their own lives but the lives of the families living as close as a mile from the mob that has their sights on them?

Or maybe you're a military strategist? What would you suggest be done when thousands of people incited to hate and KILL were trying to breach YOUR border with your own family huddled minutes away on foot? How would you manage to protect them from tens of thousands of violent armed rioters?


Are you an expert in your own country’s military strategies? Could you say with certainty that under the same circumstances there would not be many more casualties from a likely much more aggressive action?

Or perhaps you are seeing the violent rioters with machetes and explosives as peaceful protesters similar to those carrying signs and megaphones? How, may I ask, have you been able to understand something that IS as something that it absolutely isn’t?

Please tell me. Perhaps if I can understand the situation in the same alternate reality as you see it then I can join you in criticizing my country for doing whatever it can to protect me and my family.

Until then, I’ll just continue sharing the truth about Hamas and Gaza and I’d really appreciate it if you took the time to try and understand it too...

Laura Ben-David

Love of the Land: Dear People Who Think Israel is Wrong About Gaza - by Laura Ben-David

 

[Sixties Fan]

New weapon against rioters: 'The Choco Drone'

 

[Hollie]

The Islamic terrorist comedy network needs to better coordinate its programming efforts. Some of the caliphate’ists press the “Peaceful Tire Burning Riots” meme while others drool the gee-had party line.


SENIOR HAMAS OFFICIAL MAHMOUD AL-ZAHHAR ON GAZA PROTESTS: THIS IS NOT PEACEFUL RESISTANCE, IT IS SUPPORTED BY OUR WEAPONS

Senior Hamas Official Mahmoud Al-Zahhar on Gaza Protests: This Is Not Peaceful Resistance, It Is Supported by Our Weapons

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This is mostly wrong on several different levels.

What does all that have to do with my post?

(COMMENT)

And you don't even recognize the definitions of "occupation" and "sovereignty" when you see them.

Most Respectfully,
R

Occupations have a number of obligations and restriction. Israel violates virtually all of them. The invasion phase predates the occupation. Israel fits an invasion/colonial definition more so than an occupation.

Of course, no sovereignty is acquired there either.

(COMMENT)

The "Occupation Power" (Israel) cannot be held responsible for the prevention of accomplishments by actions undertaken directly by the "Occupied."

The "Occupation Power" (Israel) which takes measures in its power to restore and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, is not accountable for the purposefully provoked disorder by the "occupied" or the restrictions that are necessarily imposed because of disorder promoted by the "occupied."

A Breach of customary and IHL entitles a non-breaching "Occupation Power" (Israel) to damages (Reparation, Restitution and Settlements). However, a “material” breach by either party (Israeli/Arab Palestinian) excuses the other party from their responsibility towards the "occupied."

Breach of a contract entitles a non-breaching person to damages. However, a “material” breach by one party excuses the other party from his or her requirements under the contract.

The application of "invasion/colonial definition" is not quite understood and does not meet the intent of the assisting the movement for independence in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories as managed by the Committee 24 and the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples.

On a final note... It is by no means a given that the State of Israel even wants to assume the responsibility for the unproductive and unruly Arab Palestinians. The principle key is the establishment of secure and defensible borders to protect the territorial integrity and citizenry of the state.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sixties Fan]

[ Which prisoners is Hamas interested in having released this time ? ]

Earlier this month, the Haaretz daily reported that Hamas has repeatedly in recent months expressed willingness through several channels to enter into talks with Israel over a long-term ceasefire.

The report said that in return for such a truce, Hamas wants Israel to significantly ease the blockade over Gaza, approve large-scale infrastructure projects, and possibly agree to a prisoner swap deal.

Hamas, an Islamist terror group that seeks to destroy Israel, has made similar proposals in the past.

The reports follow several indications that Hamas is deeply divided as it seeks a way out of the dire situation in Gaza, where it seized power in 2007. The Strip faces an economic crisis, sanctions from the Ramallah-based Palestinian Authority, continued pressure from the Israeli-Egyptian security blockade, and rising internal unrest.

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Hamas says Israel rejected its offers for prisoner exchange deal

 

[Sixties Fan]

Of course, the primary mission was to prevent hundreds of thousands of Gazans from infiltrating into our territory. That kind of invasion would be perilous, mortally dangerous, to the nearby communities; would permit terrorists disguised as civilians to enter our kibbutz and moshav communities, and would leave us with no choice but to target every single infiltrator. That’s why our soldiers were directed to prevent infiltration, in a variety of ways, using live ammunition only as a last resort.

The IDF employs many creative means of reducing friction with Gazans and uses numerous methods, most of which are not made public, to prevent them from reaching the fence. In addition, over the past few weeks there have been serious efforts to save the lives of children and civilians who have been pushed to the front lines by the Hamas, who are trying to hide behind them in order to infiltrate and attack Israel.

