Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

No, I'm not.

You are ducking my post.

(COMMENT)

No matter what you think the Armistice Lines do, they are no more, having been replaced by negotiated Treaty Borders.

The Armistice Lines never applied to the Arab Palestinians, as the Arab Palestinians were never a party to the Armistice.

With the exception of the few Agreements [AGREEMENT ON THE GAZA STRIP AND THE JERICHO AREA (1994) and the Oslo Accords (1993 & 1995)] of the No "negotiated document" (with any state) can you raise, that outlines any Arab Palestinian Territory where the Arab Palestinian is the Sovereign Authority (not for the last thousand years).

I honestly try not to duck your posts. But I often have apprehension as to your questions.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians have never entered into a treaty ceding a defined territory or setting any international borders.

They were never in any position to do that.

Of course they are. Borders is a final status issue to be negotiated by the Palestinians.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

No, I'm not.

You are ducking my post.

(COMMENT)

No matter what you think the Armistice Lines do, they are no more, having been replaced by negotiated Treaty Borders.

The Armistice Lines never applied to the Arab Palestinians, as the Arab Palestinians were never a party to the Armistice.

With the exception of the few Agreements [AGREEMENT ON THE GAZA STRIP AND THE JERICHO AREA (1994) and the Oslo Accords (1993 & 1995)] of the No "negotiated document" (with any state) can you raise, that outlines any Arab Palestinian Territory where the Arab Palestinian is the Sovereign Authority (not for the last thousand years).

I honestly try not to duck your posts. But I often have apprehension as to your questions.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians have never entered into a treaty ceding a defined territory or setting any international borders.

They were never in any position to do that.

Of course they are. Borders is a final status issue to be negotiated by the Palestinians.

A phony attempt to re-write history.

 

[Hollie]

Arabs-Moslems have a long, lurid history with Nazi fascism.

Palestinians launch a SWASTIKA kite on Hitler's birthday during protests on the Israeli border, as female demonstrators begin the 'Women's March of Gaza'


Palestinians launch a SWASTIKA kite on Hitler's birthday | Daily Mail Online

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

How could you possibly know that? Are you clairvoyant or something?

Of course they are. Borders is a final status issue to be negotiated by the Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

Certainly, borders are an issue; but the priority of protocols have never been set. And to my knowledge, the six principle working groups under Article V (Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and cooperation with other neighbors) have not been established. Plus, the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), which has identified nine Article V (PERMANENT STATUS NEGOTIATIONS) Issues to be discussed as a priority for discussion actually lists "Borders" as the first item. However, an agenda list for a proposed Article V Negotiation Session has not been offered or accepted. All we know, at this time, is that the Negotiation Affairs Department (PLO-NAD) has stated that: "The delineation and demarcation of agreed-upon borders are central to reaching an end of conflict on the basis of the two-state solution."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

How could you possibly know that? Are you clairvoyant or something?

Of course they are. Borders is a final status issue to be negotiated by the Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

Certainly, borders are an issue; but the priority of protocols have never been set. And to my knowledge, the six principle working groups under Article V (Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and cooperation with other neighbors) have not been established. Plus, the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), which has identified nine Article V (PERMANENT STATUS NEGOTIATIONS) Issues to be discussed as a priority for discussion actually lists "Borders" as the first item. However, an agenda list for a proposed Article V Negotiation Session has not been offered or accepted. All we know, at this time, is that the Negotiation Affairs Department (PLO-NAD) has stated that: "The delineation and demarcation of agreed-upon borders are central to reaching an end of conflict on the basis of the two-state solution."

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians are the only ones with the authority to regulate their borders.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you have your terminology confused.

]The Palestinians are the only ones with the authority to regulate their borders.

(COMMENT)

Once the Arab Palestinians have established a perimeter (we call that a border) around their sovereignty (where they have exclusive governmental control) → THEN and only THEN → can they regulate border crossing criteria - or - as is normal - manage Immigration and naturalization (what you call "regulate" the border).

At that point, they have to decide if they are going to follow the various applicable International Conventions.

But the Arab Palestinians (with the possible exceptions of Area "A" and the Gaza Strip) have never established a perimeter that they can say encapsulates → their sovereignty.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you have your terminology confused.

]The Palestinians are the only ones with the authority to regulate their borders.

(COMMENT)

Once the Arab Palestinians have established a perimeter (we call that a border) around their sovereignty (where they have exclusive governmental control) → THEN and only THEN → can they regulate border crossing criteria - or - as is normal - manage Immigration and naturalization (what you call "regulate" the border).

At that point, they have to decide if they are going to follow the various applicable International Conventions.

But the Arab Palestinians (with the possible exceptions of Area "A" and the Gaza Strip) have never established a perimeter that they can say encapsulates → their sovereignty.

