One more reason why republicans will lose big in 2014

[bigrebnc1775]

Nothing to ask. We served. You didn't.

We will do it again if you want and expose you as a liar.

You so well fulfill Benjamin Franklin's comment in the first line of my sig.

My ASFC was 81150 I was trained at camp bullis Texas after basic ABGD and who the **** is we

The "we" is you and the gopher in your pocket. So you were Air Security? Good for you. And I honor your service.

The "WE" you speak of is me and the gopher in my pocket? Are you Jrunk again? No it's called security police
And **** you twit I don't need your fake honor go play in the middle of a chicago street gang war with Joe.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I served this country, son, and you did not. Those are good countries, but America is better, and since my day in part, with all Veterans, is this Monday, think about this who protected your ass because you wouldn't serve.

Yah, keep talking to the tool in the mirror.

You deserve a medal for actually reading his shit.

I thought he had not served. Apparently he knows the lingo at least.

I bet though he was discharged early for some nonsense he pulled.

You just got owned for lying AGAIN.

 

[bayoubill]

meh... this back-and-forth political stuff gets so tiresome sometimes...

'specially at my age...


how 'bout a tune...?

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[JoeB131]

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As far as healthcare policy, I absolutely want to go back to the pre medicaid/medicare days.

Yea, and increases in life expectancy have nothing to do with innovation in the field of medicine, it is all because of the magic of medicaid and medicare, lol. Piss off troll.

Of course you do. Because idiots like you see health care a consumer commodity only for the worthy instead of a public service everyone should get.

Thankfully, you are in the minority, a minority that rarely says what it really wants out loud.

 

[JoeB131]

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Not at all- what's to avoid?
same worthless reactionary leftist talking points, I hear all the time.

What proof is there that life expectancy and money spent are directly related?
For that case, we spend more gov't money on education than any other western country
and we get some of the worst results.

We get the worst results because our education system is still segregated between the haves and the have nots. Kind of like the health care system.

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Infant mortality, the same ones based on the garage UN stats...
The same agency that loves to dump and belittle the US any chance they get, that one

How other countries don't count low birthweight babies who die but, we do
Some European countries require a baby be alive 26 weeks to be counted as alive
Some in Europe do it based on size 30 centimeters (12 inches) long to be declared “alive”
Some countries if a baby dies within 24 hours, it is considered still born
Probably the same reason these countries have very high stillborn rates. Some parts of Europe, it is very high

Again, this is the typical trope brought out by Wingnuts that "Oh, no, our infant mortality problem isn't that bad beacuse the Europeans don't count preemies." It's a bullshit excuse.

Is the left still trying to claim that ObamaCare will not add to the National Debt?
It is so hard to keep up with all of the lies from the left, these days.

And there he goes trying to change the subject again.

 

[Gadawg73]

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Not at all- what's to avoid?
same worthless reactionary leftist talking points, I hear all the time.

What proof is there that life expectancy and money spent are directly related?
For that case, we spend more gov't money on education than any other western country
and we get some of the worst results.

We get the worst results because our education system is still segregated between the haves and the have nots. Kind of like the health care system.

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Infant mortality, the same ones based on the garage UN stats...
The same agency that loves to dump and belittle the US any chance they get, that one

How other countries don't count low birthweight babies who die but, we do
Some European countries require a baby be alive 26 weeks to be counted as alive
Some in Europe do it based on size 30 centimeters (12 inches) long to be declared “alive”
Some countries if a baby dies within 24 hours, it is considered still born
Probably the same reason these countries have very high stillborn rates. Some parts of Europe, it is very high

Again, this is the typical trope brought out by Wingnuts that "Oh, no, our infant mortality problem isn't that bad beacuse the Europeans don't count preemies." It's a bullshit excuse.

Is the left still trying to claim that ObamaCare will not add to the National Debt?
It is so hard to keep up with all of the lies from the left, these days.

And there he goes trying to change the subject again.

Ignorance and irresponsibility in some communities where 50 years of government "support" has destroyed the family causes high mortality rates.
Fully supported by the left to this day.

 

[JoeB131]

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Ignorance and irresponsibility in some communities where 50 years of government "support" has destroyed the family causes high mortality rates.
Fully supported by the left to this day.

Works on the faulty assumption that the poor family would stay together if the government didn't support them.

poor families don't stay together because they usually don't have anything to plant their flag on.

Not that middle class families do any better, the divorce rate is still something like 50%.

Let's be perfectly honest what social programs were. they were 'Please don't riot like you did in the 1960's" money.

