Zone1 One significant reason why many do not believe in religion, it is just too damn hard

[Hafar1014]

You misspelled "accurate."

The truth usually hurts before it helps.

God loves truth. He is truth.

Truth is what you believe and not always the facts or reality

 

[ding]

Thats how we had the support for gender dysphoria as normal when its mental illness

If gender dysphoria is a mental illness, then so is homosexuality.

 

[Mashmont]

Now, there are of course many reasons so I simplify for the purpose of this discussion but the difficulties of being a good human being is a significant contributor to peoples lack of faith.

It is difficult to commit oneself to being noble, principled, objective, shining light onto the world, helping the needy etc. This becomes more daunting when surrounded by scores of selfish, diabolical individuals who are not.

Another key contributor to Atheism is almost certainly the time and discipline required. This is true whether it is reading our faiths book, the pageantry of the process or going to church, a synagogue, a mosque or temple.

Further restrictive and a barrier to some is the commitments to holidays and rituals, foods etc. I do not begrudge those who find it difficult to observe this way, at the very least though, one must maintain the core tenets of principle, morality and character. Even this appears to be extremely difficult for so many, being evil is much essier for some, perhaps more natural for them (even for the "good guys")

There is a well known George Carlin comedic bit called "religion is bullsh*t". He is extremely critical of G-d, basically mocks the idea of the "invisible man in the sky". As I am an extremely comfortable person listening to opposing views, most evident in my openness to watching media from all sides even as I may disagree with some speakers 99% of the time; I watch his skit and laugh. I understand his position, there is a reason I rejected false believers of faith also and I read with a critical eye some of the stories within the bible. It is after all, written by man, not infallible.

Yes, some stories within the bible are far-fetched, one does not have to be too literal with everything in the bible in my estimation, at least I am not. I believe one should at least appreciate the message or general premise, that which G-d demands of us is more meaningful. It is difficult but that is the task, it is supposed to be difficult.

Those who warp religion for their own ends is the problem with religion today. That is what makes faith that much more difficult, especially if one is Jewish and is demanded to be stalwart models of faith, an obligation that requires significant moral leadership.

I suppose I am fortunate enough to at least be honest in the face of diverting representations. Objective enough to distinguish between true representatives of faith vs the many, MANY false chsracters we see in mass media today. This criticism of plastic people of faith is not relegated to any one religion for the record, no one faith has a monopoly on false practitioners, though I was discouraged enough to confront my own.

We as followers of G-d must acknowledge that it is not easy to be a person of faith, but consider the alternative. The "fake" people of faith should serve to remind us of just how dark the world will be if the true believers, the good men and women who act by G-ds instructions, not just talk a good game become the dominant ideology. Our species and the universe as a whole canmot survive the darkness some repeatedly emit.

Even those who do not believe in G-d can be good, moral human beings. I applaud all who are regardless of faith or no faith. Look around. See the social media clips and chatter. Are the good, honourable and righteous winning the day?

The thread that is common to criminals, leftists, and atheists is laziness.

It takes more work to have a legitimate career, to work hard to achieve a better society, and to follow the straight and narrow moral path.

 

[rightwinger]

atheists can have a moral compass and they are not hedonists. Its those on the left who value feelings over facts and create toxic empathy. Thats how we had the support for gender dysphoria as normal when its mental illness

More than empathy it is a desire to walk a mile in another man’s shoes

A capability conservatives lack

 

[ding]

Truth is what you believe and not always the facts or reality

No, that's called perception of truth or subjective truth. Truth is reality.

 

[ding]

A capability conservatives lack

I bet that will go over well with Hafar1014

 

[Catman51]

Now, there are of course many reasons so I simplify for the purpose of this discussion but the difficulties of being a good human being is a significant contributor to peoples lack of faith.

It is difficult to commit oneself to being noble, principled, objective, shining light onto the world, helping the needy etc. This becomes more daunting when surrounded by scores of selfish, diabolical individuals who are not.

Another key contributor to Atheism is almost certainly the time and discipline required. This is true whether it is reading our faiths book, the pageantry of the process or going to church, a synagogue, a mosque or temple.

