One Term Donnie

[Toddsterpatriot]

That’s right. He won’t be re-elected. His cowardly and enormously stupid cold blooded killing of the general has needlessly inflamed the region, and now Americans will die.

He campaigned on nonintervention, just as his two lying predecessors did, but now we know he too is a liar.

Donnie just made Sniify Joe look like a foreign policy expert. God help us.

LESSEE:

1. 1-Term Donnie.
2. Cowardly.
3. Stupid Cold-Blooded Killing.
4. Needlessly inflamed.
5. American will die.

Are you willing to lay down a bet he won't be reelected? What are you willing to put up?

Coward. Support that claim with facts, not emotions.

Cold-Blooded Killing. You mean like the hundreds of Americans the general killed that you were OK with?

Needlessly inflamed. Oh you mean we should have just left well enough alone like before when they were just trying to burn down our embassy, attack out ships, while chanting death to America?

Americans will die. Hey DUMBASS, Americans were already dying. Why don't you go lick some Ayatollah ass, since you seem to like it so much.

Yet another dumb fuck American totally clueless, thanks to consuming propaganda generated by billionaires and a criminal government.

PLEASE GET INFORMED...ASSHOLE!
The US Government Lies Constantly, And The Burden Of Proof Is On The Accuser
The US Government Lies Constantly, And The Burden Of Proof Is On The Accuser

In reality there’s no evidence for any of the reasons we’ve been offered for why Iran needed to be provoked into an almost inevitable retaliation that Trump is currently tweeting will result in all-out war:

• The claim that Soleimani posed an “imminent threat” is completely without evidence, rumored to be “razor thin“, and entirely debunked in this excellent essay by Craig Murray.
• Mike Pence’s claim that Soleimani assisted 9/11 terrorists is so ridiculous that even the war-loving Washington Post dismissed it.
• There’s no proof that Soleimani directed the strike that allegedly killed a US contractor, or that that contractor even existed.
• There’s no proof that Soleimani was involved in any “attack” on any US embassy, leaving aside the obvious fact that a little graffiti on the walls wouldn’t justify his assassination if he did.
• The “hundreds of American deaths” line you hear regurgitated by everyone from Trump to Elizabeth Warren actually refers to Iraqis defending themselves from an illegal US invasion with some training from Iran. The claim that Iran was behind Iraqi bombs is withoutevidence and wouldn’t matter if it were true; claiming the inhabitants of an invaded nation don’t have the right to defend themselves is absurd, regardless of where they got their weaponry.
• The claim that Soleimani was “a terrorist” is only made because the branch of the Iranian military he commanded was arbitrarily designated a terrorist organization by the US government last year, a designation that any foreign government could just as easily make for any branch of the US military. He was actually a fearsome enemy of ISIS and al-Qaeda and played a massive role in halting the spread of ISIS.

An attack may be deemed “imminent”, according to the Bethlehem Doctrine, even if you know no details of it or when it might occur. So you may be assassinated by a drone or bomb strike – and the doctrine was specifically developed to justify such strikes – because of “intelligence” you are engaged in a plot, when that intelligence neither says what the plot is nor when it might occur. Or even more tenuous, because there is intelligence you have engaged in a plot before, so it is reasonable to kill you in case you do so again.

Lies, the Bethlehem Doctrine, and the Illegal Murder of Soleimani - Craig Murray

He's been killing and plotting to kill Americans, for decades.
Fuck 'em.

That is complete bullshit, propaganda, and there is no proof of that.

In fact, all evidence is to the contrary. If you had a clue about the history of this guy, he is the moderate voice in Iran, has worked clandestinely with the U.S. before, and has always been patient in trying to get things done w/o blood shed.

Point of fact, the reason the US and Israelis knew his whereabouts? He was on a PEACE MISSION, trying to end the conflict between Yemen and Saudi Arabia. I know the War profiteers would have hated that. . .

Soleimani Was in Iraq on Peace Mission When US Assassinated Him, Trump Lied About “Imminent Attacks” – USSA News | The Tea Party's Front Page

Soleimani Was in Iraq on Peace Mission When US Assassinated Him, Trump Lied About "Imminent Attacks"

What drives the U.S. nuts, is he is better at asymmetrical warfare. To think the Iranians are going to stop, or that he didn't train his commanders in this type of warfare? Complete insanity.

Just because you label someone a "terrorist" does not make them one.

In fact, all evidence is to the contrary. If you had a clue about the history of this guy, he is the moderate voice in Iran,

Compared to all the thugs in Iran, if this murderous asshole was a moderate, we've got more work to do.

Just because you label someone a "terrorist" does not make them one.​

Just because you cry when we kill a terrorist, does not mean we should stop.​

 

[NightFox]

That’s right. He won’t be re-elected. His cowardly and enormously stupid cold blooded killing of the general has needlessly inflamed the region, and now Americans will die.

He campaigned on nonintervention, just as his two lying predecessors did, but now we know he too is a liar.

Donnie just made Sniify Joe look like a foreign policy expert. God help us.

Good job on questioning the official story regarding the killing of Soleimani, the war hawk establishment in Washington never bats an eye about telling the BIG LIE in order to get their way, it isn't the guy in the Oval Office you have to worry about, it's the military industrial complex and all its warmongering sycophants that inhabit Washington that are the real problem. Personally I don't buy the story coming out of Washington and being parroted by the media, too many things don't make sense about this.

However I think you're probably mistaken regarding the effect this will have on Donny's re-election chances; Georgey Boy campaigned on non-interventionism and no nation building yet started a war on blatantly false premises and cruised to re-election without a hitch, O'Nimrod wasn't much better, he talked a good game but when it came time to shed blood overseas he kowtowed to War Inc. like the good little politician he is and was easily re-elected.

All in all this probably helps Donny get re-elected since the American people just love it when a President goes all John Wayne and starts killing evil foreigners with smart bombs.

