Our ball-less Commander in Cheif

[High_Gravity]

It's 5th Group. This is what SF was created for.

That's different then a pre-emptive war.

They were sent there for training initially, now they are out with Ugandan forces hunting Kony in the jungle, WTF?

Yeah, that's what they do.

You don't join SF without knowing you will be in your AO a significant amount of the time, whether we are in war or peace.

7th group has been "training" soldiers in South America to fight The shining path for almost two decades.

Fair enough, I am just worried about us getting caught up in another war we can't afford.

 

[Sunni Man]

Same story; different place, different time.

The first U.S. Special Forces operations in Vietnam were in 1957, when soldiers from the 1st Special Forces Group trained fifty eight Vietnamese Army soldiers at the Commando Training Center in Nha Trang.

The main SF unit in South Vietnam was the 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne)

History of the United States Army Special Forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Uncensored2008]

For the last 20 years the U.S. couldn't care less about a nation of spear chuckers being terrorized by a homicidal madman.

But now that 2.5 billion barrels of crude oil has been discovered in Uganda.

We have decided to help with money, troops, and weapons; because it's the humanitarian thing to do.

Idi Amin, such a good Muslim that Saudi Arabia took him in and the Royal family paid for him to live like a King.

Cannibal Idi Amin's Saudi Villa

 

[JakeStarkey]

Plus the US cannot be active offensively in Syria. This has to be an Arab League operation, which we support covertly.

Arab league? You can't be serious. So what you're saying is we bombed the shit out of Libya because it was a safe bet for Obama, but when more people are being slaughtered by Syria, our ball-less president choses to stay on the sidelines? We can at least prevent Syrian tanks and aircraft from firing on it's own citizens. But no, it's too risky politically for Obama. He'd rather stand by and watch thousands of Syrian families being butchered. The great "humanitarian" and fighter he is.

Roudy does not understand; most neo-cons like him can't nuance; I will expand.

The Arab League supported getting rid of Khadaffi, thus we could act.

The Arab League is divided not on getting rid of the Syrian dictator but on letting the Americans do anything at all, thus we cannot act.

Neo-cons refuse to realize that America operates in a global environment, security as well as economic, and we are constrained by those factors.

Roudy's false syllogism rests of false politics. It has nothing to do with Obama. It has everything to do with America's acceptability to the Arab League acting on the Syrian issue.

Roudy, like all bushie neo-cons, acts from testosterone rather than brains, insight, and nuance.

 

[Dr.Drock]

For the last 20 years the U.S. couldn't care less about a nation of spear chuckers being terrorized by a homicidal madman.

But now that 2.5 billion barrels of crude oil has been discovered in Uganda.

We have decided to help with money, troops, and weapons; because it's the humanitarian thing to do.

Idi Amin, such a good Muslim that Saudi Arabia took him in and the Royal family paid for him to live like a King.

Cannibal Idi Amin's Saudi Villa

Another example of why people need to remember that our gov't will literally ally itself with anyone. We've been dear friends with the Saudis for awhile, who were also the country that took in this many when no one would and he lived a very rich life there.

 

[High_Gravity]

Plus the US cannot be active offensively in Syria. This has to be an Arab League operation, which we support covertly.

Arab league? You can't be serious. So what you're saying is we bombed the shit out of Libya because it was a safe bet for Obama, but when more people are being slaughtered by Syria, our ball-less president choses to stay on the sidelines? We can at least prevent Syrian tanks and aircraft from firing on it's own citizens. But no, it's too risky politically for Obama. He'd rather stand by and watch thousands of Syrian families being butchered. The great "humanitarian" and fighter he is.

Roudy does not understand; most neo-cons like him can't nuance; I will expand.

The Arab League supported getting rid of Khadaffi, thus we could act.

The Arab League is divided not on getting rid of the Syrian dictator but on letting the Americans do anything at all, thus we cannot act.

Neo-cons refuse to realize that America operates in a global environment, security as well as economic, and we are constrained by those factors.

Roudy's false syllogism rests of false politics. It has nothing to do with Obama. It has everything to do with America's acceptability to the Arab League acting on the Syrian issue.

Roudy, like all bushie neo-cons, acts from testosterone rather than brains, insight, and nuance.

I think its more complicated this time around, even if the Arab leage said yes America please bomb the pants off of Assad we still have to find a way to disarm Syrias air defense systems, thats something Libya didn't have and we easily established a no fly zone there, getting involved in Syria will take alot longer than it did in Libya and will cost alot more money, I don't think many people will have the appetite for it.

