Palestinians: 10,000 years ago, since Abraham or since the Mandate for Palestine?

[MartyNYC]

I never said that they never lived in Palestine. I said the Arabs have been there since Abraham.. like the Canaanites and Natufians. Palestine was never exclusively Jewish.

Remember that Sargon 2 settled four Arab tribes in Samaria around 500 BC.

I never said that they never lived in Palestine. I said the Arabs have been there since Abraham.. like the Canaanites and Natufians. Palestine was never exclusively Jewish.

Remember that Sargon 2 settled four Arab tribes in Samaria around 500 BC.

Arab tribes date back to around 500 CE, according to Arab historians, about 2,500 years *after* Abraham. Arabs as a people are not ancient.

 

[surada]

Arab tribes date back to around 500 CE, according to Arab historians, about 2,500 years *after* Abraham. Arabs as a people are not ancient.

Nope. You are still trying to erase them.

The Real History Of The Name “Palestine”

The commonly cited story that the Romans renamed Israel "Palestine" after the Jews' longstanding enemy, the Philistines, is actually false.

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[Sixties Fan]

Arab tribes date back to around 500 CE, according to Arab historians, about 2,500 years *after* Abraham. Arabs as a people are not ancient.

I guess we can stop here. She has had her fun for another day of rewriting Jewish and Arab history.

Have a great day, Marty.

 

[surada]

Arab tribes date back to around 500 CE, according to Arab historians, about 2,500 years *after* Abraham. Arabs as a people are not ancient.

The Marsh Arabs migrated to Southern Iraq 6000 years ago from Eastern Arabia.

 

[surada]

I guess we can stop here. She has had her fun for another day of rewriting Jewish and Arab history.

Have a great day, Marty.

The Real History Of The Name “Palestine”

The commonly cited story that the Romans renamed Israel "Palestine" after the Jews' longstanding enemy, the Philistines, is actually false.

forward.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

Nope. You are still trying to erase them.

The Real History Of The Name “Palestine”

The commonly cited story that the Romans renamed Israel "Palestine" after the Jews' longstanding enemy, the Philistines, is actually false.

forward.com

No, the word Palestine was not COINED by the Romans, we all know that.

The Romans used the words Syria for the Assyrians, and Palestina for the PHilistines to rename Judea after the Bar Kochba defeat, because both people had defeated the Jewish people before the Romans.

That is all there is to that.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Real History Of The Name “Palestine”

The commonly cited story that the Romans renamed Israel "Palestine" after the Jews' longstanding enemy, the Philistines, is actually false.

forward.com

Enjoy Labor Day Surada

 

[surada]

The Real History Of The Name “Palestine”

The commonly cited story that the Romans renamed Israel "Palestine" after the Jews' longstanding enemy, the Philistines, is actually false.

forward.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Real History Of The Name “Palestine”

The commonly cited story that the Romans renamed Israel "Palestine" after the Jews' longstanding enemy, the Philistines, is actually false.

forward.com

You posted it. I answered.

Why won't you enjoy Labor Day?

 

[watchingfromafar]

The Jewish family tree

(Gen 30:25 KJV) And it came to pass, when Rachel had born Joseph.

In the Book of Exodus, Amram is the husband of Jochebed and father of Aaron, Moses and Miriam.
According to the Torah, the tribe is named after Levi, one of the twelve sons of Jacob (also called Israel). Levi had three sons: Gershon, Kohath, and Merari (Genesis 46:11). Kohath's son Amram was the father of Miriam, Aaron and Moses.

And Joseph is where I begin this unfolding story---
Joseph tells his followers to pack up and move to Egypt, leaving everything they had behind.

The Egyptian Pharaoh gave the Jews total control of Egypt.

All the Jewish people left Cannon and moved to Egypt where they ruled for a long time, until--- see the beginning of the Exodus below ---

(Gen 42:6 KJV) And Joseph was the governor over the land, and he it was that sold to all the people of the land:

(Gen 42:25 KJV) Then Joseph commanded to fill their sacks with corn, and to restore every man's money into his sack, and to give them provision for the way:
(Gen 45:20 KJV) Also regard not your stuff; for the good of all the land of Egypt is yours.
(Gen 45:21 KJV) And the children of Israel did so: and Joseph gave them wagons, according to the commandment of Pharaoh, and gave them provision for the way.
(Gen 47:1 KJV) Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father [ISRAEL] and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they are in the land of Goshen.
(Gen 47:3 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto his brethren, What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.
(Gen 47:4 KJV) They said moreover unto Pharaoh, For to sojourn in the land are we come; for thy servants have no pasture for their flocks; for the famine is sore in the land of Canaan: now therefore, we pray thee, let thy servants dwell in the land of Goshen.
(Gen 47:5 KJV) And Pharaoh spake unto Joseph, saying, Thy father [ISRAEL] and thy brethren are come unto thee:
(Gen 47:6 KJV) The land of Egypt is before thee; in the best of the land make thy father and brethren to dwell; in the land of Goshen let them dwell: and if thou knowest any men of activity among them, then make them rulers over my cattle.
(Gen 47:11 KJV) And Joseph placed his father [ISRAEL] and his brethren, and gave them a possession in the land of Egypt, in the best of the land, in the land of Rameses, as Pharaoh had commanded.

