Oxford professor on Gaza/Israel

[Truthmatters]

Avi Shlaim: How Israel brought Gaza to the brink of humanitarian catastrophe | World news | The Guardian


He is Jewish and served in the IDL.

 

[WillowTree]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/israel-and-palestine/67295-hamas-raids-aid-trucks-sells-supplies.html





I double dog dare ya!

 

[editec]

In Gaza, the Jewish settlers numbered only 8,000 in 2005 compared with 1.4 million local residents. Yet the settlers controlled 25% of the territory, 40% of the arable land and the lion's share of the scarce water resources

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Hmmm....apparently they're modeling that place's economy distribution after the American model.

Gaza is nothing more than a prison, folks.

And not a terribly well funded or managed prison at that.

In such a hateful place, how hard do you suppose it is to sell a message of hate?

 

[toomuchtime_]

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Hmmm....apparently they're modeling that place's economy distribution after the American model.

Gaza is nothing more than a prison, folks.

And not a terribly well funded or managed prison at that.

In such a hateful place, how hard do you suppose it is to sell a message of hate?

Well, that would seem to give a rational explanation for Palestinian hate for Israel, and let's be hones, for Jews, but is that the real explanation or just a public relations ploy? If as you suggest this is all about the harsh conditions in Gaza or the West Bank, then why did the Palestinians, according to their own polls, so overwhelmingly oppose the creation of a Palestinian state in 1980? The offer from Israel, and backed by the US, included all of Gaza, about 95% of the West Bank plus some land from pre 1967 Israel in compensation for the land the settlements are on, no political right of return, but 100,000 refugees or their descendants could emigrate to Israel and all the others would have received money to help them settle in the new Palestinian state or elsewhere, and control over part of Jerusalem. In addition, billions of dollars in aid from the developed countries had been pledged to the new Palestinian state and billions more in private investment, over 2 billion to Gaza alone.

The Palestinians responded to this offer with the second intifada, the violence from the first intifada had led to the construction of the Gaza fence, just as the violence from the second intifada led to the West Bank fence. So if, as you suggest, the hate they bear for Israel and Jews is caused by the harsh conditions they live under, why did they turn down an offer that gave them almost everything they claimed to have wanted other than being able to flood Israel with millions of impoverished Arabs committed to its destruction? Clearly, their misery is not the cause of their hate for Israel and Jews, but their hate for Israel and for Jews is the cause of their continued misery. This is not a rational people, as you suggest, but a dysfunctional culture with incompetent leaders who that consistently manages to turn every opportunity into more misery for itself.

 

[DiveCon]

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Hmmm....apparently they're modeling that place's economy distribution after the American model.

Gaza is nothing more than a prison, folks.

And not a terribly well funded or managed prison at that.

In such a hateful place, how hard do you suppose it is to sell a message of hate?

more bullshit


a PRISON?

 

[Xenophon]

If it's all about 100% of Gaza and the West bank, and the 1967 border, why was the PLO formed in 1964?

 

[DiveCon]

If it's all about 100% of Gaza and the West bank, and the 1967 border, why was the PLO formed in 1964?

it isnt

it is as it has always been, the total destruction and elimination of Israel