Other people's money: Should people who don't pay taxes be allowed to vote?

[Xenophon]

When you stoop to personal insults you admit you're loosing the argument.

When you stoop to lunacy you lose, which is why you never win anything.

As a typical partisan hack, you are pissed that the GOP attempts to buy votes with tax cuts failed to get them elected and you want to punish the voters who couldn't be bought and voted for those tax raising Dems.

As that comment proves.

Really, you need some serious help.

 

[Xenophon]

by your logic, exxon mobil shouldn't be allowed to donate to campaigns or run ads because they didn't pay us taxes.

My logic?

This is what I was saying earlier abouty people not actually reading what is there but instead inserting what they WANT to believe is there.

You are running off on a pet tangent instead of simply answering what is asked.

what about companies that offshore? i think they shouldn't be allowed to donate money or run ads or any of the other idiocy the supremes decided they have personhood for.

And the tangent is expanded.

just make sure i don't see you calling dems elitists.

Followed by a non sequitor.

the only flip flops i see on the part of the founders would be the way the pretend constitutionalists want to pervert the document and everything it stands for.

And ended with more assumption.

If you believe the founders thought the nation should be taxed or involved in foreign entaglements or deeply in debt from entitlements then you have never read the Constituton, the declaration of indepenadnce or the federalist papers.

 

[Xenophon]

Everyone receives something from the Government that they didn't pay for........so by the OP logic, nobody should be allowed to vote

And there is that assumption again, that there is more to teh OP then what is there.

The question is plain, try answering instead of attempting these strange attempts at mind reading.

 

[rightwinger]

Everyone receives something from the Government that they didn't pay for........so by the OP logic, nobody should be allowed to vote

And there is that assumption again, that there is more to teh OP then what is there.

The question is plain, try answering instead of attempting these strange attempts at mind reading.

It all comes down to fairness.

If people should not be able to vote for candidates who will benefit them economically......we should exclude the wealthy who are more involved in the buying of candidates

 

[Bill O'Olberman]

Again, as a 23 year old and probably one of only a few people on this board who could be drafted if some major conflict did brake out:

Would it be fair that I have to register for the draft but have no say in electing someone who would send me oversees to fight in a war?

 

[Hum Dinger]

by your logic, exxon mobil shouldn't be allowed to donate to campaigns or run ads because they didn't pay us taxes.

My logic?

This is what I was saying earlier abouty people not actually reading what is there but instead inserting what they WANT to believe is there.

You are running off on a pet tangent instead of simply answering what is asked.

what about companies that offshore? i think they shouldn't be allowed to donate money or run ads or any of the other idiocy the supremes decided they have personhood for.

And the tangent is expanded.

just make sure i don't see you calling dems elitists.

Followed by a non sequitor.

the only flip flops i see on the part of the founders would be the way the pretend constitutionalists want to pervert the document and everything it stands for.

And ended with more assumption.

If you believe the founders thought the nation should be taxed or involved in foreign entaglements or deeply in debt from entitlements then you have never read the Constituton, the declaration of indepenadnce or the federalist papers.

Section 8
1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Xeno - you do make a jackass of yourself quite often. You should think a little before your blurb.

 

[Xenophon]

by your logic, exxon mobil shouldn't be allowed to donate to campaigns or run ads because they didn't pay us taxes.

My logic?

This is what I was saying earlier abouty people not actually reading what is there but instead inserting what they WANT to believe is there.

You are running off on a pet tangent instead of simply answering what is asked.

And the tangent is expanded.

Followed by a non sequitor.

the only flip flops i see on the part of the founders would be the way the pretend constitutionalists want to pervert the document and everything it stands for.

And ended with more assumption.

If you believe the founders thought the nation should be taxed or involved in foreign entaglements or deeply in debt from entitlements then you have never read the Constituton, the declaration of indepenadnce or the federalist papers.

Section 8
1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Xeno - you do make a jackass of yourself quite often. You should think a little before your blurb.