 

[Sunni Man]

It's all very simple:

Libya has oil, "We must help these people free themselves from a brutal dictator".

Syria doesn't have oil, "You are on your own people; and good luck".

 

[High_Gravity]

It's all very simple:

Libya has oil, "We must help these people free themselves from a brutal dictator".

Syria doesn't have oil, "You are on your own people; and good luck".

You nailed it.

 

[Nosmo King]

All this fussin' and fumin' from the Right! And criticism over foreign policy too! That's rich! As if Bush's statesmanship on the world stage was so praiseworthy!

I think what's got the Right's panties in a wad is two pronged. First, it was under Obama's watch when bin Laden was finally found and killed.

Second, the Arab Spring showed that regime change can come from the bottom up rather than spending billions of U.S. dollars, killing and maiming thousands of American servicemen and women and not having Pango Pango on your side in a Coalition of the Gullible.

 

[Dr.Drock]

All this fussin' and fumin' from the Right! And criticism over foreign policy too! That's rich! As if Bush's statesmanship on the world stage was so praiseworthy!

I think what's got the Right's panties in a wad is two pronged. First, it was under Obama's watch when bin Laden was finally found and killed.

Second, the Arab Spring showed that regime change can come from the bottom up rather than spending billions of U.S. dollars, killing and maiming thousands of American servicemen and women and not having Pango Pango on your side in a Coalition of the Gullible.

Any opinion on the coincidence of billions of dollars in oil being found in Uganda and us all of a sudden caring about the 20 years worth of human rights violations?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Arab league? You can't be serious. So what you're saying is we bombed the shit out of Libya because it was a safe bet for Obama, but when more people are being slaughtered by Syria, our ball-less president choses to stay on the sidelines? We can at least prevent Syrian tanks and aircraft from firing on it's own citizens. But no, it's too risky politically for Obama. He'd rather stand by and watch thousands of Syrian families being butchered. The great "humanitarian" and fighter he is.

Roudy does not understand; most neo-cons like him can't nuance; I will expand.

The Arab League supported getting rid of Khadaffi, thus we could act.

The Arab League is divided not on getting rid of the Syrian dictator but on letting the Americans do anything at all, thus we cannot act.

Neo-cons refuse to realize that America operates in a global environment, security as well as economic, and we are constrained by those factors.

Roudy's false syllogism rests of false politics. It has nothing to do with Obama. It has everything to do with America's acceptability to the Arab League acting on the Syrian issue.

Roudy, like all bushie neo-cons, acts from testosterone rather than brains, insight, and nuance.

I think its more complicated this time around, even if the Arab leage said yes America please bomb the pants off of Assad we still have to find a way to disarm Syrias air defense systems, thats something Libya didn't have and we easily established a no fly zone there, getting involved in Syria will take alot longer than it did in Libya and will cost alot more money, I don't think many people will have the appetite for it.

HG is 100% correct about ADA. The ADA is a real ***** there. To succeed it is going to require Turkey's agreement to set up some French, British, Italian, and US security arrangements in country. Turkey is going to have to agree to be a quick, short term security force in-country before NATO takes over.

All that before certain Syrian in-country groups take offense at not being able to be the next government.

 

[High_Gravity]

All this fussin' and fumin' from the Right! And criticism over foreign policy too! That's rich! As if Bush's statesmanship on the world stage was so praiseworthy!

I think what's got the Right's panties in a wad is two pronged. First, it was under Obama's watch when bin Laden was finally found and killed.

Second, the Arab Spring showed that regime change can come from the bottom up rather than spending billions of U.S. dollars, killing and maiming thousands of American servicemen and women and not having Pango Pango on your side in a Coalition of the Gullible.

Any opinion on the coincidence of billions of dollars in oil being found in Uganda and us all of a sudden caring about the 20 years worth of human rights violations?

Its just a coincidence.

 

[Nosmo King]

All this fussin' and fumin' from the Right! And criticism over foreign policy too! That's rich! As if Bush's statesmanship on the world stage was so praiseworthy!

I think what's got the Right's panties in a wad is two pronged. First, it was under Obama's watch when bin Laden was finally found and killed.

Second, the Arab Spring showed that regime change can come from the bottom up rather than spending billions of U.S. dollars, killing and maiming thousands of American servicemen and women and not having Pango Pango on your side in a Coalition of the Gullible.