Then Moses murders a man in the street

1 One day, after Moses had grown up, he went out to where his own people were and watched them at their hard labor. He saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, one of his own people. 12 Glancing this way and that and seeing no one, he killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand. 13 The next day he went out and saw two Hebrews fighting. He asked the one in the wrong, "Why are you hitting your fellow Hebrew?"

Notice, at that time Hebrews and Egyptians were considered ONE

14 The man said, "Who made you ruler and judge over us? Are you thinking of killing me as you killed the Egyptian?" Then Moses was afraid and thought, "What I did must have become known."
15 When Pharaoh heard of this, he tried to kill Moses, but Moses fled from Pharaoh and went to live in Midian, where he sat down by a well. 16

This marks the great Exodus
-

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Jewish family tree

(Gen 30:25 KJV) And it came to pass, when Rachel had born Joseph.

In the Book of Exodus, Amram is the husband of Jochebed and father of Aaron, Moses and Miriam.
According to the Torah, the tribe is named after Levi, one of the twelve sons of Jacob (also called Israel). Levi had three sons: Gershon, Kohath, and Merari (Genesis 46:11). Kohath's son Amram was the father of Miriam, Aaron and Moses.

And Joseph is where I begin this unfolding story---
Joseph tells his followers to pack up and move to Egypt, leaving everything they had behind.

The Egyptian Pharaoh gave the Jews total control of Egypt.

All the Jewish people left Cannon and moved to Egypt where they ruled for a long time, until--- see the beginning of the Exodus below ---

(Gen 42:6 KJV) And Joseph was the governor over the land, and he it was that sold to all the people of the land:

(Gen 42:25 KJV) Then Joseph commanded to fill their sacks with corn, and to restore every man's money into his sack, and to give them provision for the way:
(Gen 45:20 KJV) Also regard not your stuff; for the good of all the land of Egypt is yours.
(Gen 45:21 KJV) And the children of Israel did so: and Joseph gave them wagons, according to the commandment of Pharaoh, and gave them provision for the way.
(Gen 47:1 KJV) Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father [ISRAEL] and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they are in the land of Goshen.
(Gen 47:3 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto his brethren, What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.
(Gen 47:4 KJV) They said moreover unto Pharaoh, For to sojourn in the land are we come; for thy servants have no pasture for their flocks; for the famine is sore in the land of Canaan: now therefore, we pray thee, let thy servants dwell in the land of Goshen.
(Gen 47:5 KJV) And Pharaoh spake unto Joseph, saying, Thy father [ISRAEL] and thy brethren are come unto thee:
(Gen 47:6 KJV) The land of Egypt is before thee; in the best of the land make thy father and brethren to dwell; in the land of Goshen let them dwell: and if thou knowest any men of activity among them, then make them rulers over my cattle.
(Gen 47:11 KJV) And Joseph placed his father [ISRAEL] and his brethren, and gave them a possession in the land of Egypt, in the best of the land, in the land of Rameses, as Pharaoh had commanded.

Then Moses murders a man in the street

1 One day, after Moses had grown up, he went out to where his own people were and watched them at their hard labor. He saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, one of his own people. 12 Glancing this way and that and seeing no one, he killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand. 13 The next day he went out and saw two Hebrews fighting. He asked the one in the wrong, "Why are you hitting your fellow Hebrew?"

Notice, at that time Hebrews and Egyptians were considered ONE

14 The man said, "Who made you ruler and judge over us? Are you thinking of killing me as you killed the Egyptian?" Then Moses was afraid and thought, "What I did must have become known."
15 When Pharaoh heard of this, he tried to kill Moses, but Moses fled from Pharaoh and went to live in Midian, where he sat down by a well. 16

This marks the great Exodus
-

"Notice, at that time Hebrews and Egyptians were considered ONE"

The delusions of a delusional hater of Israel.

What else do you have ? Oh, Nothing. Right.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nur is not a proper historian. His book is discredited.

