Zone1 Happy day one of Passover to our Jewish brothers and sisters.

[shockedcanadian]

To our Noahides, we do not practice the full Sedar but can indulge in a "freedom meal" of sorts.

For me, reading some of The Book of Exodus and performing my usual good deeds when I can. I am a firm believer that G-d demands from all of us good deeds and character above all else. If one does not waiver from these principles alone, more difficult than most appreciate; they will fulfill their duty. Go beyond that and you are even more committed and loyal.

 

[LibertyWeeps]

 

[shockedcanadian]

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So you troll my post.

Interesting.

 

[LibertyWeeps]

So you troll my post.

Interesting.

I'm not trolling.

You don't like humor?

 

[shockedcanadian]

I'm not trolling.

You don't like humor?

I like humour, only if it is funny though.

 

[marvin martian]

To our Noahides, we do not practice the full Sedar but can indulge in a "freedom meal" of sorts.

For me, reading some of The Book of Exodus and performing my usual good deeds when I can. I am a firm believer that G-d demands from all of us good deeds and character above all else. If one does not waiver from these principles alone, more difficult than most appreciate; they will fulfill their duty. Go beyond that and you are even more committed and loyal.

This is going to trigger a lot of lefties, since they want all the Jews dead.

 

[shockedcanadian]

This is going to trigger a lot of lefties, since they want all the Jews dead.

Naw, only the far-left crazies want that. Most of them Atheist and uncurious about the origins of life.

I tell every Atheist, "read up on Pascal Wager". I had thought the same myself when analyzing G-d when I was a self-described Atheist and it made perfect sense to me.

 

[BreezeWood]

For me, reading some of The Book of Exodus and performing my usual good deeds when I can. I am a firm believer that G-d demands from all of us good deeds and character above all else. If one does not waiver from these principles alone, more difficult than most appreciate; they will fulfill their duty. Go beyond that and you are even more committed and loyal.

the one and only ...

just amazing those who claimed atheism who then become desert dwellers - and claim through those bibles what is heavenly, written by crucifiers and despots throughout all their documents the same since their beginnings - except the 1st century events.

 

[shockedcanadian]

the one and only ...

just amazing those who claimed atheism who then become desert dwellers - and claim through those bibles what is heavenly, written by crucifiers and despots throughout all their documents the same since their beginnings - except the 1st century events.

You sound like an unhappy person. I am here for you if you want to talk, I have been there in my dark hours, I can relate.

Please, accept this thread as your Safe Space to share what troubles you. I will not judge you. Whenever you are ready.

 

[DennisPTate]

Naw, only the far-left crazies want that. Most of them Atheist and uncurious about the origins of life.

I tell every Atheist, "read up on Pascal Wager". I had thought the same myself when analyzing G-d when I was a self-described Atheist and it made perfect sense to me.

Thank you for letting me know about "Pascal's Wager."

Pascal's Wager is a philosophical argument by Blaise Pascal (1657–58) stating that believing in God is the only rational choice. It argues that if God exists, a believer gains infinite rewards (Heaven), and if not, loses little (finite pleasures). Conversely, disbelieving risks infinite loss (Hell), making belief the safest bet. [1, 2]
Key Aspects of the Wager

• The Decision Matrix: Pascal, in his Pensées, framed the decision to believe as a wager with four possible outcomes based on whether God exists:
  • Believe + God Exists: Infinite gain (Heaven).
  • Believe + God Doesn't Exist:Finite loss (or no loss).
    • Don't Believe + God Exists: Infinite loss (Hell).
    • Don't Believe + God Doesn't Exist: Finite gain (living freely).
  • Expected Value: The argument uses probability theory, arguing that because the potential gain is infinite and the potential loss is finite, belief is the mathematically superior choice, even if the probability of God's existence is low.
  • Voluntarism: Pascal believed that if one cannot naturally believe, they can take steps toward it—such as acting as if they believe, attending services, and using holy water—eventually leading to true faith.

I celebrated a small "Seder" yesterday evening and just had a glass of dry red wine and some Matzos.

