Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.

[P F Tinmore]

Well, the territory to which we are referring, the Territory to which the Mandate Applied, was sovereign to the Ottoman Empire for nearly 800 years before the Ottoman/Turkish Republic renounces all rights and title to the Allied Powers.

Not true. The territories were transferred to the new states.

 

[Hollie]

NO! Nothing of the sort. After the Termination of the Mandate, what territory was not held by the State of Israel, was held by components of the Arab League.

The Mandates had no territory. Whether the Mandate was there or not has no bearing on territory. So whose territory do you believe it was during thr Mandate period?

That comment has been addressed more times than I can recall.

How is it possible you still don't understand?

Dancing is not a refute.

I never used the term refute. You seem befuddled to learn that your comment has been addressed more times than I can remember. I sense that you confuse answers you have been given with comments you later make that are not associated with those answers.

Is that why you repeatedly make the same comment even though it has been addressed many times?

 

[Hollie]

Well, the territory to which we are referring, the Territory to which the Mandate Applied, was sovereign to the Ottoman Empire for nearly 800 years before the Ottoman/Turkish Republic renounces all rights and title to the Allied Powers.

Not true. The territories were transferred to the new states.

New states?

You still can't identify those ''new states''.

Why make the same nonsense claim?

You're dancing.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Arab Palestinian Existence
⁜→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, et al,

BLUF: You are really getting entangled in the terminology.

NO! Nothing of the sort. After the Termination of the Mandate, what territory was not held by the State of Israel, was held by components of the Arab League.

The Mandates had no territory. Whether the Mandate was there or not has no bearing on territory. So whose territory do you believe it was during thr Mandate period?

(COMMENT)

You drone on and on about the fact that "the Mandates had no territory." Everybody get that. No I want to make this absolutely clear. The Rights and title to the territory were renounced and taken by the Allied Powers. The territory was in the hands of the Allied Powers. THE ARAB PALESTINIAN HAD NO TERRITORY. So you can step down off that horse and get back on the topic and its realities. Everyone understands your little nuance.

This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."
The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.
SOURCE: The Palestine Order in Council

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them;
SOURCE: MANDATE FOR PALESTINE

One further point: When the Mandatory Power invited the Arab Palestinian to participate in the establishment of self-governing institutions, there was a resounding "NO" for the Arab Palestinians. So, the Arab Palestinians shot themselves in the foot.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

Well, the territory to which we are referring, the Territory to which the Mandate Applied, was sovereign to the Ottoman Empire for nearly 800 years before the Ottoman/Turkish Republic renounces all rights and title to the Allied Powers.

Not true. The territories were transferred to the new states.

So.. the territories were transferred to Israel as a ''new state''?

Is that the realization you can't come to grips with?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Arab Palestinian Existence
⁜→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, et al,

BLUF: While the French Mandate already had states outline, the British Mandate did not.

Well, the territory to which we are referring, the Territory to which the Mandate Applied, was sovereign to the Ottoman Empire for nearly 800 years before the Ottoman/Turkish Republic renounces all rights and title to the Allied Powers.

Not true. The territories were transferred to the new states.

(COMMENT)

Again, with Article 30 and Nationality.

Article 30 has nothing to do with the distribution of territory. Nothing at all. The Article says that however, the Allied Powers apportion the land, those people living in those apportions will assume that nationality.

You keep bringing this up, knowing that your interpretation of what it says is wrong. Article 16 Territorial is the driving force (the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned). The Arab Palestinians were not a party to the treaty.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

After the termination of the Mandate, Palestine (the territory to which the Mandate Applied) continue to be a legal entity. Why? (RHETORICAL) It will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing.

When the Mandate left the UN ducked out. What then would be Palestine's status? Does that mean that Palestine was up for grabs?

Links please.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Well, the territory to which we are referring, the Territory to which the Mandate Applied, was sovereign to the Ottoman Empire for nearly 800 years before the Ottoman/Turkish Republic renounces all rights and title to the Allied Powers.

Not true. The territories were transferred to the new states.

So.. the territories were transferred to Israel as a ''new state''?

Is that the realization you can't come to grips with?

Links?

 

[P F Tinmore]

(the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned).

The parties concerned were not defined. So who were the parties concerned? The Allied parties who claimed no sovereignty, or the residents who had citizenship in the territory?