Nur Masalha Palestine /AUDIOBOOK​

 

[MartyNYC]

Nur Masalha Palestine /AUDIOBOOK​

Nur is not a historian.

 

[surada]

The Jewish family tree

(Gen 30:25 KJV) And it came to pass, when Rachel had born Joseph.

In the Book of Exodus, Amram is the husband of Jochebed and father of Aaron, Moses and Miriam.
According to the Torah, the tribe is named after Levi, one of the twelve sons of Jacob (also called Israel). Levi had three sons: Gershon, Kohath, and Merari (Genesis 46:11). Kohath's son Amram was the father of Miriam, Aaron and Moses.

And Joseph is where I begin this unfolding story---
Joseph tells his followers to pack up and move to Egypt, leaving everything they had behind.

The Egyptian Pharaoh gave the Jews total control of Egypt.

All the Jewish people left Cannon and moved to Egypt where they ruled for a long time, until--- see the beginning of the Exodus below ---

(Gen 42:6 KJV) And Joseph was the governor over the land, and he it was that sold to all the people of the land:

(Gen 42:25 KJV) Then Joseph commanded to fill their sacks with corn, and to restore every man's money into his sack, and to give them provision for the way:
(Gen 45:20 KJV) Also regard not your stuff; for the good of all the land of Egypt is yours.
(Gen 45:21 KJV) And the children of Israel did so: and Joseph gave them wagons, according to the commandment of Pharaoh, and gave them provision for the way.
(Gen 47:1 KJV) Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father [ISRAEL] and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they are in the land of Goshen.
(Gen 47:3 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto his brethren, What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.
(Gen 47:4 KJV) They said moreover unto Pharaoh, For to sojourn in the land are we come; for thy servants have no pasture for their flocks; for the famine is sore in the land of Canaan: now therefore, we pray thee, let thy servants dwell in the land of Goshen.
(Gen 47:5 KJV) And Pharaoh spake unto Joseph, saying, Thy father [ISRAEL] and thy brethren are come unto thee:
(Gen 47:6 KJV) The land of Egypt is before thee; in the best of the land make thy father and brethren to dwell; in the land of Goshen let them dwell: and if thou knowest any men of activity among them, then make them rulers over my cattle.
(Gen 47:11 KJV) And Joseph placed his father [ISRAEL] and his brethren, and gave them a possession in the land of Egypt, in the best of the land, in the land of Rameses, as Pharaoh had commanded.

Then Moses murders a man in the street

1 One day, after Moses had grown up, he went out to where his own people were and watched them at their hard labor. He saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, one of his own people. 12 Glancing this way and that and seeing no one, he killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand. 13 The next day he went out and saw two Hebrews fighting. He asked the one in the wrong, "Why are you hitting your fellow Hebrew?"

Notice, at that time Hebrews and Egyptians were considered ONE

14 The man said, "Who made you ruler and judge over us? Are you thinking of killing me as you killed the Egyptian?" Then Moses was afraid and thought, "What I did must have become known."
15 When Pharaoh heard of this, he tried to kill Moses, but Moses fled from Pharaoh and went to live in Midian, where he sat down by a well. 16

This marks the great Exodus
-

Wagons across Sinai?

 

[surada]

"Notice, at that time Hebrews and Egyptians were considered ONE"

The delusions of a delusional hater of Israel.

What else do you have ? Oh, Nothing. Right.

Egypt controlled Sinai and Canaan at the time of the Exodus. There were Egyptian garrisons guarding the Canaanite towns in Sinai. They were prosperous and paid tribute to Pharaoh.

 

[MartyNYC]

Egypt controlled Sinai and Canaan at the time of the Exodus. There were Egyptian garrisons guarding the Canaanite towns in Sinai. They were prosperous and paid tribute to Pharaoh.

Egyptians were not Arabs.

 

[surada]

Egyptians were not Arabs.

That's true. Egyptians weren't Arabs. What does that have to do with the Exodus story?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nur is not a historian.

Nur-eldeen (Nur) Masalha (Arabic: نور مصالحة Nūr Maṣālḥa; born 4 January 1957) is a Palestinian writer and academic.[1]

He is a historian of Palestine and formerly professor of religion and politics and director of the Centre for Religion and History and the Holy Land Research Project at St. Mary's University. He was also programme director of the MA in Religion, Politics and Conflict Resolution at St Mary's University (2005–2015).

He is currently member of the Centre for Palestine Studies, London Middle East Institute, School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London. He is also currently member of the Centre for the Philosophy of History, St. Mary's University.