"We like war! We're a war-like people! We like war because we're good at it! You know why we're good at it? Cause we get a lot of practice. This country's only 200 years old and already, we've had 10 major wars. We average a major war every 20 years in this country so we're good at it! And it's a good thing we are; we're not very good at anything else anymore! Huh? Can't build a decent car, can't make a TV set or a VCR worth a fuck, got no steel industry left, can't educate our young people, can't get health care to our old people, but we can bomb the shit out of your country all right! Huh? Especially if your country is full of brown people; oh we like that don't we? That's our hobby! That's our new job in the world: bombing brown people. Iraq, Panama, Grenada, Libya, you got some brown people in your country, tell them to watch the fuck out or we'll goddamn bomb them!" -- George Carlin

Thank you Congresswoman Ihlan Omar!

BTW, that was from 1992!

Speaking of bloodthirsty warmongers ....

Criticizing warfare never fails to summon them; pentagram optional.

I oppose war in this case, but the Iranians seem hell bent on it.

Now, how about addressing the errors in your thinking and outright lies that have been illustrated.

Uh-huh, okay "Admiral"... thanks for your input pursuant to showing me the errors of my ways, consider me duly chastised.

.. Now feel free to return to your armchair where you can resume command of your vast legions mowing down the enemies of freedom and justice with reckless abandon.

"America, fuck yeah! Comin' again to save the motherfuckin' day, yeah" -- Team America

 

[LoneLaugher]

Let’s hope Americans vote out this warmonger in November. He has lost his mind.

Don't count on it, like I said earlier George W. actually started a completely unnecessary war using fabricated justifications and easily cruised to re-election in 2004.

Also consider that Donny probably isn't the real warmonger in this case, the REAL warmongers aren't elected they're appointed "advisers", career bureaucrats, private "contractors" and creatures living in "think tanks". Thus the problem isn't the douche bag we choose to put in the oval office it's the SYSTEM that surrounds the oval office that is the real source of our propensity for war.

The Donald is now yet another American president ensnared in the kind of tit-for-tat trap that is the modus operandi of Empire First.

Stockman certainly hit the nail on the head; "Empire First" should be the the new national motto it's certainly far more apropos than "In God We Trust" , after all if we trusted in God we wouldn't need to go gallivanting around the globe murdering foreigners just to please the cabal of warmongering psychopaths that inhabit the Federal Government.

^^^^^ This is how a person absolves a president of his responsibility as CIC^^^^

^^^^^ This is how a hyper-partisan dingbat wholly enmeshed in the political crime family brainwashing apparatus tries to FIX THE BLAME instead of worrying about identifying the ROOT CAUSE of the PROBLEM^^^^

No. Sorry. You gave Trump a pass there. Bush started his war...but Donny isn’t the REAL warmonger. It’s someone else.

Please.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Let’s hope Americans vote out this warmonger in November. He has lost his mind.

Don't count on it, like I said earlier George W. actually started a completely unnecessary war using fabricated justifications and easily cruised to re-election in 2004.

Also consider that Donny probably isn't the real warmonger in this case, the REAL warmongers aren't elected they're appointed "advisers", career bureaucrats, private "contractors" and creatures living in "think tanks". Thus the problem isn't the douche bag we choose to put in the oval office it's the SYSTEM that surrounds the oval office that is the real source of our propensity for war.

The Donald is now yet another American president ensnared in the kind of tit-for-tat trap that is the modus operandi of Empire First.

Stockman certainly hit the nail on the head; "Empire First" should be the the new national motto it's certainly far more apropos than "In God We Trust" , after all if we trusted in God we wouldn't need to go gallivanting around the globe murdering foreigners just to please the cabal of warmongering psychopaths that inhabit the Federal Government.

^^^^^ This is how a person absolves a president of his responsibility as CIC^^^^

^^^^^ This is how a hyper-partisan dingbat wholly enmeshed in the political crime family brainwashing apparatus tries to FIX THE BLAME instead of worrying about identifying the ROOT CAUSE of the PROBLEM^^^^

You thought that was a winner, gipper? Hmmm.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Have you noticed that those on the left and the right respond any differently when you tell them that they are no different from each other?

I’m use to being attacked by those on the left and right. Anyone who opposes their ignorance will be attacked.

Yes. I get that. You’ve made that clear.

My question references the nature of the attacks. Do you find any differences there?

Not really both sides are unhinged and their beliefs aren’t based on the facts.

When O was in office the left supported him unconditionally...now the right is doing the same thing with Dumb Don. I had hopes that those on the right weren’t as ignorant and hypocritical but here too, I was wrong.

Hmmm.

As you so grossly misjudged Donny, is it possible that you have grossly misjudged Obama?

Likewise, is it possible that you have miscalculated when it comes to the depth of the partisan hackery on the left and the right?

You need to recognize you are no different from the Trumpers, as you support a WELL KNOWN WARMONGER unconditionally. How is Ears any different from dumb Don? Both are warmongers, corporatists, and liars.

You seem to think you are better than Trumpers, because you recognize Donnie is a terrible asshole. Yet, you ignorantly cling to the absurd belief O is great. WTF.

Can you tell me which president in your lifetime did the job well enough to warrant reelection, please.

It is true that I believe that Obama was a far better person to lead this nation than is Trump. Do you think Trump is better leader?

 

[NightFox]

Let’s hope Americans vote out this warmonger in November. He has lost his mind.

Don't count on it, like I said earlier George W. actually started a completely unnecessary war using fabricated justifications and easily cruised to re-election in 2004.

Also consider that Donny probably isn't the real warmonger in this case, the REAL warmongers aren't elected they're appointed "advisers", career bureaucrats, private "contractors" and creatures living in "think tanks". Thus the problem isn't the douche bag we choose to put in the oval office it's the SYSTEM that surrounds the oval office that is the real source of our propensity for war.

The Donald is now yet another American president ensnared in the kind of tit-for-tat trap that is the modus operandi of Empire First.