 

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"It is to the glory of religion to have for enemies men so unreasonable." Pascal

 

[shockedcanadian]

"It is to the glory of religion to have for enemies men so unreasonable." Pascal

Pascal's wager is a pragmatic approach to the question of whether God exists. It argues that you should believe in God because of the infinite rewards and risks, even if the evidence is uncertain.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Pascal's wager is a pragmatic approach to the question of whether God exists. It argues that you should believe in God because of the infinite rewards and risks, even if the evidence is uncertain.

That really makes no sense.
By that "logic' I would have to become a Muslim because they have the strongest threats of eternal damnation of any other religion.

Some are not called yet.

 

[shockedcanadian]

That really makes no sense.
By that "logic' I would have to become a Muslim because they have the strongest threats of eternal damnation of any other religion.

Some are not called yet.

G-d is eternal. There is only one.

Whether Muslim, Jewish, Christian. If you believe in G-d it is the same G-d, the only difference is the prophets and the book. Choose the Torah, the New Testament or the Quoran. Regardless, they are all worshipping the same G-d whether they acknowledge it or not.

Now, if one worships Moses, Jesus or Muhammed, you are engaging in idolatry, right?

 

[Mortimer]

I wish you a blessed and peaceful Passover.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Whether Muslim, Jewish, Christian. If you believe in G-d it is the same G-d, the only difference is the prophets and the book. Choose the Torah, the New Testament or the Quoran. Regardless, they are all worshipping the same G-d whether they acknowledge it or not

That's YOUR belief. Not a fact. God is not divided.
Either Saturday, Sunday or Friday is the Sabbath. It isn't whatever you want. God has ONE set of laws for His people, only one faith can be true.

You're a shallow thinker. You need to think this stuff thru

 

[shockedcanadian]

That's YOUR belief. Not a fact. God is not divided.
Either Saturday, Sunday or Friday is the Sabbath. It isn't whatever you want. God has ONE set of laws for His people, only one faith can be true.

You're a shallow thinker. You need to think this stuff thru

Just because one does not follow the proper guidance does not mean they are not believing in the same G-d it just means they are following the wrong human purveyors of that information.

If G-d tells me when my time here is over "you were supposed to rest on Sunday" while I was say, keeping Shabbat on Saturdays, does not mean I did not believe in his existence or pray to him.

Let us say for argument sake Prophet Muhammed was the true prophet who had the correct message from G-d. If a Jew prays to "Hashem" at night, does this mean he is praying to air?

No, he is still praying to G-d, the one and only. Now one can follow whatever belief one has about their punishment, but it will not be due to them not believing in G-d.

You know in Judaism the belief is that even if one never read the Torah, never knew of mitzvot, the person could be anywhere in the world but as long as they were a righteous person, a mensch per se; they will have fulfilled their obligation to G-d. Righteousness and ethical living are highly valued and can be rewarded regardless if one is Jewish or not.

The problem today is that the loudest voices on all sides of the religious doctrine are trying to solidify their beliefs through strict doctrine while most of the time they are misguided or outright wrong.

Refer to the Talmud: "The righteous of all nations have a share in the World to Come."

Thus, righteous conduct and ethical behavior are recognized and rewarded by God, even if a person is not traditionally Jewish. It emphasizes the value of morality across all nations.

Read up on Tzedakah and Tsaddiq

 

[Mortimer]

 

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That really makes no sense.
By that "logic' I would have to become a Muslim because they have the strongest threats of eternal damnation of any other religion.

Some are not called yet.

Pascal wasn't arguing for a specific religion. Just belief in a higher power. Religion is not God and God is not religion. They are two separate things.

 

[BreezeWood]

Now, if one worships Moses, Jesus or Muhammed, you are engaging in idolatry, right?

all in the heavens are equal, to worship at all is a barrier for admission to the heavens.

submission to the desert bibles and those responsible for their content is idolatry - in particular a reference association to jesus a false involvement - who during the 1st century events repudiated judaism, false commandments et al and is murdered by the idolators for that very reason.