There's plenty of work being done by poor people in Mexico and China that could be done by poor people here.

The rich would just have to settle for a few less Dressage Horsies..

 

[Gadawg73]

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Ignorance and irresponsibility in some communities where 50 years of government "support" has destroyed the family causes high mortality rates.
Fully supported by the left to this day.

Works on the faulty assumption that the poor family would stay together if the government didn't support them.

poor families don't stay together because they usually don't have anything to plant their flag on.

Not that middle class families do any better, the divorce rate is still something like 50%.

Let's be perfectly honest what social programs were. they were 'Please don't riot like you did in the 1960's" money.

There's plenty of work being done by poor people in Mexico and China that could be done by poor people here.

The rich would just have to settle for a few less Dressage Horsies..

What do the rich have to do with 75% of black babies born without a father in the house? Blame the rich for someone else sticking their Johnson in a woman's snatch. That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard as you just broke your record.

 

[Gadawg73]

If you leftists took all the money, time and resources bitching about the rich and used it to help the poor in your own communities instead of sitting on your asses you might make a difference.

 

[JoeB131]

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What do the rich have to do with 75% of black babies born without a father in the house? Blame the rich for someone else sticking their Johnson in a woman's snatch. That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard as you just broke your record.

Oh, in your world, all white people wait until marriage to have sex?

Really?

Guy, the thing is, it really kind of sucked to be poor before the Great Society. The Great Society just made it suck a little less, but it also gave the rubes someone to hate.

 

[JoeB131]

If you leftists took all the money, time and resources bitching about the rich and used it to help the poor in your own communities instead of sitting on your asses you might make a difference.

Why? If we did, the rich would just find new ways to abuse them... and us.

Hey, let's talk about one of the big abuses of poor people. The Payday Loan industry.

Or how big corporations are marketting gambling at poor people. (Whew... good thing they fucked up their ability to understand math first.)

First biggest problem in this country is income inequality. Fix that, everything else falls into place.

The Europeans have figured this out. We had figured it out in the 1960's and then we forgot it worked.

 

[freedombecki]

If you leftists took all the money, time and resources bitching about the rich and used it to help the poor in your own communities instead of sitting on your asses you might make a difference.

Why? If we did, the rich would just find new ways to abuse them... and us.

Hey, let's talk about one of the big abuses of poor people. The Payday Loan industry.

Or how big corporations are marketting gambling at poor people. (Whew... good thing they fucked up their ability to understand math first.)

First biggest problem in this country is income inequality. Fix that, everything else falls into place.

The Europeans have figured this out. We had figured it out in the 1960's and then we forgot it worked.

Why have an abuse complex, Joe? You can break away!

 

[JoeB131]

If you leftists took all the money, time and resources bitching about the rich and used it to help the poor in your own communities instead of sitting on your asses you might make a difference.

Why? If we did, the rich would just find new ways to abuse them... and us.

Hey, let's talk about one of the big abuses of poor people. The Payday Loan industry.

Or how big corporations are marketting gambling at poor people. (Whew... good thing they fucked up their ability to understand math first.)

First biggest problem in this country is income inequality. Fix that, everything else falls into place.

The Europeans have figured this out. We had figured it out in the 1960's and then we forgot it worked.

Why have an abuse complex, Joe? You can break away!

Stop the abuse, I won't find it that "complex".

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

NO, Cigna just goes ahead and denies people liver transplants or tells employers to fire employees that get sick.

Hey, guy, the idea of health care is NOT to make investors rich.

It's to provide care to patients.

Are you some kind of retard?

For someone who "claims" to do a lot of research, you are rather ill informed about what is going on regarding national health care. You honestly believe that a government controlled health care system won't deny treatment, that they are somehow BETTER than the private sector?

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Again, you go by anecdote... I can come up with plenty of anecdotes about people screwed over by our system.

I go by raw figures- The Brits live longer, spend less, have less babies dies in infancy, less people go bankrupt when they get sick.

I go by facts of problems that ARE found through a national health care system. Obviously I'm the only one that has done any research on the subject. You have yet to provide anything other than your "claim" of raw facts, none of which disproves what I have already provided, SUPPORTED by links. Let me know when you have the "ability" to provide supported facts, as you haven't proven anything.

 

[JoeB131]

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I go by facts of problems that ARE found through a national health care system. Obviously I'm the only one that has done any research on the subject. You have yet to provide anything other than your "claim" of raw facts, none of which disproves what I have already provided, SUPPORTED by links. Let me know when you have the "ability" to provide supported facts, as you haven't proven anything.