Stockman certainly hit the nail on the head; "Empire First" should be the the new national motto it's certainly far more apropos than "In God We Trust" , after all if we trusted in God we wouldn't need to go gallivanting around the globe murdering foreigners just to please the cabal of warmongering psychopaths that inhabit the Federal Government.

^^^^^ This is how a person absolves a president of his responsibility as CIC^^^^

^^^^^ This is how a hyper-partisan dingbat wholly enmeshed in the political crime family brainwashing apparatus tries to FIX THE BLAME instead of worrying about identifying the ROOT CAUSE of the PROBLEM^^^^

No. Sorry. You gave Trump a pass there. Bush started his war...but Donny isn’t the REAL warmonger. It’s someone else.

Please.

LOL, that's exactly the sort of analysis that I would expect from someone with the intellect and perception of a cabbage patch doll.

Anyways... meeting over; back to /dev/null with ya, have a nice day.

 

[gipper]

I’m use to being attacked by those on the left and right. Anyone who opposes their ignorance will be attacked.

Yes. I get that. You’ve made that clear.

My question references the nature of the attacks. Do you find any differences there?

Not really both sides are unhinged and their beliefs aren’t based on the facts.

When O was in office the left supported him unconditionally...now the right is doing the same thing with Dumb Don. I had hopes that those on the right weren’t as ignorant and hypocritical but here too, I was wrong.

Hmmm.

As you so grossly misjudged Donny, is it possible that you have grossly misjudged Obama?

Likewise, is it possible that you have miscalculated when it comes to the depth of the partisan hackery on the left and the right?

You need to recognize you are no different from the Trumpers, as you support a WELL KNOWN WARMONGER unconditionally. How is Ears any different from dumb Don? Both are warmongers, corporatists, and liars.

You seem to think you are better than Trumpers, because you recognize Donnie is a terrible asshole. Yet, you ignorantly cling to the absurd belief O is great. WTF.

Can you tell me which president in your lifetime did the job well enough to warrant reelection, please.

It is true that I believe that Obama was a far better person to lead this nation than is Trump. Do you think Trump is better leader?

Not many. JFK is the only one that comes quickly to mind.

BTW are you a hypocrite? You criticize Nightfox claiming he is trying to minimize Trump’s involvement, then you do the exact same thing with Ears.

Do you see that you are no different from the Trumpers yet?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Yes. I get that. You’ve made that clear.

My question references the nature of the attacks. Do you find any differences there?

Not really both sides are unhinged and their beliefs aren’t based on the facts.

When O was in office the left supported him unconditionally...now the right is doing the same thing with Dumb Don. I had hopes that those on the right weren’t as ignorant and hypocritical but here too, I was wrong.

Hmmm.

As you so grossly misjudged Donny, is it possible that you have grossly misjudged Obama?

Likewise, is it possible that you have miscalculated when it comes to the depth of the partisan hackery on the left and the right?

You need to recognize you are no different from the Trumpers, as you support a WELL KNOWN WARMONGER unconditionally. How is Ears any different from dumb Don? Both are warmongers, corporatists, and liars.

You seem to think you are better than Trumpers, because you recognize Donnie is a terrible asshole. Yet, you ignorantly cling to the absurd belief O is great. WTF.

Can you tell me which president in your lifetime did the job well enough to warrant reelection, please.

It is true that I believe that Obama was a far better person to lead this nation than is Trump. Do you think Trump is better leader?

Not many. JFK is the only one that comes quickly to mind.

BTW are you a hypocrite? You criticize Nightfox claiming he is trying to minimize Trump’s involvement, then you do the exact same thing with Ears.

Do you see that you are no different from the Trumpers yet?

I don’t minimize Obama’s use of our military in ways that I found abhorrent. I wish he had stood firmer and refused to give in to the impulse to use force in the region. Those drone strikes were on his orders. They are his responsibility. Period.

However, I have real reasons to applaud his efforts to achieve peace in the region as well. There is really no support for your contention that there is no difference between he and Trump when it comes to this issue. Obama made a solid effort to bring about diplomatic solutions to the Iran nuclear problem. That’s not up for debate. He did that.

As citizens and voters, we make choices. You chose to vote against Obama and for Trump. That must mean that you determined that Trump is a more thoughtful and tempered leader when it comes to the use of our military might. You still supported Trump AFTER he blew up the Iran deal.

If you would still prefer Trump over Obama, you’ve failed to do enough introspection.

 

[toobfreak]

That’s right. He won’t be re-elected. His cowardly and enormously stupid cold blooded killing of the general has needlessly inflamed the region, and now Americans will die.

He campaigned on nonintervention, just as his two lying predecessors did, but now we know he too is a liar.

Donnie just made Sniify Joe look like a foreign policy expert. God help us.

Good job on questioning the official story regarding the killing of Soleimani, the war hawk establishment in Washington never bats an eye about telling the BIG LIE in order to get their way, it isn't the guy in the Oval Office you have to worry about, it's the military industrial complex and all its warmongering sycophants that inhabit Washington that are the real problem. Personally I don't buy the story coming out of Washington and being parroted by the media, too many things don't make sense about this.

However I think you're probably mistaken regarding the effect this will have on Donny's re-election chances; Georgey Boy campaigned on non-interventionism and no nation building yet started a war on blatantly false premises and cruised to re-election without a hitch, O'Nimrod wasn't much better, he talked a good game but when it came time to shed blood overseas he kowtowed to War Inc. like the good little politician he is and was easily re-elected.

All in all this probably helps Donny get re-elected since the American people just love it when a President goes all John Wayne and starts killing evil foreigners with smart bombs.

