PA law makers move to end illegal no-excuse mail in voting which poisoned 2020 election

[Ordinary Guy]

The purpose is to make it harder to vote. The public has confidence in mail in voting and the integrity is intact. The only pdeople questioning it are the sore losers.

so you are against honest elections? why do democrats hate accountability?

 

[johnwk]

And now it goes to the PA SC. Any bets on how that turns out?

And what does Pennsylvania's Constitution actually say?

Clause 1 of Article VII of PA’s Constitution declares:


“Every citizen 21 years of age, possessing the following qualifications, shall be entitled to vote at all elections subject, however, to such laws requiring and regulating the registration of electors as the General Assembly may enact.”


And, Section 14 of Article VII was enacted which is titled:


§ 14. Absentee voting.


(a) The Legislature shall, by general law, provide a manner in which, and the time and place at which, qualified electors who may, on the occurrence of any election, be absent from the municipality of their residence,

because their duties, occupation or business require them to be elsewhere or who, on the occurrence of any election,

are unable to attend at their proper polling places because of illness or physical disability or who will not attend a polling place because of the observance of a religious holiday

or who cannot vote because of election day duties, in the case of a county employee, may vote, and for the return and canvass of their votes in the election district in which they respectively reside.

As anyone can see, Section 14 provides two, and only two ways by which a qualified elector may cast his or her vote in an election:


(1) by submitting his or her vote in propria persona at the polling place on election day; and

(2) by submitting an absentee ballot, but only if the qualified voter satisfies one of the conditions under which absentee voting is authorized as outlined above in “Absentee voting”.


The Act of October 31, 2019, P.L. 552, No. 77, which legislatively attempts to fundamentally change and expand allowable conditions for Pennsylvania's "Absentee Voting" and permitting no-excuse mail-in voting without amending Pennsylvania’s Constitution, is a clear Violation of PA’s Constitution ___ Clause 1 of Article VII, § 14. Absentee voting.


The Act of October 31, 2019, P.L. 552, No. 77 was a legislative attempt to fundamentally change Pennsylvania’s voting system, permitting no-excuse mail-in voting, without amending Pennsylvania’s Constitution!

JWK

 

[pknopp]

stopping the counts in 4 state precincts waiting for the rest of the country to finish counting would have been deemed illegal in any previous election prior to the last one

They closed because no one was going to count all night.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

And what does Pennsylvania's Constitution actually say?

Clause 1 of Article VII of PA’s Constitution declares:


“Every citizen 21 years of age, possessing the following qualifications, shall be entitled to vote at all elections subject, however, to such laws requiring and regulating the registration of electors as the General Assembly may enact.”


And, Section 14 of Article VII was enacted which is titled:


§ 14. Absentee voting.


(a) The Legislature shall, by general law, provide a manner in which, and the time and place at which, qualified electors who may, on the occurrence of any election, be absent from the municipality of their residence,

because their duties, occupation or business require them to be elsewhere or who, on the occurrence of any election,

are unable to attend at their proper polling places because of illness or physical disability or who will not attend a polling place because of the observance of a religious holiday

or who cannot vote because of election day duties, in the case of a county employee, may vote, and for the return and canvass of their votes in the election district in which they respectively reside.

As anyone can see, Section 14 provides two, and only two ways by which a qualified elector may cast his or her vote in an election:


(1) by submitting his or her vote in propria persona at the polling place on election day; and

(2) by submitting an absentee ballot, but only if the qualified voter satisfies one of the conditions under which absentee voting is authorized as outlined above in “Absentee voting”.


The Act of October 31, 2019, P.L. 552, No. 77, which legislatively attempts to fundamentally change and expand allowable conditions for Pennsylvania's "Absentee Voting" and permitting no-excuse mail-in voting without amending Pennsylvania’s Constitution, is a clear Violation of PA’s Constitution ___ Clause 1 of Article VII, § 14. Absentee voting.


The Act of October 31, 2019, P.L. 552, No. 77 was a legislative attempt to fundamentally change Pennsylvania’s voting system, permitting no-excuse mail-in voting, without amending Pennsylvania’s Constitution!

JWK

Which is why they do not call it Absentee voting.

But, we shall see what the PA SC decides, they are the only ones that matter

 

[BlindBoo]

so you are against honest elections? why do democrats hate accountability?