Any opinion on the coincidence of billions of dollars in oil being found in Uganda and us all of a sudden caring about the 20 years worth of human rights violations?

If the world economy depended on the reliable flow of mahogany, the Tibetans would not be suffering under the yoke of the communist Chinese.

 

[High_Gravity]

Roudy does not understand; most neo-cons like him can't nuance; I will expand.

The Arab League supported getting rid of Khadaffi, thus we could act.

The Arab League is divided not on getting rid of the Syrian dictator but on letting the Americans do anything at all, thus we cannot act.

Neo-cons refuse to realize that America operates in a global environment, security as well as economic, and we are constrained by those factors.

Roudy's false syllogism rests of false politics. It has nothing to do with Obama. It has everything to do with America's acceptability to the Arab League acting on the Syrian issue.

Roudy, like all bushie neo-cons, acts from testosterone rather than brains, insight, and nuance.

I think its more complicated this time around, even if the Arab leage said yes America please bomb the pants off of Assad we still have to find a way to disarm Syrias air defense systems, thats something Libya didn't have and we easily established a no fly zone there, getting involved in Syria will take alot longer than it did in Libya and will cost alot more money, I don't think many people will have the appetite for it.

HG is 100% correct about ADA. The ADA is a real ***** there. To succeed it is going to require Turkey's agreement to set up some French, British, Italian, and US security arrangements in country. Turkey is going to have to agree to be a quick, short term security force in-country before NATO takes over.

All that before certain Syrian in-country groups take offense at not being able to be the next government.

Turkey previously said they wanted to set up safe zones inside Syria, however those areas were all in the predominantly Kurdish part of the country.

 

[Dr.Drock]

All this fussin' and fumin' from the Right! And criticism over foreign policy too! That's rich! As if Bush's statesmanship on the world stage was so praiseworthy!

I think what's got the Right's panties in a wad is two pronged. First, it was under Obama's watch when bin Laden was finally found and killed.

Second, the Arab Spring showed that regime change can come from the bottom up rather than spending billions of U.S. dollars, killing and maiming thousands of American servicemen and women and not having Pango Pango on your side in a Coalition of the Gullible.

Any opinion on the coincidence of billions of dollars in oil being found in Uganda and us all of a sudden caring about the 20 years worth of human rights violations?

If the world economy depended on the reliable flow of mahogany, the Tibetans would not be suffering under the yoke of the communist Chinese.

Sounds like we agree on Obama's foreign policy. It's the same as Bush's, fueled by, well, fuel.

 

[Sunni Man]

Idi Amin, such a good Muslim that Saudi Arabia took him in and the Royal family paid for him to live like a King.

So what's your point?

The U.S. took in the brutal dictator Ferdinand Marcos after he had to flee the Philippines.

And we helped the murdering Shah of Iran escape to safety.

Are we any less guilty of harboring fugitive tyrants?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Idi Amin, such a good Muslim that Saudi Arabia took him in and the Royal family paid for him to live like a King.

So what's your point?

The U.S. took in the brutal dictator Ferdinand Marcos after he had to flee the Philippines.

And we helped the murdering Shah of Iran escape to safety.

Are we any less guilty of harboring fugitive tyrants?

Uncensored seems to believe that the USA is exempt from playing by the rules, that the USA in fact should be making the rules and enforcing everyone else to play by USA roles. We saw where the neo-con thinking got us from 2003 to 2008.

 

[francoHFW]

Assad is in slow motion fall, not to worry. Of course Syria is totally different, 8x as big, not strung along Med. in range of Italy and France, have friends in Iran, Russia, and China. BUT, they're losing them, Iran being isolated and the operation is working- god bless the Syrian people. More and more army deserters all the time...

The dupes aren't happy except with a macho chickenhawk 'super patriot' arrogant fool/disaster....unbelievable ignorami...

 

[geauxtohell]

They were sent there for training initially, now they are out with Ugandan forces hunting Kony in the jungle, WTF?

Yeah, that's what they do.

You don't join SF without knowing you will be in your AO a significant amount of the time, whether we are in war or peace.

7th group has been "training" soldiers in South America to fight The shining path for almost two decades.

Fair enough, I am just worried about us getting caught up in another war we can't afford.

I don't think that will happen with Obama.

And before conservatives get all hot and bothered, there is a big damn difference in air strikes in Libya and starting a ground war in Asia.

 

[JakeStarkey]

America will almost certainly not commit such forces to a ground war in the Middle East or Asia in our life times.