Further restrictive and a barrier to some is the commitments to holidays and rituals, foods etc. I do not begrudge those who find it difficult to observe this way, at the very least though, one must maintain the core tenets of principle, morality and character. Even this appears to be extremely difficult for so many, being evil is much essier for some, perhaps more natural for them (even for the "good guys")

There is a well known George Carlin comedic bit called "religion is bullsh*t". He is extremely critical of G-d, basically mocks the idea of the "invisible man in the sky". As I am an extremely comfortable person listening to opposing views, most evident in my openness to watching media from all sides even as I may disagree with some speakers 99% of the time; I watch his skit and laugh. I understand his position, there is a reason I rejected false believers of faith also and I read with a critical eye some of the stories within the bible. It is after all, written by man, not infallible.

Yes, some stories within the bible are far-fetched, one does not have to be too literal with everything in the bible in my estimation, at least I am not. I believe one should at least appreciate the message or general premise, that which G-d demands of us is more meaningful. It is difficult but that is the task, it is supposed to be difficult.

Those who warp religion for their own ends is the problem with religion today. That is what makes faith that much more difficult, especially if one is Jewish and is demanded to be stalwart models of faith, an obligation that requires significant moral leadership.

I suppose I am fortunate enough to at least be honest in the face of diverting representations. Objective enough to distinguish between true representatives of faith vs the many, MANY false chsracters we see in mass media today. This criticism of plastic people of faith is not relegated to any one religion for the record, no one faith has a monopoly on false practitioners, though I was discouraged enough to confront my own.

We as followers of G-d must acknowledge that it is not easy to be a person of faith, but consider the alternative. The "fake" people of faith should serve to remind us of just how dark the world will be if the true believers, the good men and women who act by G-ds instructions, not just talk a good game become the dominant ideology. Our species and the universe as a whole canmot survive the darkness some repeatedly emit.

Even those who do not believe in G-d can be good, moral human beings. I applaud all who are regardless of faith or no faith. Look around. See the social media clips and chatter. Are the good, honourable and righteous winning the day?

Personally, I do not care if religion is true or false. From what I have observed, what is going to happen will happen without regard to religious convictions.

So, as I said, I really do not care.

 

[Hafar1014]

And yet fame, fortune, power and pleasure does not satisfy us because we were made for more.

A Jew Viktor Frankl discovered the vital importance of having a life with meaning which leads us to success and self fulfillment. Abraham Maslow another Jew called it Self actualization. Its not exclusive of religion but religions is not required.
“Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms—to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.”
― Viktor E. Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning
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― Viktor E. Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning
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“Those who have a 'why' to live, can bear with almost any 'how'.”
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“Don't aim at success. The more you aim at it and make it a target, the more you are going to miss it. For success, like happiness, cannot be pursued; it must ensue, and it only does so as the unintended side effect of one's personal dedication to a cause greater than oneself or as the by-product of one's surrender to a person other than oneself. Happiness must happen, and the same holds for success: you have to let it happen by not caring about it. I want you to listen to what your conscience commands you to do and go on to carry it out to the best of your knowledge. Then you will live to see that in the long-run—in the long-run, I say!—success will follow you precisely because you had forgotten to think about it”
― Viktor E. Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning
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“But there was no need to be ashamed of tears, for tears bore witness that a man had the greatest of courage, the courage to suffer.”
― Viktor E. Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning
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“A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write, if he is to be ultimately at peace with himself. What a man can be, he must be”
― Abraham Maslow
“I can feel guilty about the past, apprehensive about the future, but only in the present can I act. The ability to be in the present moment is a major component of mental wellness.”
― Abraham Maslow
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“Life is an ongoing process of choosing between safety (out of fear and need for defense) and risk (for the sake of progress and growth). Make the growth choice a dozen times a day.”
― Abraham Maslow
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“In any given moment we have two options: to step forward into growth or to step back into safety.”
― Abraham Maslow

 

[Catman51]

Everyone should recognize the fact that the origin of mater and energy would have been impossible without a miracle from God.

And how, exactly, do you know your statement to be true?