Most Respectfully,
R

You missed the point.

 

[Hollie]

You missed the point.

^^^^ c'mon, RoccoR. You knew that was coming.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The document later on referred to incendiary balloons as well, but only said that they were launched by "demonstrators" - which means civilians to them - and with no reference to such attacks being launched by armed groups.

The only problem is that Gaza terror groups happily brag about being the organizers of units to launch firebombs on balloons.

I already posted one video by Islamic Jihad about their balloon firebomb unit. They just posted another one, seemingly to mock the UNHRC report that effectively exonerated them.

The video also shows Islamic Jihad members engaging in the "demonstrations" making it very clear that from their perspective, these border riots are purely military.

The UNHRC bent over backwards to ignore any evidence that the demonstrations had a military component because then the rules that apply to them are the laws of armed conflict, quite different from the laws that govern police actions towards civilians.

(full article and video online)

Islamic Jihad releases another video of their balloon unit - that UNHRC claims is civilian ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Sixties Fan]

Hamas Terrorists Launch Non-Stop Barrage of Balloon Bombs into Israel

 

[Slyhunter]

Hamas Terrorists Launch Non-Stop Barrage of Balloon Bombs into Israel

Hit them back with Napalm.

 

[Billo_Really]

Hamas Terrorists Launch Non-Stop Barrage of Balloon Bombs into Israel

Maybe Israeli snipers shouldn't be shooting innocent women and children?

 

[rylah]

 

[rylah]

The 300$ were worth it...

 

[Mindful]

Hamas Terrorists Launch Non-Stop Barrage of Balloon Bombs into Israel

Maybe Israeli snipers shouldn't be shooting innocent women and children?

Are they?

 

[Hollie]

Hamas Terrorists Launch Non-Stop Barrage of Balloon Bombs into Israel

Maybe Israeli snipers shouldn't be shooting innocent women and children?

They're valuable as propaganda tools. Thats why they're at the islamic war zone. Dead martyrs walking.

 

[Hollie]

Islamic terrorists seem to believe that the gee-had is without consequence.

Islamic terrorists flying balloons are going to be at a disadvantage the the IDF flying F-15's.


Israel carries out fresh Hamas strikes over incendiary balloons

Israel carries out fresh Hamas strikes over incendiary balloons

Israel has struck targets in the Gaza Strip four times in the last few days each in response to either balloons or explosive devices hurled at the border fence (AFP Photo/JACK GUEZ)


Gaza City (Palestinian Territories) (AFP) - Israeli jets struck a Hamas military target in the Gaza Strip in retaliation for balloon-borne explosive devices late Tuesday, the army said, the fourth such strike in recent days.

 

[Hollie]

More fun and Islamo-games at the border gee-had.

Palestinian protestors clash with IDF forces along Gaza Strip border

WATCH: PALESTINIAN PROTESTORS CLASH WITH IDF FORCES ALONG SECURITY FORCE
By HAGAY HACOHEN

Palestinian protesters during March of Return Friday clashes with IDF forces MArch 8 2019 . (photo credit:" SOCIAL MEDIA)
Thousands of Palestinian protesters clashed with IDF forces on Friday throwing rocks and explosive devices. Two Palestinians breached the security fence and were arrested.

Thousands of Palestinians clashed with IDF forces on Friday afternoon during what they call 'March of Return,' IDF forces were assaulted with rocks and over 50 explosive devices.

15 attempts to breach the security fence were spotted. Roghly 8,000 Palestinians clashed with IDF forces in five different locations across the Gaza Strip Security Fence.

Palestinian protesters attempting to breach the security fence along the Gaza Strip during March of Return events March 8 2019 / Maariv


23 year old Tamer Haled Arafat man was shot dead and 42 Palestinians were injured from IDF sniper fire, including 15 children and two women, Palestinian Ministry of Health said.

The Ministry added that Mohammed abu Jazar, a paramedic working near Khan Yunis, was hit in the face with a 'gas bomb.' Three other paramedicas were also injured by tear gas the Ministry said.

Two reporters were also injured, the Ministry released on social media.

Two Palestinians breached the security fence and were able to cross over to the Israeli side where they were arrested by IDF forces and sent for further questioning. One hand-grenade and a knife were found on their person, IDF Spokesperson said.

Extensive IDF forces were placed on alert and Jewish communities near the location of the incident were alerted, Haaretz reported.

The protests today are the 50th in a series of Friday clashes that began when US President Donald Trump decided to move the US embassy to Jerusalem.

 

[Billo_Really]

Are they?

Don't be so obtuse.

 

[Billo_Really]

They're valuable as propaganda tools. Thats why they're at the islamic war zone. Dead martyrs walking.

This is not a war.