Opinion: "Asking voters is not the way to end the death penalty"

[Rigby5]

I do not believe that to be true.

But......vaccine's are often times temporary. Just like how people have to get the flu vaccine every year.




It's nowhere near that simple. Anecdotal examples do not mean a lot but my cousin is a doctor. He is pretty right leaning. He built a house on top of a mountain so he could shoot off his guns whenever he wanted. He is an ER doctor. He has said "get the vaccine" that few people he see's in the ER are vaccinated.

Totally and completely wrong.
Vaccines are NEVER temporary.
The closest to "temporary" is tetanus, which needs a booster every 15 years or so.

The reason you do not have immunity to this year's flu even though vaccinated for flu last year, is that it is an entirely DIFFERENT virus we incorrectly label as "flu".
Vaccines are NEVER temporary.

The mRNA injections are NOT vaccines, but that does not mean they do not help in some ways.
By getting our own cells to start growing spike proteins, it temporarily boosts antibody production.
That is not a vaccine, but just a temporary treatment.

 

[pknopp]

Totally and completely wrong.
Vaccines are NEVER temporary.
The closest to "temporary" is tetanus, which needs a booster every 15 years or so.

The reason you do not have immunity to this year's flu even though vaccinated for flu last year, is that it is an entirely DIFFERENT virus we incorrectly label as "flu".
Vaccines are NEVER temporary.

The mRNA injections are NOT vaccines, but that does not mean they do not help in some ways.
By getting our own cells to start growing spike proteins, it temporarily boosts antibody production.
That is not a vaccine, but just a temporary treatment.

Covid is changing also.

 

[bendog]

Totally and completely wrong.
Vaccines are NEVER temporary.
The closest to "temporary" is tetanus, which needs a booster every 15 years or so.

The reason you do not have immunity to this year's flu even though vaccinated for flu last year, is that it is an entirely DIFFERENT virus we incorrectly label as "flu".
Vaccines are NEVER temporary.

The mRNA injections are NOT vaccines, but that does not mean they do not help in some ways.
By getting our own cells to start growing spike proteins, it temporarily boosts antibody production.
That is not a vaccine, but just a temporary treatment.

But does a yearly flu vaccine give any long term immunity to even the specific flu virus mutation it is designed for?

 

[Resnic]

End the death penalty?

As far as I'm concerned we don't use it nearly enough.

Maybe if criminals were afraid of the death penalty, afraid of cops, afraid of judges sentencing them, afraid of being turned in by law hiding citizens then our country wouldn't be in such pitiful shape.

 

[hadit]

No, Jesus most certainly did NOT at all honor Mosaic Law, which stoned adulterers to death.
He said to let those who are without sin to cast the first stone.
So he was totally and completely against capital punishment.

On the contrary, He took the punishment for sin, as outlined in the Law, upon Himself. He didn't declare the punishments in the Law to be wrong.

The fact he did not try to contradict Mosaic law directly is not because he believed in Mosaic law, but that he knew it would not work.
He had no legal basis for a legal challenge, because he could not admit Moses was wrong.
That would have thrown away the previous legitimacy that Christianity was based on.
It would be saying God used to be wrong.

And He wasn't. That's why Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law, not destroy it. Just as, when you were a child in school, the headmaster had authority to tell you when you could eat and drink, when you could go to the bathroom, and what to wear, but now that you are an adult, he no longer has authority over you. He's not wrong, his rules are not wrong, they have replaced by a different set of rules, the ones created by society to govern how you live as an adult. Jesus finished the Law and gave us the Law of Grace but didn't destroy the Law that already existed. And why live under that Law anymore when we don't need to?

But it most certainly does NOT at all indicate Jesus supported capital punishment in any way.
Clearly we now all admit that Mosaic Law WAS wrong in almost all ways.
Moses supported slavery, murder, theft, etc.
The Hebrew refugees from the Exodus from Egypt should NEVER have attacked and murdered the Canaanites.
That was totally wrong and clearly a sin.

Yet they were commanded by God to do so. Interesting, isn't it, that former slaves after wandering friendless through the desert for 40 years were able to so completely overwhelm the fortified cities of the Canaanites, who had plenty of warning they were coming? Kind of like tiny modern-day Israel being able to humiliatingly beat back the massive surrounding nations out to destroy them. It's almost as if they're being protected by supernatural forces or something.

 

[Rigby5]

Covid is changing also.

Not really.
All that happening is that the most common strain is switching from one to another, as the most successful out competes the less successful.
All strains always existed most likely.

 

[Rigby5]

But does a yearly flu vaccine give any long term immunity to even the specific flu virus mutation it is designed for?

Yes, if something is a vaccine, and contains dead or inactivated virus, then you get life long immunity in most cases.
The immune system stores long term immunity in T-cells in the bone marrow.
Some how they append the immunity info onto the end of their DNA, so when these T-cells replicate and die, they pass on their learned immunity.

There has never before been something called a vaccine that did not give long term immunity.
And by long term I mean at least 10 years like tetanus, and usually more like 35 to 50 years.
So clearly these 6 month mRNA injections can not possibly be a vaccine.
They contain NOTHING to memorize or trigger on.