"We like war! We're a war-like people! We like war because we're good at it! You know why we're good at it? Cause we get a lot of practice. This country's only 200 years old and already, we've had 10 major wars. We average a major war every 20 years in this country so we're good at it! And it's a good thing we are; we're not very good at anything else anymore! Huh? Can't build a decent car, can't make a TV set or a VCR worth a fuck, got no steel industry left, can't educate our young people, can't get health care to our old people, but we can bomb the shit out of your country all right! Huh? Especially if your country is full of brown people; oh we like that don't we? That's our hobby! That's our new job in the world: bombing brown people. Iraq, Panama, Grenada, Libya, you got some brown people in your country, tell them to watch the fuck out or we'll goddamn bomb them!" -- George Carlin

Thank you Congresswoman Ihlan Omar!

BTW, that was from 1992!

The year matters not. Profound statements are timeless.

HEIL TRUMP...ACHTUNG!!!

Good God Gipper, get a gripper on yourself. Here again we see a beautiful example of the radical black and white polarized thinking of the cognitive dissonant resorting again to Godwin's Law. Now in a day, we have forgotten who we are dealing with and taken the bad people in all of this and transformed them into the victim somehow while overnight making Trump out to be "Adolf Hitler" because he has done the one thing which might end all of this conflict and hostility instead of keeping it alive another 40 years:

ACTUALLY FLOUT THE OPTION OF REAL WAR in the face of the Iranians at a cost they cannot pay instead of just another tit for tat conflagrating never ending police action that all of the progressive "civilized peace-lovers" of the world so proudly hold dear even as it has lead to almost a half century of unresolved hostility and conflict.

Can anyone here actually just keep their dick in their pocket for 5 minutes first before panicking to see how this all plays out?

Let's not forget who we are dealing with here, the Iranians have:

1. Seized and attacked our embassies.
2. Taken our people prisoner.
3. Conducted suicide bombings.
4. Attacked our military in their bases.
5. Mined the Persian Gulf.
6. Done severe damage to many of our vessels.
7. Sponsored terror organizations all over.
8. Facilitated the 9/11 hijackers.
9. Killed hundreds and hundreds of our diplomats, civilians and especially military.
10. Arrested and detained many of our people without cause or charge sometimes for decades.
11. Attempted to carry out an assassination right in Washington DC.
12. Attacked US interests worldwide.
13. Charged our ships for no apparent cause.
14. Seized our ships for no cause.
15. Carried out surveillance of our bases and airports in preparation to attack Americans.
16. Infiltrated our country with spies.
17. Made specific death threats against our leaders and country.
18. Persistently and stubbornly resisted and violated all efforts to monitor and limit their nuclear development.

And all for what? BECAUSE THEY ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO ABANDON THEIR HOSTILE, PROVOCATIVE HISTORY OF REPRESSION, AGGRESSION AND TERROR, making them too much of a potential threat to just "leave alone" and hope for the best.

Instead, we are diluting this all with conspiracy theories and chomping on our own leg. The VERY BEST THING that Iran could hope for right now as they unify into one cause is exactly what the Left is giving them: attacks on Trump, vilification of America as being the bad guy here, and especially, talk of reigning in Trump's ability to execute military campaigns. The Iranians would like nothing better here than to see America like all western countries pull back in self-doubt and self-imposed impotence yet again, thus reassuring them of our image as a paper tiger unlikely to ever really strike.

 

[gipper]

Not really both sides are unhinged and their beliefs aren’t based on the facts.

When O was in office the left supported him unconditionally...now the right is doing the same thing with Dumb Don. I had hopes that those on the right weren’t as ignorant and hypocritical but here too, I was wrong.

Hmmm.

As you so grossly misjudged Donny, is it possible that you have grossly misjudged Obama?

Likewise, is it possible that you have miscalculated when it comes to the depth of the partisan hackery on the left and the right?

You need to recognize you are no different from the Trumpers, as you support a WELL KNOWN WARMONGER unconditionally. How is Ears any different from dumb Don? Both are warmongers, corporatists, and liars.

You seem to think you are better than Trumpers, because you recognize Donnie is a terrible asshole. Yet, you ignorantly cling to the absurd belief O is great. WTF.

Can you tell me which president in your lifetime did the job well enough to warrant reelection, please.

It is true that I believe that Obama was a far better person to lead this nation than is Trump. Do you think Trump is better leader?

Not many. JFK is the only one that comes quickly to mind.

BTW are you a hypocrite? You criticize Nightfox claiming he is trying to minimize Trump’s involvement, then you do the exact same thing with Ears.

Do you see that you are no different from the Trumpers yet?

I don’t minimize Obama’s use of our military in ways that I found abhorrent. I wish he had stood firmer and refused to give in to the impulse to use force in the region. Those drone strikes were on his orders. They are his responsibility. Period.

However, I have real reasons to applaud his efforts to achieve peace in the region as well. There is really no support for your contention that there is no difference between he and Trump when it comes to this issue. Obama made a solid effort to bring about diplomatic solutions to the Iran nuclear problem. That’s not up for debate. He did that.

As citizens and voters, we make choices. You chose to vote against Obama and for Trump. That must mean that you determined that Trump is a more thoughtful and tempered leader when it comes to the use of our military might. You still supported Trump AFTER he blew up the Iran deal.

If you would still prefer Trump over Obama, you’ve failed to do enough introspection.

I find this statement may apply to you.

Maybe the dumbest thing in all US politics is the way liberals tend to cheer for regime change in Syria while conservatives tend to support regime change in Iran. In reality it's the same agenda: they're just arguing over which government to oust first. Amazing propaganda trick. - Caitlin Johnstone

 

[gipper]

That’s right. He won’t be re-elected. His cowardly and enormously stupid cold blooded killing of the general has needlessly inflamed the region, and now Americans will die.

He campaigned on nonintervention, just as his two lying predecessors did, but now we know he too is a liar.

Donnie just made Sniify Joe look like a foreign policy expert. God help us.

Good job on questioning the official story regarding the killing of Soleimani, the war hawk establishment in Washington never bats an eye about telling the BIG LIE in order to get their way, it isn't the guy in the Oval Office you have to worry about, it's the military industrial complex and all its warmongering sycophants that inhabit Washington that are the real problem. Personally I don't buy the story coming out of Washington and being parroted by the media, too many things don't make sense about this.