 

[ding]

A Jew Viktor Frankl discovered the vital importance of having a life with meaning which leads us to success and self fulfillment. Abraham Maslow another Jew called it Self actualization. Its not exclusive of religion but religions is not required.
“Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms—to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.”
― Viktor E. Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning
tags: inspirational, motivational
4839 likes
Like
“When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves.”
― Viktor E. Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning
tags: motivation
4514 likes
Like
“Those who have a 'why' to live, can bear with almost any 'how'.”
― Viktor E. Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning
tags: nietzsche
3025 likes
Like
“Don't aim at success. The more you aim at it and make it a target, the more you are going to miss it. For success, like happiness, cannot be pursued; it must ensue, and it only does so as the unintended side effect of one's personal dedication to a cause greater than oneself or as the by-product of one's surrender to a person other than oneself. Happiness must happen, and the same holds for success: you have to let it happen by not caring about it. I want you to listen to what your conscience commands you to do and go on to carry it out to the best of your knowledge. Then you will live to see that in the long-run—in the long-run, I say!—success will follow you precisely because you had forgotten to think about it”
― Viktor E. Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning
tags: happiness, success
2788 likes
Like
“But there was no need to be ashamed of tears, for tears bore witness that a man had the greatest of courage, the courage to suffer.”
― Viktor E. Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning
=========================================================================

“A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write, if he is to be ultimately at peace with himself. What a man can be, he must be”
― Abraham Maslow
“I can feel guilty about the past, apprehensive about the future, but only in the present can I act. The ability to be in the present moment is a major component of mental wellness.”
― Abraham Maslow
105 likes
Like
“Life is an ongoing process of choosing between safety (out of fear and need for defense) and risk (for the sake of progress and growth). Make the growth choice a dozen times a day.”
― Abraham Maslow
103 likes
Like
“In any given moment we have two options: to step forward into growth or to step back into safety.”
― Abraham Maslow

So what? How does that disprove what I said?

Viktor Frankl believed in God, though his faith was deeply personal, nuanced, and rarely discussed publicly to maintain the neutrality of his psychotherapy. He was culturally and religiously Jewish and in his private life, particularly after his time in Nazi concentration camps, he believed in a personal, "unconscious God" who provided meaning in suffering. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Key details regarding Frankl’s faith:

• The "Unconscious God": Frankl explored this concept in his book The Unconscious God: Psychotherapy and Theology, suggesting that faith often resides in the unconscious, and God is present in human life, especially through conscience.
• Private Faith: Reports from his family after his death indicated that he prayed every day and had memorized daily Jewish prayers.
  • Agnosticism vs. Theism: While some scholars and readers debate the extent of his religious orthodoxy, his writings and interviews indicate a firm belief in a transcendent, ultimate meaning.
  • Transcendent Love: He wrote of witnessing, and experiencing, a form of spiritual, "divine contemplation" and "transcendent love" even during the horrors of the concentration camps. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Frankl maintained that logotherapy was not a religion, but a scientific tool, which allowed him to keep his private faith separate from his therapeutic practice. [1, 2]

 

[Hafar1014]

No, that's called perception of truth or subjective truth. Truth is reality.

Facts are objective, verifiable pieces of data or occurrences (things done) that exist independently, such as "it is 30 degrees outside". Truth is broader, often subjective or interpretive, representing the deeper meaning, context, or overall reality, such as "it is a freezing day". While facts can be isolated, truth is the synthesis of all facts.
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• Facts (Data): Independent of interpretation; often quantifiable or observable (e.g., "The cat is on the mat").
• Truth (Meaning):The interpretation, validity, or context of those facts (e.g., "The cat is comfortable").
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Key Differences:

• Facts are fragments; truth is the whole picture: A fact is a single brick; truth is the entire structure.
• Facts can be used without truth: Isolated facts can be used out of context to deceive, while truth encompasses the full context.
• Facts are observed; truths are understood: Facts can be observed (e.g., a person is crying), but the truth (why they are crying) requires context.
• Stability:Facts are often stable, while truths can be more fluid, shifting with new perspective or information.
  
  
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Example:

• Fact: The suspect was at the scene of the crime.
• Truth:The suspect committed the crime (or) the suspect was framed (The真相 is the narrative that links the facts).
  
  
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[Hafar1014]

And how, exactly, do you know your statement to be true?

He cant its a belief with no facts to support it

 

[Hafar1014]

So what? How does that disprove what I said?

