outsourcing

[Niles]

How does everyone feel about outsourcing? I was thinking about it this weekend after I saw a movie (appropriately called “Outsourced”, anyone else seen it?) about call center outsourcing in India. There’s a line in it where the US manager explains “A lot of Americans are upset about outsourcing” and the Indian call center work retorts “but sir, most of the products they buy are made in China.” I guess that’s my basic opinion on the subject – I buy products made overseas because they are cheaper – therefore I am the driving force behind outsourcing and therefore can’t complain about its effect on US economy and the job market.

 

[eots]

How does everyone feel about outsourcing? I was thinking about it this weekend after I saw a movie (appropriately called “Outsourced”, anyone else seen it?) about call center outsourcing in India. There’s a line in it where the US manager explains “A lot of Americans are upset about outsourcing” and the Indian call center work retorts “but sir, most of the products they buy are made in China.” I guess that’s my basic opinion on the subject – I buy products made overseas because they are cheaper – therefore I am the driving force behind outsourcing and therefore can’t complain about its effect on US economy and the job market.

we are the masters of our own demise this is true , sold out for some shinny trinkets and beads from china

 

[jasendorf]

I'm more concerned about in-sourcing... special visas for foreign IT workers (many of whom aren't any better than a smart American high-schooler but who come cheaper than one)... and the continued Republican promotion of illegal immigration as a source of cheap manual labor.

 

[midcan5]

posted here

http://www.usmessageboard.com/showthread.php?t=50726

and here

http://www.fullpolitics.com/viewthread.php?tid=24438

 

[Shogun]

I'd tariff a "domestic" company that houses a large percentage of it's jobs outside the US like I would any other foreign company being taxed on imports. There are some REAL repercussions in our rural communities when jobs go overseas.


It;s too bad we don't rally behind the MADE IN THE USA standard anymore.

 

[Paulie]

It;s too bad we don't rally behind the MADE IN THE USA standard anymore.

Well...

When's the last time we made something worth buying?

I look around my house right now, and see almost NOTHING that's "Made in the USA". Maybe what's in my refrigerator, but that's about it. What do YOU have, or buy regularly, that is made in the USA?

I have an Isuzu "Pup" from the mid-80's with a 100 billion miles on it, that i beat the crap out of pulling an 18 ft. fiberglass bay boat in and out of my nearby river, and it has lasted longer under these conditions than your average Chevy or Ford from the 90's that only gets used for various travel needs. I've also seen Hondas and Toyota's outlast American cars on NUMEROUS occasions throughout my short life.

I wouldn't buy an American-built car any newer than 1980, and that has absolutely nothing to do with my "patriotism".

I love the muscle cars from the 60's and 70's...THOSE were real American-made vehicles.

America doesn't PRODUCE anymore. It doesn't need to. All you gotta do is run a fancy commercial with an old classic rock song that brings back memories of your youth, and they got you hook, line, and sinker.

 

[Shogun]

I have a 96 olds lss that is, by far, one of the best driving cars i've ever owned.

The '79 Ranchero was a bad mammajamma too.

I think it's selling American labor short to insist that foreign products are simply "better". I'm not convinced that chinese goods are better just because they are cheaper. for instance, what quality issues are there when comparing tech and service jobs in America versus those outsourced to India?

 

[RightWingSpirit]

How does everyone feel about outsourcing?

very bad idea and to prove it, look at whats going on with our economy now.
NAFTA and WTO are the stupidest ideas, and we are suffering from those mistakes.

 

[Paulie]

NAFTA and WTO are the stupidest ideas, and we are suffering from those mistakes.

That doesn't sound very Right Wing.

 

[eots]

That doesn't sound very Right Wing.

unless of course you really are a conservative and Texan and not left wing fascist blue blood posing as one



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[Toro]

It's a benefit to America.

Americans get goods cheaper, corporations make more money, poor people get richer and poor countries get the benefits of capitalism.

Mercantilism went out with the 19th century. For 200 years, we've known its a bad thing. Yet, the opponents of outsourcing seem to want to roll back the clock.

 

[RightWingSpirit]

It's a benefit to America.

right, sending jobs overseas is best for America.

 

[Toro]

right, sending jobs overseas is best for America.

I thought you were "right wing?"

I didn't realize that statist government intervention and interference in the free market was a right wing ideal.

 

[RightWingSpirit]

I thought you were "right wing?"

I didn't realize that statist government intervention and interference in the free market was a right wing ideal.

I am right wing. I want Americans to have jobs, not Indians or Mexicans.

 

[Toro]

That's a funny definition of "right wing." Usually its leftists, socialists, Marxists and communists who want to restrict trade.

 

[RightWingSpirit]

That's a funny definition of "right wing." Usually its leftists, socialists, Marxists and communists who want to restrict trade.

if it means keeping jobs here, you bet. Oh, you want the country to have an economy in the crapper. Gotcha.

 

[Toro]

if it means keeping jobs here, you bet. Oh, you want the country to have an economy in the crapper. Gotcha.

In the crapper?

Don't you read RSR's posts?

 

[Diuretic]

It's a benefit to America.

Americans get goods cheaper, corporations make more money, poor people get richer and poor countries get the benefits of capitalism.

Mercantilism went out with the 19th century. For 200 years, we've known its a bad thing. Yet, the opponents of outsourcing seem to want to roll back the clock.

But what about lost jobs in your own country? Doesn't that have a dampening effect on the economy?

 

[eots]

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[Toro]

eots

There's a thread on that topic already.

http://usmessageboard.com/showthread.php?t=50782

And that's not what Fox said.

But what about lost jobs in your own country? Doesn't that have a dampening effect on the economy?

To quote Alan Greenspan

The great ‘problem’ inherent in capitalism [is] that creative destruction is often, and by a great many, viewed simply as destruction.

Meaning that you see the jobs that are lost but you do not see all that are created due to a more efficient allocation of capital into the economy.

The concern isn't invalid. But it really more applies to small economies. Outsourcing isn't a new concept. Its been going on for many decades as lower technology jobs shift overseas while newer, higher-tech jobs are created in America.