So all those elections the Republicans have been winning in Fla should be in question because the GOP relies heavily on mail in votes. Maybe that's how Bush won in 2000.

Bastards!

#MAGAFRAUD#

 

[Ordinary Guy]

So all those elections the Republicans have been winning in Fla should be in question because the GOP relies heavily on mail in votes. Maybe that's how Bush won in 2000.

Bastards!

#MAGAFRAUD#

maybe it is, why not make election laws that have accountability? I am not against it, why are you?

 

[Ordinary Guy]

They closed because no one was going to count all night.

bullshit, one closed because of a water main break which proved to be false. Many states count all night, it is called shifts, surely you have heard of it. LOL

 

[johnwk]

Which is why they do not call it Absentee voting.

But, we shall see what the PA SC decides, they are the only ones that matter

What matters is what Pennsylvania's Constitution says.

Clause 1 of Article VII of PA’s Constitution declares:


“Every citizen 21 years of age, possessing the following qualifications, shall be entitled to vote at all elections subject, however, to such laws requiring and regulating the registration of electors as the General Assembly may enact.”


And, Section 14 of Article VII was enacted which is titled:


§ 14. Absentee voting.


(a) The Legislature shall, by general law, provide a manner in which, and the time and place at which, qualified electors who may, on the occurrence of any election, be absent from the municipality of their residence,

because their duties, occupation or business require them to be elsewhere or who, on the occurrence of any election,

are unable to attend at their proper polling places because of illness or physical disability or who will not attend a polling place because of the observance of a religious holiday

or who cannot vote because of election day duties, in the case of a county employee, may vote, and for the return and canvass of their votes in the election district in which they respectively reside.

As anyone can see, Section 14 provides two, and only two ways by which a qualified elector may cast his or her vote in an election:


(1) by submitting his or her vote in propria persona at the polling place on election day; and

(2) by submitting an absentee ballot, but only if the qualified voter satisfies one of the conditions under which absentee voting is authorized as outlined above in “Absentee voting”.


The Act of October 31, 2019, P.L. 552, No. 77, which legislatively attempts to fundamentally change and expand allowable conditions for Pennsylvania's "Absentee Voting" and permitting no-excuse mail-in voting without amending Pennsylvania’s Constitution, is a clear Violation of PA’s Constitution ___ Clause 1 of Article VII, § 14. Absentee voting.


The Act of October 31, 2019, P.L. 552, No. 77 was a legislative attempt to fundamentally change Pennsylvania’s voting system, permitting no-excuse mail-in voting, without amending Pennsylvania’s Constitution!

JWK

 

[pknopp]

bullshit, one closed because of a water main break which proved to be false. Many states count all night, it is called shifts, surely you have heard of it. LOL

What you claim many might do hardly means all were set up to count all night.

 

[BlindBoo]

maybe it is, why not make election laws that have accountability? I am not against it, why are you?

I thought because I'll be over 65 next national election and in Texas you can request one without a reason then it would be easier. But no, you gotta jump through all kinds of hoops. Early voting is the way to go.... I drove up walked right in voted with no waiting at all.......10 minute round trip.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

What matters is what Pennsylvania's Constitution says.

Clause 1 of Article VII of PA’s Constitution declares:


“Every citizen 21 years of age, possessing the following qualifications, shall be entitled to vote at all elections subject, however, to such laws requiring and regulating the registration of electors as the General Assembly may enact.”


And, Section 14 of Article VII was enacted which is titled:


§ 14. Absentee voting.


(a) The Legislature shall, by general law, provide a manner in which, and the time and place at which, qualified electors who may, on the occurrence of any election, be absent from the municipality of their residence,

because their duties, occupation or business require them to be elsewhere or who, on the occurrence of any election,

are unable to attend at their proper polling places because of illness or physical disability or who will not attend a polling place because of the observance of a religious holiday

or who cannot vote because of election day duties, in the case of a county employee, may vote, and for the return and canvass of their votes in the election district in which they respectively reside.

As anyone can see, Section 14 provides two, and only two ways by which a qualified elector may cast his or her vote in an election:


(1) by submitting his or her vote in propria persona at the polling place on election day; and

(2) by submitting an absentee ballot, but only if the qualified voter satisfies one of the conditions under which absentee voting is authorized as outlined above in “Absentee voting”.