Its a clarification and deeper understanding not a disproof. Why so defensive read and learn

 

[ding]

Facts are objective, verifiable pieces of data or occurrences (things done) that exist independently, such as "it is 30 degrees outside". Truth is broader, often subjective or interpretive, representing the deeper meaning, context, or overall reality, such as "it is a freezing day". While facts can be isolated, truth is the synthesis of all facts.
Focus on the Family +3

• Facts (Data): Independent of interpretation; often quantifiable or observable (e.g., "The cat is on the mat").
• Truth (Meaning):The interpretation, validity, or context of those facts (e.g., "The cat is comfortable").
  Reddit·r/askphilosophy +4

Key Differences:

• Facts are fragments; truth is the whole picture: A fact is a single brick; truth is the entire structure.
• Facts can be used without truth: Isolated facts can be used out of context to deceive, while truth encompasses the full context.
• Facts are observed; truths are understood: Facts can be observed (e.g., a person is crying), but the truth (why they are crying) requires context.
• Stability:Facts are often stable, while truths can be more fluid, shifting with new perspective or information.
  
  
  Focus on the Family +3

Example:

• Fact: The suspect was at the scene of the crime.
• Truth:The suspect committed the crime (or) the suspect was framed (The真相 is the narrative that links the facts).
  
  
  Focus on the Family
• Difference between Fact And Truth : r/askphilosophy - Reddit
  Please note: this is a highly moderated academic Q&A subreddit and not an open discussion, debate, change-my-view, or test-my-theo...
  Reddit
• Facts vs. Truth - Focus on the Family
  You've asked a profoundly perceptive question. Yes, there is an important difference between facts and truth. In some ways it's an...
  Focus on the Family
• Facts vs. Truth: The Hidden Distinction You Must Know
  Facts and truth are not the same thing. People can deceive others with factual information. A fact can be true but taken out of co...
  1:31
  YouTube·Dre Baldwin - Work On Your Game

You can wave your arms all you want it won't change the fact that truth is reality. What you described is perception of truth or subjective truth.

 

[ding]

Its a clarification and deeper understanding not a disproof. Why so defensive read and learn

Viktor Frankl believed in God, though his faith was deeply personal, nuanced, and rarely discussed publicly to maintain the neutrality of his psychotherapy. He was culturally and religiously Jewish and in his private life, particularly after his time in Nazi concentration camps, he believed in a personal, "unconscious God" who provided meaning in suffering. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Key details regarding Frankl’s faith:

• The "Unconscious God": Frankl explored this concept in his book The Unconscious God: Psychotherapy and Theology, suggesting that faith often resides in the unconscious, and God is present in human life, especially through conscience.
• Private Faith: Reports from his family after his death indicated that he prayed every day and had memorized daily Jewish prayers.
  • Agnosticism vs. Theism: While some scholars and readers debate the extent of his religious orthodoxy, his writings and interviews indicate a firm belief in a transcendent, ultimate meaning.
  • Transcendent Love: He wrote of witnessing, and experiencing, a form of spiritual, "divine contemplation" and "transcendent love" even during the horrors of the concentration camps. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Frankl maintained that logotherapy was not a religion, but a scientific tool, which allowed him to keep his private faith separate from his therapeutic practice. [1, 2]

 

[Hafar1014]

You can wave your arms all you want it won't change the fact that truth is reality. What you described is perception of truth or subjective truth.

But truth none the less a belief honestly held but not a fact

 

[ding]

And how, exactly, do you know your statement to be true?

Because existence existed before space and time and God is existence. We know existence existed before space and time because we know the laws of nature existed before space and time. Existence is the thing that exists. Nature describes the thing that exists.

 

[Hafar1014]

Because existence existed before space and time and God is existence. We know existence existed before space and time because we know the laws of nature existed before space and time. Existence is the thing that exists. Nature describes the thing that exists.

You dont know you believe.

 

[ding]

But truth none the less a belief honestly held but not a fact

It most certainly is when it is devoid of bias. It is bias that skews objectivity. It is bias which skews reality.

 

[Hafar1014]

It most certainly is when it is devoid of bias. It is bias that skews objectivity. It is bias which skews reality.

Bias always exists