Negged for stupidity.

Like a lot of noobs, learn to be civil or get used to it, I did not make a 'jackass' of myself, nor do I ever do so, only a half wit or a moron would think so. An income tax was imposed by amendment decades after the founders were long dead.

Now that you are through making a fool of yourself, learn from the mistake and next time avoid getting personal.

I can see the topic did exactly what I intended, it hit home and made people think, but more importantly it exposed a lot of people as assumers who don't pay attention and see what they want to see and respond accordingly.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Been thinking about this ever since barry became POTUS, how fair is it that people that don't pay a dime to support the country can vote in politicians who will buy them off with entitlements using other people's money.

This trade off of votes for entitlements is highlighted by Barry's latest call to arms to minorities and woman to come out and support him in the mid terms. Obama has been pandering to Latinos while states like Arizona are litterally drowning in illeagals, and instead of addressing the problem his big reaction is to go after the state government that was forced to do his job.

So back to the theme of this, do you believe its ethical to use the voting process to take money from people who earn it and give it to those who do not.

I am not talking Constitution here, as it clearly is, although the founders would do flip flops in their graves if they saw how their ideas are now perverted.

Who bought off GW Bush et al to get his tax cuts passed?

And while we're at it, who pays NO taxes?

 

[FA_Q2]

So.... One of the first to answer?!?!

Short answer, yes they should be able to vote. This deserves a more broad explanation though. For one, tax credits should not exist in any form. The idea of a tax credit is rather laughable. I can see a tax deduction, though I disagree with those as well they can and do serve a valuable purpose. A credit on the other hand is nothing more than redistribution and the purchase of loyalty. Taking tax credits away would do a lot in limiting the parties from purchasing votes.

The fact is placing limitations on voting leads to exploitation of that limitation. Here we would have half the people that are paying taxes ruling over the lower income half that do not and without a voice in their government they would have no power to change it. How long before the classes become defined and the lower class loses its ability to raise their stations in life under such a system?

A civics test is another matter. I would never support such an idea for the same reason, exploitation, but I wish it was possible to ensure a fair civics test was administered before voting. It appalls me to this day that there are voters out there than cannot answer simple questions like naming the three branches of government. I work with people that cannot answer these simple questions. How can one live in such ignorance of the very system they are subjugated to on a daily basis? Maybe a one time test like the ones given to aliens before gaining citizenship?

 

[FA_Q2]

Been thinking about this ever since barry became POTUS, how fair is it that people that don't pay a dime to support the country can vote in politicians who will buy them off with entitlements using other people's money.

This trade off of votes for entitlements is highlighted by Barry's latest call to arms to minorities and woman to come out and support him in the mid terms. Obama has been pandering to Latinos while states like Arizona are litterally drowning in illeagals, and instead of addressing the problem his big reaction is to go after the state government that was forced to do his job.

So back to the theme of this, do you believe its ethical to use the voting process to take money from people who earn it and give it to those who do not.

I am not talking Constitution here, as it clearly is, although the founders would do flip flops in their graves if they saw how their ideas are now perverted.

by your logic, exxon mobil shouldn't be allowed to donate to campaigns or run ads because they didn't pay us taxes.

what about companies that offshore? i think they shouldn't be allowed to donate money or run ads or any of the other idiocy the supremes decided they have personhood for.

just make sure i don't see you calling dems elitists.

the only flip flops i see on the part of the founders would be the way the pretend constitutionalists want to pervert the document and everything it stands for.

EXXON does not pay taxes? I thought that thread was already thoroughly debunked and left to the dust mites?

Companies do not vote anyway. Their people have a vote but the company itself cannot take a place at the polls so what is the point?

 

[Article 15]

Again, as a 23 year old and probably one of only a few people on this board who could be drafted if some major conflict did brake out:

Would it be fair that I have to register for the draft but have no say in electing someone who would send me oversees to fight in a war?

Bueller?