However I think you're probably mistaken regarding the effect this will have on Donny's re-election chances; Georgey Boy campaigned on non-interventionism and no nation building yet started a war on blatantly false premises and cruised to re-election without a hitch, O'Nimrod wasn't much better, he talked a good game but when it came time to shed blood overseas he kowtowed to War Inc. like the good little politician he is and was easily re-elected.

All in all this probably helps Donny get re-elected since the American people just love it when a President goes all John Wayne and starts killing evil foreigners with smart bombs.

"We like war! We're a war-like people! We like war because we're good at it! You know why we're good at it? Cause we get a lot of practice. This country's only 200 years old and already, we've had 10 major wars. We average a major war every 20 years in this country so we're good at it! And it's a good thing we are; we're not very good at anything else anymore! Huh? Can't build a decent car, can't make a TV set or a VCR worth a fuck, got no steel industry left, can't educate our young people, can't get health care to our old people, but we can bomb the shit out of your country all right! Huh? Especially if your country is full of brown people; oh we like that don't we? That's our hobby! That's our new job in the world: bombing brown people. Iraq, Panama, Grenada, Libya, you got some brown people in your country, tell them to watch the fuck out or we'll goddamn bomb them!" -- George Carlin

Thank you Congresswoman Ihlan Omar!

BTW, that was from 1992!

The year matters not. Profound statements are timeless.

HEIL TRUMP...ACHTUNG!!!

Good God Gipper, get a gripper on yourself. Here again we see a beautiful example of the radical black and white polarized thinking of the cognitive dissonant resorting again to Godwin's Law. Now in a day, we have forgotten who we are dealing with and taken the bad people in all of this and transformed them into the victim somehow while overnight making Trump out to be "Adolf Hitler" because he has done the one thing which might end all of this conflict and hostility instead of keeping it alive another 40 years:

ACTUALLY FLOUT THE OPTION OF REAL WAR in the face of the Iranians at a cost they cannot pay instead of just another tit for tat conflagrating never ending police action that all of the progressive "civilized peace-lovers" of the world so proudly hold dear even as it has lead to almost a half century of unresolved hostility and conflict.

Can anyone here actually just keep their dick in their pocket for 5 minutes first before panicking to see how this all plays out?

Let's not forget who we are dealing with here, the Iranians have:

1. Seized and attacked our embassies.
2. Taken our people prisoner.
3. Conducted suicide bombings.
4. Attacked our military in their bases.
5. Mined the Persian Gulf.
6. Done severe damage to many of our vessels.
7. Sponsored terror organizations all over.
8. Facilitated the 9/11 hijackers.
9. Killed hundreds and hundreds of our diplomats, civilians and especially military.
10. Arrested and detained many of our people without cause or charge sometimes for decades.
11. Attempted to carry out an assassination right in Washington DC.
12. Attacked US interests worldwide.
13. Charged our ships for no apparent cause.
14. Seized our ships for no cause.
15. Carried out surveillance of our bases and airports in preparation to attack Americans.
16. Infiltrated our country with spies.
17. Made specific death threats against our leaders and country.
18. Persistently and stubbornly resisted and violated all efforts to monitor and limit their nuclear development.

And all for what? BECAUSE THEY ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO ABANDON THEIR HOSTILE, PROVOCATIVE HISTORY OF REPRESSION, AGGRESSION AND TERROR, making them too much of a potential threat to just "leave alone" and hope for the best.

Instead, we are diluting this all with conspiracy theories and chomping on our own leg. The VERY BEST THING that Iran could hope for right now as they unify into one cause is exactly what the Left is giving them: attacks on Trump, vilification of America as being the bad guy here, and especially, talk of reigning in Trump's ability to execute military campaigns. The Iranians would like nothing better here than to see America like all western countries pull back in self-doubt and self-imposed impotence yet again, thus reassuring them of our image as a paper tiger unlikely to ever really strike.


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How many military bases does Iran have, that encircle the USA? What sanctions has Iran imposed on the USA that are dramatically harming it’s economy? How many nations has Iran invaded over the last 100 years? How many civilians has and military personnel has Iran murdered in the past 100 years? Has Iran threatened the USA with nuclear annihilation?

Please read Stockman’s column and refute what you can? Please?


How the Donald Assassinated America First - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com
Stated differently, Iran’s extremely modest military capacities are not remotely about an offensive threat to the American homeland. They are overwhelmingly about defending itself in its own neighborhood, where Washington has been intervening and occupying with massive firepower and hostile intent for decades.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Hmmm.

As you so grossly misjudged Donny, is it possible that you have grossly misjudged Obama?

Likewise, is it possible that you have miscalculated when it comes to the depth of the partisan hackery on the left and the right?

You need to recognize you are no different from the Trumpers, as you support a WELL KNOWN WARMONGER unconditionally. How is Ears any different from dumb Don? Both are warmongers, corporatists, and liars.

You seem to think you are better than Trumpers, because you recognize Donnie is a terrible asshole. Yet, you ignorantly cling to the absurd belief O is great. WTF.

Can you tell me which president in your lifetime did the job well enough to warrant reelection, please.

It is true that I believe that Obama was a far better person to lead this nation than is Trump. Do you think Trump is better leader?

Not many. JFK is the only one that comes quickly to mind.

BTW are you a hypocrite? You criticize Nightfox claiming he is trying to minimize Trump’s involvement, then you do the exact same thing with Ears.

Do you see that you are no different from the Trumpers yet?

I don’t minimize Obama’s use of our military in ways that I found abhorrent. I wish he had stood firmer and refused to give in to the impulse to use force in the region. Those drone strikes were on his orders. They are his responsibility. Period.

However, I have real reasons to applaud his efforts to achieve peace in the region as well. There is really no support for your contention that there is no difference between he and Trump when it comes to this issue. Obama made a solid effort to bring about diplomatic solutions to the Iran nuclear problem. That’s not up for debate. He did that.