The Act of October 31, 2019, P.L. 552, No. 77, which legislatively attempts to fundamentally change and expand allowable conditions for Pennsylvania's "Absentee Voting" and permitting no-excuse mail-in voting without amending Pennsylvania’s Constitution, is a clear Violation of PA’s Constitution ___ Clause 1 of Article VII, § 14. Absentee voting.


The Act of October 31, 2019, P.L. 552, No. 77 was a legislative attempt to fundamentally change Pennsylvania’s voting system, permitting no-excuse mail-in voting, without amending Pennsylvania’s Constitution!

JWK

Yes, and the new law was not about Absentee voting, it was about mail in voting, and the law made a distinction between the two.

The only question left if is that distinction is valid. Only the PA SC can decide that.

 

[johnwk]

so you are against honest elections? why do democrats hate accountability?

Probably for the same reason there is no accountability for the Chinese Communist Party.

JWK

 

[johnwk]

Yes, and the new law was not about Absentee voting, it was about mail in voting, and the law made a distinction between the two.

The only question left if is that distinction is valid. Only the PA SC can decide that.

Actually, the "new law" created no-excuse mail in ballot voting which violated the constitutional limitations put on mail-in ballots.

JWK

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Actually, the "new law" created no-excuse mail in ballot voting which violated the constitutional limitations put on mail-in ballots.

JWK

We will find out in a while if the PA SC agrees with you or not

 

[johnwk]

We will find out in a while if the PA SC agrees with you or not

It's not about agreeing with me.

In regard to the PA Supreme Court upholding the legislatively adopted allowance for no-excuse mail-in ballots, it would be tantamount to declaring the people no longer have a say in determining the provisions of the State's Constitution.

Keep in mind the PA Legislature adopted the allowance of no-excuse mail-in ballots, and that allowance arbitrarily erases the constitutional limitations which the people agreed to, and which an elector must meet to use such a mail-in ballot. In regard to this specific question, the following is what Judge Emerita wrote in the Court's OPINION AND DISSENTING OPINION:

“No-excuse mail-in voting makes the exercise of the franchise more convenient and has been used four times in the history of Pennsylvania. Approximately 1.38 million voters have expressed their interest in voting by mail permanently. If presented to the people, a constitutional amendment to end the Article VII, Section 1 requirement of in-person voting is likely to be adopted. But a constitutional amendment must be presented to the people and adopted into our fundamental law before legislation authorizing no-excuse mail-in voting can “be placed upon our statute books.” Lancaster City, 126 A. at 201. For these reasons, we grant summary relief to McLinko and declare that Act 77 violates Article VII, Section 1 of the Pennsylvania Constitution, PA. CONST. art. VII, §1. We deny the Acting Secretary’s application for summary relief on the procedural and substantive grounds proffered therein.”

JWK

"The Constitution is the act of the people, speaking in their original character, and defining the permanent conditions of the social alliance; and there can be no doubt on the point with us, that every act of the legislative power contrary to the true intent and meaning of the Constitution, is absolutely null and void. ___ Chancellor James Kent, in his Commentaries on American Law , 1858.

 

[johnwk]

So all those elections the Republicans have been winning in Fla should be in question because the GOP relies heavily on mail in votes. Maybe that's how Bush won in 2000.

Bastards!

#MAGAFRAUD#

Yo, Bro,

How about requiring states like Georgia to abide by Florida's VOTE BY MAIL RULES? You got a problem with that bro?

JWK

They are not “liberals” or “progressives”. They are Socialist Revolutionaries, the very kind who took over Cuba and now rule over the people with an iron fist.

 

[BlindBoo]

Yo, Bro,

How about requiring states like Georgia to abide by Florida's VOTE BY MAIL RULES? You got a problem with that bro?

JWK

They are not “liberals” or “progressives”. They are Socialist Revolutionaries, the very kind who took over Cuba and now rule over the people with an iron fist.

So we should have uniform or mandated election laws across all the states my brother?

 

[Ordinary Guy]

I thought because I'll be over 65 next national election and in Texas you can request one without a reason then it would be easier. But no, you gotta jump through all kinds of hoops. Early voting is the way to go.... I drove up walked right in voted with no waiting at all.......10 minute round trip.

me too, I always vote early, it is in person, requires ID and signature verification every time

 

[Ordinary Guy]

What you claim many might do hardly means all were set up to count all night.

I understand as much of the democratic party never leaves the couch

 

[pknopp]

I understand as much of the democratic party never leaves the couch

Counts are bi-partisan.