Oral Arguments in "Opt-out" Case

[westwall]

Discussion of marriage has always been done in school

What if your child’s teacher is getting married and tells her class about her same sex spouse?

Should your child opt out?

Same sex marriage happens. No need to protect children from it.

No, it hasn't.

 

[elektra]

Guess what?
People of the same sex get married

Schools should not pretend they don’t.

People of the same sex "married" cant do the same things normal couple do.

The two, are actually not the same thing, quit calling them the same

 

[rightwinger]

People of the same sex "married" cant do the same things normal couple do.

The two, are actually not the same thing, quit calling them the same

No two marriages are the same
Same sex marriages can be as fulfilling as any marriage

 

[elektra]

No two marriages are the same
Same sex marriages can be as fulfilling as any marriage

No they cant. They are not the same thing.

 

[martybegan]

Was Loving vs Virginia?

No, that one was correct, because race was something specifically called out by the reconstruction amendments and race in a marriage is meaningless.

 

[rightwinger]

No, that one was correct, because race was something specifically called out by the reconstruction amendments and race in a marriage is meaningless.

Courts were consistent in deciding the state has no business in deciding who you could marry and the state could not prove any damage

No harm, no foul

 

[rightwinger]

No they cant. They are not the same thing.

Afraid a same sex marriage is just as valid as yours

 

[martybegan]

Courts were consistent in deciding the state has no business in deciding who you could marry and the state could not prove any damage

No harm, no foul

In the matter of race with Loving.

Changing the marriage contract to include same sex couples is a matter for legislatures, not the courts.

At most Obergfell should have made all States recognize SSM licenses issued by other States under full faith and credit, that's it.

 

[martybegan]

Afraid a same sex marriage is just as valid as yours

That is your opinion. In the eyes of certain people the concept simply doesn't exist.

 

[rightwinger]

That is your opinion. In the eyes of certain people the concept simply doesn't exist.

That is the law

You don’t have to respect their marriage, they don’t have to respect yours

 

[martybegan]

That is the law

You don’t have to respect their marriage, they don’t have to respect yours

Then you should have said "Afraid a same sex marriage is just as legally valid as yours

 

[rightwinger]

Changing the marriage contract to include same sex couples is a matter for legislatures, not the courts.

14th Amendment says otherwise

 

[rightwinger]

Then you should have said "Afraid a same sex marriage is just as legally valid as yours

That is all the law can do
They can’t legislate your hatred

 

[martybegan]

14th Amendment says otherwise

The majority in Plessey thought the 14th amendment said otherwise as well.

 

[martybegan]

That is all the law can do
They can’t legislate your hatred

Viewpoints, not hatred.

Not believing in same sex marriage is hatred?

 

[rightwinger]

Viewpoints, not hatred.

Not believing in same sex marriage is hatred?

Yes it is

 

[martybegan]

Yes it is

No, it isn't.

 

[Zincwarrior]

That is your opinion. In the eyes of certain people the concept simply doesn't exist.

In the eyes of some people gays, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, or Christians shouldn't exist. Thats why dogs are better.

 

[martybegan]

In the eyes of some people gays, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, or Christians shouldn't exist. Thats why dogs are better.

There is a huge difference between saying a concept of marriage shouldn't exist and saying whole peoples shouldn't exist.

 

[Zincwarrior]

There is a huge difference between saying a concept of marriage shouldn't exist and saying whole peoples shouldn't exist.

Not if we are ruled by the views of "some people."