He was professorial research associate, Department of History, SOAS (University of London), 2009–2015. He was also a member of the Kuwait Programme, Department of Government, London School of Economics (monograph, with Stephanie Cronin, on ‘The Islamic Republic of Iran and the GCC States: From Revolution to Realpolitik?).

He is also the editor of Journal of Holy Land and Palestine Studies (formerly Holy Land Studies: A Multidisciplinary Journal), published by Edinburgh University Press, and the author of many books on Palestine-Israel, including Theologies of Liberation in Palestine-Israel: Indigenous, Contextual, and Postcolonial Perspectives (2014), The Zionist Bible: Biblical Precedent, Colonialism and the Erasure of Memory (2013), The Palestine Nakba: Decolonising History, Narrating the Subaltern, Reclaiming Memory (January 2012), The Bible and Zionism: Invented Traditions, Archaeology and Post-Colonialism in Palestine-Israel (2007), Catastrophe Remembered (2005), A Land Without a People (1997), Expulsion of the Palestinians: The Concept of "Transfer" in Zionist Political Thought, 1882–1948 (1992), Imperial Israel and the Palestinians: The Politics of Expansion (2000) and The Politics of Denial: Israel and the Palestinian Refugee Problem (2003).[2] Nur Masalha also sits on the editorial board of Janus Unbound: Journal of Critical Studies whose inaugural issue[3] on Palestine he describes as a "major achievement."[4]

Masalha has also served as an honorary fellow in the Centre for Middle Eastern and Islamic Studies, Durham University; research associate in the Department of Law at the School of Oriental and African Studies; and has taught at Birzeit University in Ramallah, West Bank.

Masalha is also the historian commentator in the award–winning, documentary film La Terre Parle Arabe [the Land Speaks Arabic] (2007), directed by Maryse Gargour, which tells the story of the background and build-up to the expulsion and flight of the Palestinian Arabs in 1948 from the newly created State of Israel.
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And you?

 

[Hollie]

Nur-eldeen (Nur) Masalha (Arabic: نور مصالحة Nūr Maṣālḥa; born 4 January 1957) is a Palestinian writer and academic.[1]

He is a historian of Palestine and formerly professor of religion and politics and director of the Centre for Religion and History and the Holy Land Research Project at St. Mary's University. He was also programme director of the MA in Religion, Politics and Conflict Resolution at St Mary's University (2005–2015).

He is currently member of the Centre for Palestine Studies, London Middle East Institute, School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London. He is also currently member of the Centre for the Philosophy of History, St. Mary's University.

He was professorial research associate, Department of History, SOAS (University of London), 2009–2015. He was also a member of the Kuwait Programme, Department of Government, London School of Economics (monograph, with Stephanie Cronin, on ‘The Islamic Republic of Iran and the GCC States: From Revolution to Realpolitik?).

He is also the editor of Journal of Holy Land and Palestine Studies (formerly Holy Land Studies: A Multidisciplinary Journal), published by Edinburgh University Press, and the author of many books on Palestine-Israel, including Theologies of Liberation in Palestine-Israel: Indigenous, Contextual, and Postcolonial Perspectives (2014), The Zionist Bible: Biblical Precedent, Colonialism and the Erasure of Memory (2013), The Palestine Nakba: Decolonising History, Narrating the Subaltern, Reclaiming Memory (January 2012), The Bible and Zionism: Invented Traditions, Archaeology and Post-Colonialism in Palestine-Israel (2007), Catastrophe Remembered (2005), A Land Without a People (1997), Expulsion of the Palestinians: The Concept of "Transfer" in Zionist Political Thought, 1882–1948 (1992), Imperial Israel and the Palestinians: The Politics of Expansion (2000) and The Politics of Denial: Israel and the Palestinian Refugee Problem (2003).[2] Nur Masalha also sits on the editorial board of Janus Unbound: Journal of Critical Studies whose inaugural issue[3] on Palestine he describes as a "major achievement."[4]

Masalha has also served as an honorary fellow in the Centre for Middle Eastern and Islamic Studies, Durham University; research associate in the Department of Law at the School of Oriental and African Studies; and has taught at Birzeit University in Ramallah, West Bank.

Masalha is also the historian commentator in the award–winning, documentary film La Terre Parle Arabe [the Land Speaks Arabic] (2007), directed by Maryse Gargour, which tells the story of the background and build-up to the expulsion and flight of the Palestinian Arabs in 1948 from the newly created State of Israel.
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And you?

Nur studies history as far back as the late 1960's when Arafat invented Pal'istanians?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nur studies history as far back as the late 1960's when Arafat invented Pal'istanians?

Your illiteracy is noted.