When there is no alternative, and live ammunition must be used to stop those who storm the fence, the soldiers make heroic and sometimes dangerous efforts not to kill and to only injure those on the other side. The IDF stations senior commanders at every confrontation point to ensure that every shot is approved and backed up by a responsible figure with proper authority. Every staging area has an especially large number of troops in order to make sure that soldiers are not put into life-threatening situations where they will have no choice but to fire indiscriminately.




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I was at the Gaza border, we did all we could to avoid killing

 

[Sixties Fan]

TOI reports:

" Several homes in the Israeli city of Sderot were hit by machine gun fire, apparently fired by terrorists in the Gaza Strip, causing damage but no injuries, in one of three cross-border exchanges on Wednesday, the army said. According to the city of Sderot, the shots were aimed at an army aircraft that had been flying overhead, and the bullets struck the homes as they fell back down to earth."


The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, the "military wing" of Fatah which is headed by Palestinian dictator Mahmoud Abbas, takes credit for this - and doesn't mention anything about targeting aircraft. They claim that they shot at an Israeli patrol as well as the town of Sderot directly, calling it "an initial response to the massacre committed by the occupation against peaceful demonstrators in the eastern Gaza Strip."

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Mahmoud Abbas' "non-violent" Fatah claims responsibility for machine gun fire that hit Sderot ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Sixties Fan]

The baby was literally at the border fence at the time, taken by her 12-year old nephew towards his grandmother who was there.

Reliefweb is a UN-run website that says, "We provide reliable and timely information, enabling humanitarian workers to make informed decisions and to plan effective response. We collect and deliver key information, including the latest reports, maps and infographics from trusted sources."

One of their "trusted sources" is Islamic Relief, a UK-based NGO, which issued this statement reproduced on the UN site:

" Over 50 Palestinians have been killed in Israeli gunfire over the past few days, including an eight-month-old baby, and more than 2,700 people have been injured. The victims have been involved in largely peaceful protests near the Israeli border which have come under fire."

No one on the planet claims that the girl was shot - except a UK-based NGO with links to Hamas.

This is what the UN considers to be "reliable and timely information."

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UN site falsely claims Israel shot and killed 8 month old girl ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Sixties Fan]

Those same ‘useful idiots’ talk of the 2014 conflict in the same way also saying ‘Hamas won the PR war’. Yet Hamas have been scared to fire rockets ever since. The standing of Hamas has been devastated by the events of the last few years. Have you noticed how quiet the other Palestinians have been during this confrontation? Can you imagine this twenty years ago? The streets of Nablus and Jenin and East Jerusalem would have been burning in solidarity. They aren’t, because Hamas have already LOST the PR war where it matters. Hamas are left sending their forces to the border to cause trouble because they have no other option.

Israel is in the business of defending its citizens, Hamas and Hezbollah are in the business of killing Israeli citizens. So given the lack of casualties on both borders since the last major conflicts, Israel did what it set out to do. This I think was the best tweet of recent days:

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Gaza, Hamas and why I won't be criticising Israel today

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[Sixties Fan]

The Palestinian National and Islamic Forces Committee has called on residents of Judea, Samaria, and Gaza to confront “Israeli occupation forces” with violent demonstrations this Friday.

The riots are scheduled to take place immediately after Friday prayers. The Muslim month of Ramadan began Wednesday night.

The PNIF committee declared this coming Friday the “Friday of Loyalty to Martyrs”.

“The occupier knows that our land, which has been sown by the martyrs, will always be forbidden to [Israel],” the committee said in its announcement.

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Mass riots planned for Judea and Samaria Friday

 

[Sixties Fan]

In truth, as their organizers made plain from day one, the mass border protests are being mounted not against the “occupation” of Gaza, or the blockade on Gaza. For all the misreporting, they were planned and are being held with the undisguised goal of putting an end to the State of Israel, the world’s only Jewish state, whose legitimacy in any borders Hamas rejects. Hence the particularly large mobilization in outraged opposition to the legitimizing of Israeli Jerusalem as signified by the new US embassy; hence the particular resonance of Nakba day.

“March of Return.” It’s right there in the name. The people of Gaza are being mobilized by their terrorist rulers for a “return.” They are being assured by their leadership that this “return” is imminent. That their “homeland” will soon be restored. That the Nakba will be reversed. And that those of them who lose their lives in violence at the border in the cause of that “return” will find their place in paradise as martyrs to their divinely blessed struggle.

The world owes it to them to shatter this illusion. And there’s a straightforward means of doing so.

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World must tell Gaza’s Hamas-abused masses the truth: There will be no ‘return’