Zone1 Openly Gay Man Allowed to Baptize People

FJB said:
It depends on the circumstance. I would never welcome a male stranger into a female restroom for instance. Especially a school restroom. The police would be welcoming him to prison instead.
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Exactly, but he is I believe going to go the illegal immigrant route so we will see
 
FJB said:
It depends on the circumstance. I would never welcome a male stranger into a female restroom for instance. Especially a school restroom. The police would be welcoming him to prison instead.
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What a fixation.
 
Frankenstein said:
Never said people can't do what they want, they aren't christian, that is the crux of my argument!
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You want to deny them the freedom to be gay Christians because you are fixated on your own obsessions.
 
Frankenstein said:
Really are you going to play the Jesus didn't say it? The Bible is the inerrant word of God, the Bible clearly teaches against homosexuality
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The passage about Sodom & Gomorrah?
The commandment that states "Do not commit adultery"?

Is that passage not intended for all people? Is that commandment not intended for all people?

What did Jesus say about homosexuality?

Why pick out less than a half dozen sentences that primarily relate to promiscuity and ignore the hundreds and hundreds of sentences that state not to persecute, not to judge, not to harm others but help others, (especially the persecuted and oppressed)?

Jesus taught that he did not come to abolish the Law (The Old Testament) but to fulfill it. When Jesus was asked what the most important commandments are, he stated:

29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. ’There is no commandment greater than these.” (Mark 12:28-31) Also stated in Luke 10 and Matthew 22.

This is one of the few passages that is in at least 3 Gospels - which stresses the importance of the passage. "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength" sums up the first 4 (of the 10) commandments found in both the Book of Exodus and Deuteronomy. "Love Your Neighbor as Yourself" is also taken from the Book of Leviticus.

These two commandants appear in 3 Books of the Old Testament, 3 of the Gospels and are also referenced later by the Apostles.


Then there are a myriad of verses about judging others:

Matthew 7:1-5
1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?
5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Luke 6:37

37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Luke6:41-42

41 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
42 How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."

John 8:7

7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”

Luke 6:31

31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.

Luke 6:36

36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

James 4:11-12

11 Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it.
12 There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?
Romans 2:1
1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

Romans 14:4
4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
Romans 14:10
10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister ? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat.
Romans 14:13
13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister.
Romans 12:16
16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.
Romans 12:18
18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.



Personally, I tend to focus on the stronger messages, that are repeated over and over - in both the Old and New Testaments.
 
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FJB said:
How can they be Christians let alone baptize other Christians when their beliefs don't match the Bible?
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There isn't a Christian on the face of this planet whose total beliefs and actions match the Bible in whole.
 
Ace Nova said:
The passage about Sodom & Gomorrah?
The commandment that states "Do not commit adultery"?

Is that passage not intended for all people? Is that commandment not intended for all people?

What did Jesus say about homosexuality?

Why pick out less than a half dozen sentences that primarily relate to promiscuity and ignore the hundreds and hundreds of sentences that state not to persecute, not to judge, not to harm others but help others, (especially the persecuted and oppressed)?

Jesus taught that he did not come to abolish the Law (The Old Testament) but to fulfill it. When Jesus was asked what the most important commandments are, he stated:

29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. ’There is no commandment greater than these.” (Mark 12:28-31) Also stated in Luke 10 and Matthew 22.

This is one of the few passages that is in at least 3 Gospels - which stresses the importance of the passage. "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength" sums up the first 4 (of the 10) commandments found in both the Book of Exodus and Deuteronomy. "Love Your Neighbor as Yourself" is also taken from the Book of Leviticus.

These two commandants appear in 3 Books of the Old Testament, 3 of the Gospels and are also referenced later by the Apostles.


Then there are a myriad of verses about judging others:

Matthew 7:1-5
1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?
5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Luke 6:37

37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Luke6:41-42

41 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
42 How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."

John 8:7

7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”

Luke 6:31

31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.

Luke 6:36

36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

James 4:11-12

11 Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it.
12 There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?
Romans 2:1
1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

Romans 14:4
4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
Romans 14:10
10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister ? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat.
Romans 14:13
13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister.
Romans 12:16
16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.
Romans 12:18
18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.



Personally, I tend to focus on the stronger messages, that are repeated over and over - in both the Old and New Testaments.
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Do you believe the bible is inspired by God written down by men?if you do you do not act like it! They judge themselves by their actions!
 
cnm said:
I'm saying such a fixation on imaginary fears is an attribute of the Christian Taliban.

Allah Akbar...
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Their are thirteen nations where people face death if they are not Muslim. I find it interesting that some are praising gay people--not for being Christian--but for being gay.

Are adulterers praised for adultery over being Christian?
 
To be a true Christian, one must follow the commandments of God. Homosexuality is not only a sin to God but an abomination.

Leviticus 18:22-25
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.


Leviticus 20:13
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1:26-27
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Homosexual Behavior​


For one to be able to baptize another they must hold the priesthood of God. You cannot simply take the priesthood upon yourself but you must receive it by ordination by one who already holds the priesthood. Regarding priesthood, Paul taught the Hebrews the following:

Hebrews 5:1,4-6
1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:
4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Ordained ministers of God only are allowed to administer in the ordinances of the gospel. Thus the laying on of hands of one who has authority can give the gift of the Holy Ghost as well. Priesthood is essential in the church of Jesus Christ.
 
FJB said:
It depends on the circumstance. I would never welcome a male stranger into a female restroom for instance. Especially a school restroom. The police would be welcoming him to prison instead.
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You should plant brain seeds in your head and see if one grows.
 
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