Guy, posting to LiberTardian websites isn't presenting facts...

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

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You seem to overlook that businesses have been exempt until next year....wanna guess how much the numbers rise then? Hmmmmm?
The numbers who are benefiting are those on medicare and medicaid....(not paying in)

You mean businesses that weren't getting the job done, either.

Look, guy, there was a simple enough solution to it. Universal health care with a single payer, get rid of all this bureaucracy of plans and deals and shit.

And you guys insisted up and down that we had to have private sector insurance involved.

The rest of the world has figured this out.

So let me get this straight, we spend double the rest of the world, and we need to have medicaid/medicare for all?

That makes no sense.

Joe is only recycling the same limited one sided talking points than he is citing any real "knowledge" concerning government vs private health care. I have already disproved some of his points with supported facts, but he'd rather repeat his same 'ol contrived message. In fact, he comes off as more of a brochure ad for Obamacare if you listen to him long enough.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

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I go by facts of problems that ARE found through a national health care system. Obviously I'm the only one that has done any research on the subject. You have yet to provide anything other than your "claim" of raw facts, none of which disproves what I have already provided, SUPPORTED by links. Let me know when you have the "ability" to provide supported facts, as you haven't proven anything.

Guy, posting to LiberTardian websites isn't presenting facts...

Prove to me that the links I provided came from a Libertarian website. The NHS links came from sources in Great Britain NOT FOX news, and the information concerning Canada allowing for private health care came from Canada's Supreme Court you idiot! "I have done plenty of research" my ass, you don't have the slightest clue. You are just hate being proven wrong, and that's a fact. Otherwise you'd find no objections in providing YOUR research, or rather the lack there of ... to disprove my points. You're not fooling anybody but yourself.

 

[JoeB131]

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Prove to me that the links I provided came from a Libertarian website. The NHS links came from sources in Great Britain NOT FOX news, and the information concerning Canada allowing for private health care came from Canada's Supreme Court you idiot! "I have done plenty of research" my ass, you don't have the slightest clue. You are just hate being proven wrong, and that's a fact. Otherwise you'd find no objections in providing YOUR research, or rather the lack there of ... to disprove my points. You're not fooling anybody but yourself.

When someone calls himself "Shackles of Big GOvernment", I already assume I am dealing with a nutcase who sees black helicopters, and I really don't pay much attention to anything he has to say.

Canada still has single payer, and not even teh Conservatives are trying to get rid of it. the UK still has nationalized health care, and no one is trying to get away from that either.

We spend the most, we get the worst results. We are just plain doing it wrong, but big insurance companies and the Koch brothers got dumbasses like you thinking you are going to lose your freedom if the government runs it instead of a big insurance company that probably would rather have you die to increase their profit margin.

 

[Gadawg73]

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What do the rich have to do with 75% of black babies born without a father in the house? Blame the rich for someone else sticking their Johnson in a woman's snatch. That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard as you just broke your record.

Oh, in your world, all white people wait until marriage to have sex?

Really?

Guy, the thing is, it really kind of sucked to be poor before the Great Society. The Great Society just made it suck a little less, but it also gave the rubes someone to hate.

Where did I say that and leave all white people or anyone out of the equation?
Thanks for proving my point as add in all the whites in there also and there you have it.
You are the one supporting creating MORE poor folks. You fully believe government can lift people out of poverty.
Show us one example where that has worked over the last 50 years, in what program?
We are worse off now after trillions spent.

 

[JoeB131]

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What do the rich have to do with 75% of black babies born without a father in the house? Blame the rich for someone else sticking their Johnson in a woman's snatch. That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard as you just broke your record.

Oh, in your world, all white people wait until marriage to have sex?

Really?

Guy, the thing is, it really kind of sucked to be poor before the Great Society. The Great Society just made it suck a little less, but it also gave the rubes someone to hate.

Where did I say that and leave all white people or anyone out of the equation?
Thanks for proving my point as add in all the whites in there also and there you have it.
You are the one supporting creating MORE poor folks. You fully believe government can lift people out of poverty.
Show us one example where that has worked over the last 50 years, in what program?
We are worse off now after trillions spent.

No, I don't think that at all.

I was pointing out the absurdity of your comment. While I am sure there is still a white person who is "saving it for marriage" out there somewhere, the fact is, most white folks are having sex outside of marriage.

The difference, of course, is that they have access to health care and family planning.

What is creating more poor folks is the greed of the wealthy.

If they hadn't moved those factories to China and Mexico, those poor black folks who maybe don't have the education would still have decent jobs.