 

[Xenophon]

So.... One of the first to answer?!?!

Short answer, yes they should be able to vote. This deserves a more broad explanation though. For one, tax credits should not exist in any form. The idea of a tax credit is rather laughable. I can see a tax deduction, though I disagree with those as well they can and do serve a valuable purpose. A credit on the other hand is nothing more than redistribution and the purchase of loyalty. Taking tax credits away would do a lot in limiting the parties from purchasing votes.

The fact is placing limitations on voting leads to exploitation of that limitation. Here we would have half the people that are paying taxes ruling over the lower income half that do not and without a voice in their government they would have no power to change it. How long before the classes become defined and the lower class loses its ability to raise their stations in life under such a system?

A civics test is another matter. I would never support such an idea for the same reason, exploitation, but I wish it was possible to ensure a fair civics test was administered before voting. It appalls me to this day that there are voters out there than cannot answer simple questions like naming the three branches of government. I work with people that cannot answer these simple questions. How can one live in such ignorance of the very system they are subjugated to on a daily basis? Maybe a one time test like the ones given to aliens before gaining citizenship?

Very good.

 

[Hum Dinger]

My logic?

This is what I was saying earlier abouty people not actually reading what is there but instead inserting what they WANT to believe is there.

You are running off on a pet tangent instead of simply answering what is asked.

And the tangent is expanded.

Followed by a non sequitor.

And ended with more assumption.

If you believe the founders thought the nation should be taxed or involved in foreign entaglements or deeply in debt from entitlements then you have never read the Constituton, the declaration of indepenadnce or the federalist papers.

Section 8
1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Xeno - you do make a jackass of yourself quite often. You should think a little before your blurb.

Negged for stupidity.

Like a lot of noobs, learn to be civil or get used to it, I did not make a 'jackass' of myself, nor do I ever do so, only a half wit or a moron would think so. An income tax was imposed by amendment decades after the founders were long dead.

Now that you are through making a fool of yourself, learn from the mistake and next time avoid getting personal.

I can see the topic did exactly what I intended, it hit home and made people think, but more importantly it exposed a lot of people as assumers who don't pay attention and see what they want to see and respond accordingly.

First of Xeno, yes, you are constantly making a jackass out of yourself.

Secondly, you stated:

"If you believe the founders thought the nation should be taxed..."

You did not mention anything about "income tax", just tax.

wiggle, wiggle...

Jackass!

 

[LibocalypseNow]

I do find it pretty bizarre that so many Socialists/Progressives who don't pay any taxes at all are always whining about those supposed evil tax cuts for the wealthy. Most of these whiny Socialists/Progressives aren't even working and are stealing from others so they can continue sitting on their fat arses. If you are on Welfare,i do have to question whether or not you should be allowed to vote. I definitely don't think people not paying taxes should even dare offer their opinions on taxation issues. Their opinions on such issues just don't matter in the end. How can you whine about all those supposed rich people getting tax cuts when you don't even pay taxes yourself? Seems pretty crazy to me. All that being said,i still have to vote Yes on the OP's original question. I do this with extreme apprehension though.

 

[Hum Dinger]

I do find it pretty bizarre that so many Socialists/Progressives who don't pay any taxes at all are always whining about those supposed evil tax cuts for the wealthy. Most of these whiny Socialists/Progressives aren't even working and are stealing from others so they can continue sitting on their fat arses. If you are on Welfare,i do have to question whether or not you should be allowed to vote. I definitely don't think people not paying taxes should even dare offer their opinions on taxation issues. Their opinions on such issues just don't matter in the end. How can you whine about all those supposed rich people getting tax cuts when you don't even pay taxes yourself? Seems pretty crazy to me. All that being said,i still have to vote Yes on the OP's original question. I do this with extreme apprehension though.

I don't know what fantasy world you live in, but I know dozens of liberal progressives. All of them work and all pay taxes. I've never met one that has ever been on welfare.

I pay well over 30% in taxes.