 

[Hollie]

Well, the territory to which we are referring, the Territory to which the Mandate Applied, was sovereign to the Ottoman Empire for nearly 800 years before the Ottoman/Turkish Republic renounces all rights and title to the Allied Powers.

Not true. The territories were transferred to the new states.

So.. the territories were transferred to Israel as a ''new state''?

Is that the realization you can't come to grips with?

Links?

Links for what?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Well, the territory to which we are referring, the Territory to which the Mandate Applied, was sovereign to the Ottoman Empire for nearly 800 years before the Ottoman/Turkish Republic renounces all rights and title to the Allied Powers.

Not true. The territories were transferred to the new states.

So.. the territories were transferred to Israel as a ''new state''?

Is that the realization you can't come to grips with?

Links?

Links for what?

So.. the territories were transferred to Israel as a ''new state''?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The IHRA Definition & the Fight Against Antisemitism: Opportunities & Struggles for Progressive Jews

 

[Hollie]

Well, the territory to which we are referring, the Territory to which the Mandate Applied, was sovereign to the Ottoman Empire for nearly 800 years before the Ottoman/Turkish Republic renounces all rights and title to the Allied Powers.

Not true. The territories were transferred to the new states.

So.. the territories were transferred to Israel as a ''new state''?

Is that the realization you can't come to grips with?

Links?

Links for what?

So.. the territories were transferred to Israel as a ''new state''?

Is that correct?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Well, the territory to which we are referring, the Territory to which the Mandate Applied, was sovereign to the Ottoman Empire for nearly 800 years before the Ottoman/Turkish Republic renounces all rights and title to the Allied Powers.

Not true. The territories were transferred to the new states.

So.. the territories were transferred to Israel as a ''new state''?

Is that the realization you can't come to grips with?

Links?

Links for what?

So.. the territories were transferred to Israel as a ''new state''?

Is that correct?

I haven't seen anything that says that.

 

[Hollie]

Well, the territory to which we are referring, the Territory to which the Mandate Applied, was sovereign to the Ottoman Empire for nearly 800 years before the Ottoman/Turkish Republic renounces all rights and title to the Allied Powers.

Not true. The territories were transferred to the new states.

So.. the territories were transferred to Israel as a ''new state''?

Is that the realization you can't come to grips with?

Links?

Links for what?

So.. the territories were transferred to Israel as a ''new state''?

Is that correct?

I haven't seen anything that says that.

You wrote in post 1141: “The territories were transferred to the new states”.

What “new states”?

Note: this is where you disappear for several pages because your nonsense claim is indefensible.

So, then, we can agree that the “new states” created by the Treaty of Lausanne included the State of Israel?

Note: your Islamo-dancing shoes are over there ——>

 

[Hollie]

Well, the territory to which we are referring, the Territory to which the Mandate Applied, was sovereign to the Ottoman Empire for nearly 800 years before the Ottoman/Turkish Republic renounces all rights and title to the Allied Powers.

Not true. The territories were transferred to the new states.

What “new states”?

Why do you duck, dodge, dance then disappear whenever you’re tasked with supporting your Treaty of Lausanne conspiracy theory?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Well, the territory to which we are referring, the Territory to which the Mandate Applied, was sovereign to the Ottoman Empire for nearly 800 years before the Ottoman/Turkish Republic renounces all rights and title to the Allied Powers.

Not true. The territories were transferred to the new states.

What “new states”?

Why do you duck, dodge, dance then disappear whenever you’re tasked with supporting your Treaty of Lausanne conspiracy theory?

Why do you post here when you know so little? The creation of the current Middle East and you are clueless. You believe that I don't know anything yet you come to me for information.

 

[rylah]

Well, the territory to which we are referring, the Territory to which the Mandate Applied, was sovereign to the Ottoman Empire for nearly 800 years before the Ottoman/Turkish Republic renounces all rights and title to the Allied Powers.

Not true. The territories were transferred to the new states.

What “new states”?

Why do you duck, dodge, dance then disappear whenever you’re tasked with supporting your Treaty of Lausanne conspiracy theory?

Why do you post here when you know so little? The creation of the current Middle East and you are clueless. You believe that I don't know anything yet you come to me for information.

So you can't answer his question,
and instead bang about how much you know?

