Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.

[Hollie]

I will preemptively (and graciously), post P F Tinmore's response to the above:

 

[P F Tinmore]

How Can We Achieve Liberation For All?​

Jeremy Corbyn and Dr. Yara Hawari

 

[Hollie]

How Can We Achieve Liberation For All?​

Jeremy Corbyn and Dr. Yara Hawari

Anything yet on sovereign territory held by the Pallys?

Link?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Anything yet on sovereign territory held by the Pallys?

Link?

Palestine's international borders have not changed since 1924.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[rylah]

Who prevents them from returning to Saudia and Egypt?

They choose Vodka in the Great Satan...

 

[rylah]

Palestine's international borders have not changed since 1924.

Entitled to re-constitute who's national sovereignty, has that changed?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Re-framing the Narrative for Palestinian Rights and Justice​

 

[Hollie]

Palestine's international borders have not changed since 1924.

Your retreating to your silly conspiracy theory about the Treaty of Lausanne inventing the ''country of Pal'istan'' and some imagined ''new states''.

1. Provide the exact citation in the Treaty of Lausanne where the ''country of Pal'istan'' is invented.

2. Identify the ''new states'' invented.

3. Identify any sovereign territory held by the Pally's.

4. Your usual tactics of denial, deflection and embarrassing gaffes are a decade old now.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: The Palestinians have never ceded territory or sovereignty to anyone.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The first is a case of disinformation (deception). The second case is an attempt at changing the question from what it was when the original decisions were made by the Allied Powers, through to a time in which the Treaties between Israel and the Arab nations of Egypt and Jordan were adopted.

Palestine's international borders have not changed since 1924.

(COMMENT)
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The deception here is a Case of the Country that was not there.

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Yesterday, upon the stair,
I met a Palestinian who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish, I wish he'd go away...

An adaptation of a Poem by;
.....................Hughes Mearns
​

Although the phrase "Palestine's international borders" are in standard English and no interpretation is required, the word "Palestine" was not a country between 1917 and 1948. It was a legal entity.
The name "Palestine," between 1998 and 2012, was the designation used in place of the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" (PLO).

Even the simplest of questions (who is a Palestinian) becomes complicated because the status of Palestine was not a country until A/RES/67/19 (Status of Palestine) when:

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1. Reaffirms the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967;​

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2. Decides to accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations, without prejudice to the acquired rights, privileges and role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people, in accordance with the relevant resolutions and practice;​

SOURCE: A/RES/67/19​

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The Palestinian People did not exercise any self-determination at any time between 1967 and 2012.

Today, the only place where the Arab Palestinians can claim "sovereignty" is the Gaza Strip since 2005 (by default on the Israeli unilateral withdrawal) and Area "A" of the West Bank (by agreement of the PLO in the Oslo Accords → sole representative of the Palestinian People).

◈ Area "A" is a Dictatorship under PLO (Fatah) Control. ​

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◈ The Gaza Strip is a Dictatorship under the control of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS).​

Re-framing the Narrative for Palestinian Rights and Justice​

(COMMENT)
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This is necessary because the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) does not actually present international law in their favor. The CCPR only went into force in March 1976.

◈ The CCPR was not in force during the Six-Day War.​

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◈ There was no Palestinian Government in 1988 when (by default) the control of the West Bank and Jerusalem fell into Israeli hands.​

This "re-framing" or replacing the framework, is a sleight of hand. Again, this is to entertain the activities of the Hostile Arab Palestinians, pro-Arab Palestinian associates, and the anti-Israel advocates. But it is like me reducing the Speed Limit on your street today and then claiming you were speeding yesterday. Or, changing the graduation criterion today for a degree you earned years ago, and then recalling your degree. Re-framing the narrative is a desperate measure for holding a losing position.
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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: The Palestinians have never ceded territory or sovereignty to anyone.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The first is a case of disinformation (deception). The second case is an attempt at changing the question from what it was when the original decisions were made by the Allied Powers, through to a time in which the Treaties between Israel and the Arab nations of Egypt and Jordan were adopted.


(COMMENT)
.
The deception here is a Case of the Country that was not there.

Yesterday, upon the stair,
I met a Palestinian who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish, I wish he'd go away...

An adaptation of a Poem by;
.....................Hughes Mearns
​

Although the phrase "Palestine's international borders" are in standard English and no interpretation is required, the word "Palestine" was not a country between 1917 and 1948. It was a legal entity.
The name "Palestine," between 1998 and 2012, was the designation used in place of the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" (PLO).

Even the simplest of questions (who is a Palestinian) becomes complicated because the status of Palestine was not a country until A/RES/67/19 (Status of Palestine) when:

​

​

The Palestinian People did not exercise any self-determination at any time between 1967 and 2012.

Today, the only place where the Arab Palestinians can claim "sovereignty" is the Gaza Strip since 2005 (by default on the Israeli unilateral withdrawal) and Area "A" of the West Bank (by agreement of the PLO in the Oslo Accords → sole representative of the Palestinian People).