As citizens and voters, we make choices. You chose to vote against Obama and for Trump. That must mean that you determined that Trump is a more thoughtful and tempered leader when it comes to the use of our military might. You still supported Trump AFTER he blew up the Iran deal.

If you would still prefer Trump over Obama, you’ve failed to do enough introspection.

I find this statement may apply to you.

Maybe the dumbest thing in all US politics is the way liberals tend to cheer for regime change in Syria while conservatives tend to support regime change in Iran. In reality it's the same agenda: they're just arguing over which government to oust first. Amazing propaganda trick. - Caitlin Johnstone

I don’t cheer for regime change in Syria.

Got another one?

 

[gipper]

You need to recognize you are no different from the Trumpers, as you support a WELL KNOWN WARMONGER unconditionally. How is Ears any different from dumb Don? Both are warmongers, corporatists, and liars.

You seem to think you are better than Trumpers, because you recognize Donnie is a terrible asshole. Yet, you ignorantly cling to the absurd belief O is great. WTF.

Can you tell me which president in your lifetime did the job well enough to warrant reelection, please.

It is true that I believe that Obama was a far better person to lead this nation than is Trump. Do you think Trump is better leader?

Not many. JFK is the only one that comes quickly to mind.

BTW are you a hypocrite? You criticize Nightfox claiming he is trying to minimize Trump’s involvement, then you do the exact same thing with Ears.

Do you see that you are no different from the Trumpers yet?

I don’t minimize Obama’s use of our military in ways that I found abhorrent. I wish he had stood firmer and refused to give in to the impulse to use force in the region. Those drone strikes were on his orders. They are his responsibility. Period.

However, I have real reasons to applaud his efforts to achieve peace in the region as well. There is really no support for your contention that there is no difference between he and Trump when it comes to this issue. Obama made a solid effort to bring about diplomatic solutions to the Iran nuclear problem. That’s not up for debate. He did that.

As citizens and voters, we make choices. You chose to vote against Obama and for Trump. That must mean that you determined that Trump is a more thoughtful and tempered leader when it comes to the use of our military might. You still supported Trump AFTER he blew up the Iran deal.

If you would still prefer Trump over Obama, you’ve failed to do enough introspection.

I find this statement may apply to you.

Maybe the dumbest thing in all US politics is the way liberals tend to cheer for regime change in Syria while conservatives tend to support regime change in Iran. In reality it's the same agenda: they're just arguing over which government to oust first. Amazing propaganda trick. - Caitlin Johnstone

I don’t cheer for regime change in Syria.

Got another one?

Oh good.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That’s right. He won’t be re-elected. His cowardly and enormously stupid cold blooded killing of the general has needlessly inflamed the region, and now Americans will die.

He campaigned on nonintervention, just as his two lying predecessors did, but now we know he too is a liar.

Donnie just made Sniify Joe look like a foreign policy expert. God help us.

Good job on questioning the official story regarding the killing of Soleimani, the war hawk establishment in Washington never bats an eye about telling the BIG LIE in order to get their way, it isn't the guy in the Oval Office you have to worry about, it's the military industrial complex and all its warmongering sycophants that inhabit Washington that are the real problem. Personally I don't buy the story coming out of Washington and being parroted by the media, too many things don't make sense about this.

However I think you're probably mistaken regarding the effect this will have on Donny's re-election chances; Georgey Boy campaigned on non-interventionism and no nation building yet started a war on blatantly false premises and cruised to re-election without a hitch, O'Nimrod wasn't much better, he talked a good game but when it came time to shed blood overseas he kowtowed to War Inc. like the good little politician he is and was easily re-elected.

All in all this probably helps Donny get re-elected since the American people just love it when a President goes all John Wayne and starts killing evil foreigners with smart bombs.

"We like war! We're a war-like people! We like war because we're good at it! You know why we're good at it? Cause we get a lot of practice. This country's only 200 years old and already, we've had 10 major wars. We average a major war every 20 years in this country so we're good at it! And it's a good thing we are; we're not very good at anything else anymore! Huh? Can't build a decent car, can't make a TV set or a VCR worth a fuck, got no steel industry left, can't educate our young people, can't get health care to our old people, but we can bomb the shit out of your country all right! Huh? Especially if your country is full of brown people; oh we like that don't we? That's our hobby! That's our new job in the world: bombing brown people. Iraq, Panama, Grenada, Libya, you got some brown people in your country, tell them to watch the fuck out or we'll goddamn bomb them!" -- George Carlin

Thank you Congresswoman Ihlan Omar!

BTW, that was from 1992!

The year matters not. Profound statements are timeless.

HEIL TRUMP...ACHTUNG!!!

Good God Gipper, get a gripper on yourself. Here again we see a beautiful example of the radical black and white polarized thinking of the cognitive dissonant resorting again to Godwin's Law. Now in a day, we have forgotten who we are dealing with and taken the bad people in all of this and transformed them into the victim somehow while overnight making Trump out to be "Adolf Hitler" because he has done the one thing which might end all of this conflict and hostility instead of keeping it alive another 40 years:

ACTUALLY FLOUT THE OPTION OF REAL WAR in the face of the Iranians at a cost they cannot pay instead of just another tit for tat conflagrating never ending police action that all of the progressive "civilized peace-lovers" of the world so proudly hold dear even as it has lead to almost a half century of unresolved hostility and conflict.

Can anyone here actually just keep their dick in their pocket for 5 minutes first before panicking to see how this all plays out?

Let's not forget who we are dealing with here, the Iranians have:

1. Seized and attacked our embassies.
2. Taken our people prisoner.
3. Conducted suicide bombings.
4. Attacked our military in their bases.
5. Mined the Persian Gulf.
6. Done severe damage to many of our vessels.
7. Sponsored terror organizations all over.
8. Facilitated the 9/11 hijackers.
9. Killed hundreds and hundreds of our diplomats, civilians and especially military.
10. Arrested and detained many of our people without cause or charge sometimes for decades.
11. Attempted to carry out an assassination right in Washington DC.
12. Attacked US interests worldwide.
13. Charged our ships for no apparent cause.
14. Seized our ships for no cause.
15. Carried out surveillance of our bases and airports in preparation to attack Americans.
16. Infiltrated our country with spies.
17. Made specific death threats against our leaders and country.
18. Persistently and stubbornly resisted and violated all efforts to monitor and limit their nuclear development.