Boy...anti-Israel activists are so DESPERATELY stupid...

 

[rylah]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Arab Palestinian Threat
⁜→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, et al,

BLUF: A matter of perception...

WOW, a whole room of people pounding on the symptoms and not one looking at the problems.

(COMMENT)

Are → what you call symptoms - really the disease? I think you might have it backward.

When the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HAMAS) condemns Israel's participation in a security conference in Bahrain, is that really a symptom or is that the disease that causes the war to continue?

When Fatah says: "Murdering children is "legitimate human struggle" - when killer is Palestinian and victims are Israelis," is that not the symptom that causes the conflict to expand?

When PA officials say: "Jews have ‘no right to pray’ at Western Wall." Is that not a deliberate and inflammatory remark?

When Palestinian Arab Official Admits that “Killing Israelis is not Terror, it’s Legitimate,” is that not the incitement factor for hostile action?

The Palestinians do not opperate outside their own borders and they do not target Americans.

(COMMENT)

IF the Arab Palestinians THEN they are aggressively conduction operations against foreign sovereignty.

(Palestine borders are questionable. By no means are they a sovereign power. The question of whether or not they are a stand-alone government is up for debate.)

IF they claim that Israel is inside Palestine, THEN Palestine is in a state of a "Civil War" and not a foreign occupation. You cannot have it both ways. Either Israel is sovereign and its forces are not a foreign occupation, - or - Israel is sovereign and Hostile Arab Palestinian operations against Israel is an act of aggression.

In March 1978, a Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) Jihadist (Fatah faction) Dalal Mughrabi killed the niece of Senator Abraham Ribicoff (D-Connecticut). And later on the same terrorist operation, they stopped and killed 24 adults and 12 children on the Coast Road bus. I mention is particular incident because JUST TODAY - the Hostile Arab Palestinians:

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(June 15, 2020 / JNS) A music video aired on official Palestinian Authority television in June included images of terrorists, including Dalal Mughrabi, who together with others murdered 37 Israelis, among them 12 children, in 1978, according to an Israel-based media watchdog. ​

SOURCE: Veneration Video​

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A Mail on Sunday investigation has found 24 schools named after Palestinian terrorists and evidence of widespread encouragement of violence against Israel by teachers, with terrorists routinely held up as heroes for schoolchildren.​

Pictures of ‘martyrs’ are posted on school walls, revolutionary slogans and symbols are painted on premises used by youngsters, sports events are named after teenage terrorists and children are encouraged to act out shooting Israeli soldiers in plays.​

SOURCE: Daily Mail​

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Most Respectfully,
R

IF they claim that Israel is inside Palestine, THEN Palestine is in a state of a "Civil War" and not a foreign occupation.

The concept of Israel was foreign. The founders were foreign. The population was foreign. Its financing was foreign. Its political cover was foreign.

There is nothing "local" about Israel.

Oh really?

Sorry to burst your bubble,
but was it foreign you were sayin'...

And if already discussing -

then what is "local" about Palestine,
if Israelis and Palestinians came from the same countries?

So, Palestine was named in Hebrew?

Interesting.

Palestinian - simply means 'invader' in the local languages,
to which Arabic, by the way, is foreign.

Indeed interesting, don't you think,
that those who make most noise calling everyone else foreigners,
themselves demand to be called exactly by that name in the local language?

 

[Hollie]

Well, the territory to which we are referring, the Territory to which the Mandate Applied, was sovereign to the Ottoman Empire for nearly 800 years before the Ottoman/Turkish Republic renounces all rights and title to the Allied Powers.

Not true. The territories were transferred to the new states.

What “new states”?

Why do you duck, dodge, dance then disappear whenever you’re tasked with supporting your Treaty of Lausanne conspiracy theory?

Why do you post here when you know so little? The creation of the current Middle East and you are clueless. You believe that I don't know anything yet you come to me for information.

I’m coming to you for information, yes. I’m coming to you for information about some unidentified “new states” you carry on about, (knowing no “new states” were created by the Treaty of Lausanne), which is why you cannot name, identify or locate those “new states”.

link?

Indeed, what “new states”? Link?

Indeed, have you forgotten that you wrote in post 1141, link?

“The territories were transferred to the new states.”

Indeed?

Indeed, what “new states”? Link?