◈ Area "A" is a Dictatorship under PLO (Fatah) Control. ​

​

◈ The Gaza Strip is a Dictatorship under the control of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS).​

(COMMENT)
.
This is necessary because the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR) does not actually present international law in their favor. The CCPR only went into force in March 1976.

◈ The CCPR was not in force during the Six-Day War.​

​

◈ There was no Palestinian Government in 1988 when (by default) the control of the West Bank and Jerusalem fell into Israeli hands.​

This "re-framing" or replacing the framework, is a sleight of hand. Again, this is to entertain the activities of the Hostile Arab Palestinians, pro-Arab Palestinian associates, and the anti-Israel advocates. But it is like me reducing the Speed Limit on your street today and then claiming you were speeding yesterday. Or, changing the graduation criterion today for a degree you earned years ago, and then recalling your degree. Re-framing the narrative is a desperate measure for holding a losing position.
.

Most Respectfully,
R

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”

Definition: A legal entity is an individual or group that has legal rights and duties related to contracts, agreements, payments, transactions, obligations, penalties and sues. The term applies to any kind of organization formally constituted according to the particular set of laws governing the country.

 

[USAF 2023]

Palestine's international borders have not changed since 1924.

I thought the prior post was " Liberation for all?" lol

 

[USAF 2023]

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Poor Tinmore. This must be the first thing he thinks about in the morning and thr last thing before he goes to bed

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: The Palestinians have never ceded territory or sovereignty to anyone.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This is yet another example of the Reading Comprehension Problem - or - intentional deception.

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

(COMMENT)

Article 30 in the Treaty of Lausanne is the legal foundation for the British to operate and grant citizenship to the Administrative Government of Palestine (actually all the Mandates). It has nothing whatsoever to do with territorial disposition.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

Ref: The 1925 Citizenship Order...

Part III - Para 7. (1) The High Commissioner may grant a certificate of naturalisation as a Palestinian citizen to any person who makes application therefor and who satisfies him.

Part III - Para 7. (3) The granting of a certificate of naturalisation shall be in the absolute discretion of the High Commissioner, who may with or without assigning any reason give or withhold the certificate as he thinks most conducive to the public good; and no appeal shall lie from his decision.

The Citizenship Order was not granting citizenship to a country, but to a legal entity (not independently governed by Palestinians).

Definition:A legal entity is an individual or group that has legal rights and duties related to contracts, agreements, payments, transactions, obligations, penalties and sues. The term applies to any kind of organization formally constituted according to the particular set of laws governing the country.

(COMMENT)

Once again, this is Reading Comprehension Problem - or - Intentional Deception.

LEGAL MEANING OF THE “TERMINATION OF THE MANDATE” • Memorandum "A" • 25 February 1948 • Excerpt

Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom), who is entirely responsible both for its internal administration and for its foreign affairs.​

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After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.​

I lean toward you trying to be deliberate deception.

If you read the entire definition you present, you will notice that it says: "according to the particular set of laws governing the country."

The British Government bent over backward trying to make it clear that there was no sovereign state of Palestine. They could not possibly have made is more clear. This Memorandum was released to the media in its entirety.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:



The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:



Definition: A legal entity is an individual or group that has legal rights and duties related to contracts, agreements, payments, transactions, obligations, penalties and sues. The term applies to any kind of organization formally constituted according to the particular set of laws governing the country.

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:



The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:



Definition: A legal entity is an individual or group that has legal rights and duties related to contracts, agreements, payments, transactions, obligations, penalties and sues. The term applies to any kind of organization formally constituted according to the particular set of laws governing the country.

The above is the same collection of snippets you have cut and pasted for a decade now, not understanding what you cut and paste.

Let's try again, shall we?

1. Provide the exact citation in the Treaty of Lausanne where the ''country of Pal'istan'' is invented.

2. Identify the ''new states'' invented.

3. Identify any sovereign territory held by the Pally's.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The British Government bent over backward trying to make it clear that there was no sovereign state of Palestine.

Does a foreign colonial power have the authority to make that decision? Remember that a Mandate had no land or sovereignty.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Part III - Para 7. (1) The High Commissioner may grant a certificate of naturalisation as a Palestinian citizen to any person who makes application therefor and who satisfies him.

That only applied to settlers. All Palestinians got automatic citizenship.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The above is the same collection of snippets you have cut and pasted for a decade now, not understanding what you cut and paste.

Let's try again, shall we?

1. Provide the exact citation in the Treaty of Lausanne where the ''country of Pal'istan'' is invented.

2. Identify the ''new states'' invented.

3. Identify any sovereign territory held by the Pally's.

That was highlighted in my post.

 

[P F Tinmore]

More name calling out of Israel.

Israel Declares War on Palestinian Human Rights Defenders​