And all for what? BECAUSE THEY ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO ABANDON THEIR HOSTILE, PROVOCATIVE HISTORY OF REPRESSION, AGGRESSION AND TERROR, making them too much of a potential threat to just "leave alone" and hope for the best.

Instead, we are diluting this all with conspiracy theories and chomping on our own leg. The VERY BEST THING that Iran could hope for right now as they unify into one cause is exactly what the Left is giving them: attacks on Trump, vilification of America as being the bad guy here, and especially, talk of reigning in Trump's ability to execute military campaigns. The Iranians would like nothing better here than to see America like all western countries pull back in self-doubt and self-imposed impotence yet again, thus reassuring them of our image as a paper tiger unlikely to ever really strike.


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How many military bases does Iran have, that encircle the USA? What sanctions has Iran imposed on the USA that are dramatically harming it’s economy? How many nations has Iran invaded over the last 100 years? How many civilians has and military personnel has Iran murdered in the past 100 years? Has Iran threatened the USA with nuclear annihilation?

Please read Stockman’s column and refute what you can? Please?


How the Donald Assassinated America First - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com
Stated differently, Iran’s extremely modest military capacities are not remotely about an offensive threat to the American homeland. They are overwhelmingly about defending itself in its own neighborhood, where Washington has been intervening and occupying with massive firepower and hostile intent for decades.

How many military bases does Iran have, that encircle the USA?

Exactly! Iran is super awesome!!!!

Who cares about their support for terrorism?

Please read Stockman’s column

What's that whiney twat whining about now?

 

[toobfreak]

How many military bases does Iran have, that encircle the USA? What sanctions has Iran imposed on the USA that are dramatically harming it’s economy?

Good God, Gipper, you've slipped another mental cog. France has H-bombs but we don't surround them with bases! Russia has enormous destructive power but we know they are a responsible nation. IRAN ABSOLUTELY REFUSES TO ABANDON THEIR HOSTILE, PROVOCATIVE HISTORY OF REPRESSION, AGGRESSION AND TERROR around the world, their death threats against us, their promises to destroy us, making them too much of a potential threat to just "leave alone" and hope for the best.

How many nations has Iran invaded over the last 100 years?

Many. They invade by proxy with sponsored terror cells.

How many civilians has and military personnel has Iran murdered in the past 100 years?

Thousands? Did you even read my post at all?

Has Iran threatened the USA with nuclear annihilation?

Where have you been for 40 years? They would nuke us in a heartbeat the minute they had the capability.

I've noticed a pattern with all you "sensible moderates": you all take a progressive stance of blame America for everything first.

 

[gipper]

How many military bases does Iran have, that encircle the USA? What sanctions has Iran imposed on the USA that are dramatically harming it’s economy?

Good God, Gipper, you've slipped another mental cog. France has H-bombs but we don't surround them with bases! Russia has enormous destructive power but we know they are a responsible nation. IRAN ABSOLUTELY REFUSES TO ABANDON THEIR HOSTILE, PROVOCATIVE HISTORY OF REPRESSION, AGGRESSION AND TERROR around the world, their death threats against us, their promises to destroy us, making them too much of a potential threat to just "leave alone" and hope for the best.

How many nations has Iran invaded over the last 100 years?

Many. They invade by proxy with sponsored terror cells.

How many civilians has and military personnel has Iran murdered in the past 100 years?

Thousands? Did you even read my post at all?

Has Iran threatened the USA with nuclear annihilation?

Where have you been for 40 years? They would nuke us ion a heartbeat the minute they had the capability.

You’re delusional. Stop believing the lying government and media. To think Iran a threat to the American people, is to not think.

 

[gipper]

How many military bases does Iran have, that encircle the USA? What sanctions has Iran imposed on the USA that are dramatically harming it’s economy?

Good God, Gipper, you've slipped another mental cog. France has H-bombs but we don't surround them with bases! Russia has enormous destructive power but we know they are a responsible nation. IRAN ABSOLUTELY REFUSES TO ABANDON THEIR HOSTILE, PROVOCATIVE HISTORY OF REPRESSION, AGGRESSION AND TERROR around the world, their death threats against us, their promises to destroy us, making them too much of a potential threat to just "leave alone" and hope for the best.

How many nations has Iran invaded over the last 100 years?

Many. They invade by proxy with sponsored terror cells.

How many civilians has and military personnel has Iran murdered in the past 100 years?

Thousands? Did you even read my post at all?

Has Iran threatened the USA with nuclear annihilation?

Where have you been for 40 years? They would nuke us ion a heartbeat the minute they had the capability.

I've noticed a pattern with all you "sensible moderates": you all take a progressive stance of blame America for everything first.

Read Stockman’s column and refute it or STFU.

 

[theHawk]

That’s right. He won’t be re-elected. His cowardly and enormously stupid cold blooded killing of the general has needlessly inflamed the region, and now Americans will die.

He campaigned on nonintervention, just as his two lying predecessors did, but now we know he too is a liar.

Donnie just made Sniify Joe look like a foreign policy expert. God help us.

So what was an Iranian general doing in Iraq?

 

[theHawk]

How many military bases does Iran have, that encircle the USA? What sanctions has Iran imposed on the USA that are dramatically harming it’s economy?

Good God, Gipper, you've slipped another mental cog. France has H-bombs but we don't surround them with bases! Russia has enormous destructive power but we know they are a responsible nation. IRAN ABSOLUTELY REFUSES TO ABANDON THEIR HOSTILE, PROVOCATIVE HISTORY OF REPRESSION, AGGRESSION AND TERROR around the world, their death threats against us, their promises to destroy us, making them too much of a potential threat to just "leave alone" and hope for the best.