Most working people submit a simple 1040 or 1040EZ which doesn't allow for much in the way of loopholes. I don' know who it is out there that doesn't pay taxes. I paid taxes when I was making $18k/yr.

Me thinks that however they came up with the statistic saying that 50% of th people don't pay taxes is highly questionable.

Are they counting children or something?

This statistic must have come from some wingnut group...the TPs, probably.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

I have run into people who were collecting Welfare checks and were actually whining incessantly about all those rich people getting those evil tax cuts. Seriously,i have seen this on numerous occasions. People who are stealing from others while sitting on their fat arses complaining about tax cuts? Can it get any more bizarre & ignorant than that? At least get a job and start paying taxes first before you start whining about all those "evil" tax cuts. Just a suggestion anyway. Yikes!

 

[LibocalypseNow]

On a side note,i think it would be very interesting to find out just how much most Socialists/Progressives on this board have actually paid in taxes in recent years. How many were collecting Government hand-outs in recent years? These people are always the first ones to whine about all those "evil" tax cuts for the wealthy. That's been my experience anyway. They don't pay taxes and even steal from others yet they feel they have the right to b*tch about tax cuts. It would be interesting to find this stuff out. Hmm?

 

[FA_Q2]

On a side note,i think it would be very interesting to find out just how much most Socialists/Progressives on this board have actually paid in taxes in recent years. How many were collecting Government hand-outs in recent years? These people are always the first ones to whine about all those "evil" tax cuts for the wealthy. That's been my experience anyway. They don't pay taxes and even steal from others yet they feel they have the right to b*tch about tax cuts. It would be interesting to find this stuff out. Hmm?

I would not want to push that if I were you. I would be willing to bet they are on par with the conservatives on paying taxes. Some just simply believe that the government needs more or can spend it better than they can. Conservatives know better.

 

[editec]

On a side note,i think it would be very interesting to find out just how much most Socialists/Progressives on this board have actually paid in taxes in recent years. How many were collecting Government hand-outs in recent years? These people are always the first ones to whine about all those "evil" tax cuts for the wealthy. That's been my experience anyway. They don't pay taxes and even steal from others yet they feel they have the right to b*tch about tax cuts. It would be interesting to find this stuff out. Hmm?

How many weathy don't pay Federal income taxes and collect checks from the government?

I can think of two people I know personally who haven't worked in decades who are social security and who are worth millions.

One of them never had a job, incidently...not one, ever!

Should she not be allowed to vote?

 

[edthecynic]

I do find it pretty bizarre that so many Socialists/Progressives who don't pay any taxes at all are always whining about those supposed evil tax cuts for the wealthy. Most of these whiny Socialists/Progressives aren't even working and are stealing from others so they can continue sitting on their fat arses. If you are on Welfare,i do have to question whether or not you should be allowed to vote. I definitely don't think people not paying taxes should even dare offer their opinions on taxation issues. Their opinions on such issues just don't matter in the end. How can you whine about all those supposed rich people getting tax cuts when you don't even pay taxes yourself? Seems pretty crazy to me. All that being said,i still have to vote Yes on the OP's original question. I do this with extreme apprehension though.

I don't know what fantasy world you live in, but I know dozens of liberal progressives. All of them work and all pay taxes. I've never met one that has ever been on welfare.

I pay well over 30% in taxes.

Most working people submit a simple 1040 or 1040EZ which doesn't allow for much in the way of loopholes. I don' know who it is out there that doesn't pay taxes. I paid taxes when I was making $18k/yr.

Me thinks that however they came up with the statistic saying that 50% of th people don't pay taxes is highly questionable.

Are they counting children or something?

This statistic must have come from some wingnut group...the TPs, probably.

You have to understand that the lazy CON$ervative slackers are extremely envious of the fact that Liberals on the average earn more income than CON$. But rather than getting a job and working to achieve the income Libs earn, CON$ simply declare themselves the achievers and the Libs the slackers. See the first quote in my sig.