 

[HenryBHough]

I probably - though not certainly - might join in objection to the death penalty the every moment someone can document a single case of an executed murderer returning from the dead to kill again. Mere appearance of death (as in recent images of certain "Democrat politicians) does NOT constitute actual death.

 

[Rigby5]

End the death penalty?

As far as I'm concerned we don't use it nearly enough.

Maybe if criminals were afraid of the death penalty, afraid of cops, afraid of judges sentencing them, afraid of being turned in by law hiding citizens then our country wouldn't be in such pitiful shape.

I disagree.
First of all, the main cause of murder in this country is caused by the War on Drugs.
It entices an underground cash economy that can not use banks or police.
We already should have learned that from the failure of Prohibition, which also caused murder rates to skyrocket.

Second is that when a government executes, it teaches that murder is acceptable.
If government can kill, then any one can, since government is supposed to be beneath us and less empowered.
As far as fear goes, human nature is to destroy that which causes fear, and any government you fear should rightly be destroyed.

 

[pknopp]

Not really.
All that happening is that the most common strain is switching from one to another, as the most successful out competes the less successful.
All strains always existed most likely.

Most likely.....

OK Dr Rigby.

 

[Rigby5]

I probably - though not certainly - might join in objection to the death penalty the every moment someone can document a single case of an executed murderer returning from the dead to kill again. Mere appearance of death (as in recent images of certain "Democrat politicians) does NOT constitute actual death.

First there is no doubt we have executed innocents.
That is well documented.
Second is that if government can kill, it teaches that anyone can.
In fact, is implies killing is not bad.

 

[Rigby5]

Most likely.....

OK Dr Rigby.

The only other way you can get variants quickly, beside the fact they could have always existed, is because more than one virus strain can inject is RNA or DNA into the same cell, and you get a mixture.
Normally the time frame for viable mutations is on the order of millions of years.
It can be a little quicker for something simple and short lived, but still at least thousands of years.
You are NOT going to get viable mutations in hundreds of years.
Mutations are random damage, like from radiation, and are almost always non-viable junk as a result.

 

[pknopp]

The only other way you can get variants quickly, beside the fact they could have always existed, is because more than one virus strain can inject is RNA or DNA into the same cell, and you get a mixture.
Normally the time frame for viable mutations is on the order of millions of years.
It can be a little quicker for something simple and short lived, but still at least thousands of years.
You are NOT going to get viable mutations in hundreds of years.
Mutations are random damage, like from radiation, and are almost always non-viable junk as a result.

Facts are we know there is not just one variety of covid.

 

[struth]

Most states have not used the death penalty or rarely used in the last 50 years. Only the “Bible Belt” states insist on it. It is the way they honor Jesus

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Cali isn’t in the Bible belt and still use it…the dem run federal govt still has it as well

 

[Rigby5]

Facts are we know there is not just one variety of covid.

There was likely never just one variety of covid.
Covid varieties have likely been around for millions of years.

The point of the spike proteins is that they open up the ACE2 receptors on our cells.
The purpose of the ACE2 receptors is to let in exosomes that request access by inserting their spike protein.
So how did coronaviruses get to have a spike protein that only exosomes are supposed to have?
The theory is that the original coronaviruses were at one time exosomes that were damaged and started growing out of control, like a tumor.
There is likely no natural way coronaviruses could have evolved to mimic exosome spike proteins any other way.

 

[pknopp]

There was likely never just one variety of covid.
Covid varieties have likely been around for millions of years.

The point of the spike proteins is that they open up the ACE2 receptors on our cells.
The purpose of the ACE2 receptors is to let in exosomes that request access by inserting their spike protein.
So how did coronaviruses get to have a spike protein that only exosomes are supposed to have?
The theory is that the original coronaviruses were at one time exosomes that were damaged and started growing out of control, like a tumor.
There is likely no natural way coronaviruses could have evolved to mimic exosome spike proteins any other way.

They may have been around........so one vaccine is not going to be a cure all.

 

[rightwinger]

Cali isn’t in the Bible belt and still use it…the dem run federal govt still has it as well

California has not executed anyone in 38 years
Federal Government hadn’t executed anyone in over ten years until Trump went on a rampage and killed 13. Look for Biden to commute the sentences on all Federal death cases before he leaves

 

[OKTexas]

Most states have not used the death penalty or rarely used in the last 50 years. Only the “Bible Belt” states insist on it. It is the way they honor Jesus

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All these commie tears for criminals and an insistence we add to the 64 million dead babies since 1973. At least the criminals have due process before they are terminated.

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[gmeyers1944]

Most of the civilized world realizes a death penalty is barbaric justice. Most states also realize the same thing and have abandoned it.

The US, along with China, India and the Islamic World are the only ones who still rely on eye for an eye justice

Genesis 9:6 “Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man”. This is not eye for an eye. I value the life of the person whose life was taken. It should be an option to make the murderer pay by the forfeit of their own life .

 

[Meathead]

Democracy is sacred and grants legitimacy to our political process unless progressives want something different then they simply invoke the language of human rights and bypass the entire system

Asking voters is not the way to end the death penalty

Since 1968, the public has been called upon to vote on capital punishment 18 different times. In every case, it was upheld.

thehill.com

The people support the death penalty for the same reason they flush their toilets. Fuck the liberal elite.