How many nations has Iran invaded over the last 100 years?

Many. They invade by proxy with sponsored terror cells.

How many civilians has and military personnel has Iran murdered in the past 100 years?

Thousands? Did you even read my post at all?

Has Iran threatened the USA with nuclear annihilation?

Where have you been for 40 years? They would nuke us ion a heartbeat the minute they had the capability.

You’re delusional. Stop believing the lying government and media. To think Iran a threat to the American people, is to not think.

Sounds like you should love to Iran. You sound like their propaganda mouthpiece.

 

[gipper]

Good job on questioning the official story regarding the killing of Soleimani, the war hawk establishment in Washington never bats an eye about telling the BIG LIE in order to get their way, it isn't the guy in the Oval Office you have to worry about, it's the military industrial complex and all its warmongering sycophants that inhabit Washington that are the real problem. Personally I don't buy the story coming out of Washington and being parroted by the media, too many things don't make sense about this.

However I think you're probably mistaken regarding the effect this will have on Donny's re-election chances; Georgey Boy campaigned on non-interventionism and no nation building yet started a war on blatantly false premises and cruised to re-election without a hitch, O'Nimrod wasn't much better, he talked a good game but when it came time to shed blood overseas he kowtowed to War Inc. like the good little politician he is and was easily re-elected.

All in all this probably helps Donny get re-elected since the American people just love it when a President goes all John Wayne and starts killing evil foreigners with smart bombs.

"We like war! We're a war-like people! We like war because we're good at it! You know why we're good at it? Cause we get a lot of practice. This country's only 200 years old and already, we've had 10 major wars. We average a major war every 20 years in this country so we're good at it! And it's a good thing we are; we're not very good at anything else anymore! Huh? Can't build a decent car, can't make a TV set or a VCR worth a fuck, got no steel industry left, can't educate our young people, can't get health care to our old people, but we can bomb the shit out of your country all right! Huh? Especially if your country is full of brown people; oh we like that don't we? That's our hobby! That's our new job in the world: bombing brown people. Iraq, Panama, Grenada, Libya, you got some brown people in your country, tell them to watch the fuck out or we'll goddamn bomb them!" -- George Carlin

Thank you Congresswoman Ihlan Omar!

BTW, that was from 1992!

The year matters not. Profound statements are timeless.

HEIL TRUMP...ACHTUNG!!!

Good God Gipper, get a gripper on yourself. Here again we see a beautiful example of the radical black and white polarized thinking of the cognitive dissonant resorting again to Godwin's Law. Now in a day, we have forgotten who we are dealing with and taken the bad people in all of this and transformed them into the victim somehow while overnight making Trump out to be "Adolf Hitler" because he has done the one thing which might end all of this conflict and hostility instead of keeping it alive another 40 years:

ACTUALLY FLOUT THE OPTION OF REAL WAR in the face of the Iranians at a cost they cannot pay instead of just another tit for tat conflagrating never ending police action that all of the progressive "civilized peace-lovers" of the world so proudly hold dear even as it has lead to almost a half century of unresolved hostility and conflict.

Can anyone here actually just keep their dick in their pocket for 5 minutes first before panicking to see how this all plays out?

Let's not forget who we are dealing with here, the Iranians have:

1. Seized and attacked our embassies.
2. Taken our people prisoner.
3. Conducted suicide bombings.
4. Attacked our military in their bases.
5. Mined the Persian Gulf.
6. Done severe damage to many of our vessels.
7. Sponsored terror organizations all over.
8. Facilitated the 9/11 hijackers.
9. Killed hundreds and hundreds of our diplomats, civilians and especially military.
10. Arrested and detained many of our people without cause or charge sometimes for decades.
11. Attempted to carry out an assassination right in Washington DC.
12. Attacked US interests worldwide.
13. Charged our ships for no apparent cause.
14. Seized our ships for no cause.
15. Carried out surveillance of our bases and airports in preparation to attack Americans.
16. Infiltrated our country with spies.
17. Made specific death threats against our leaders and country.
18. Persistently and stubbornly resisted and violated all efforts to monitor and limit their nuclear development.

And all for what? BECAUSE THEY ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO ABANDON THEIR HOSTILE, PROVOCATIVE HISTORY OF REPRESSION, AGGRESSION AND TERROR, making them too much of a potential threat to just "leave alone" and hope for the best.

Instead, we are diluting this all with conspiracy theories and chomping on our own leg. The VERY BEST THING that Iran could hope for right now as they unify into one cause is exactly what the Left is giving them: attacks on Trump, vilification of America as being the bad guy here, and especially, talk of reigning in Trump's ability to execute military campaigns. The Iranians would like nothing better here than to see America like all western countries pull back in self-doubt and self-imposed impotence yet again, thus reassuring them of our image as a paper tiger unlikely to ever really strike.


View attachment 298851

How many military bases does Iran have, that encircle the USA? What sanctions has Iran imposed on the USA that are dramatically harming it’s economy? How many nations has Iran invaded over the last 100 years? How many civilians has and military personnel has Iran murdered in the past 100 years? Has Iran threatened the USA with nuclear annihilation?

Please read Stockman’s column and refute what you can? Please?


How the Donald Assassinated America First - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com
Stated differently, Iran’s extremely modest military capacities are not remotely about an offensive threat to the American homeland. They are overwhelmingly about defending itself in its own neighborhood, where Washington has been intervening and occupying with massive firepower and hostile intent for decades.

How many military bases does Iran have, that encircle the USA?

Exactly! Iran is super awesome!!!!

Who cares about their support for terrorism?

Please read Stockman’s column

What's that whiney twat whining about now?

It’s funny how some Americans know little tiny Iran with it’s puny military commits terrorism on an enormous scale, but they can’t see the terrorism committed by their government. How is this possible?