One more reason why republicans will lose big in 2014

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Government is what created the problem in the first place. Prior to Medicare/Medicaid in the 1960s, healthcare expenditures amounted for about 5% of GDP, now it is approaching 20% and average people can no longer pay out of pocket for normal healthcare expenditures, they now need insurance or the government.

I am not a fan of the insurance companies either, that is why I oppose Obamacare, it is collaboration between insurance companies and the state to increase the profits of the insurance companies through government mandates. It is robbery.

Prior to Medicaid and Medicare, medical bills were paid for out of pocket, this is what should be the case. Now getting rid of Medicare and Medicaid over night is impossible. However, we can allow competition across state lines, health savings accounts, enact tort reform, and get rid of federal mandates for insurance companies(allowing individuals to buy "bare bones" plans). This would lower costs and increase competition, making the costs less burdensome on consumers.

Guy, this has to be the stupidest thing you've said yet.

DO you REALLY want to go back to 1960, where the average life expectency was 68 years (compared to 78 years now).

When you got old- YOU DIED!!!!!

This is not what I think I want to go back to, and I'm not sure why you want to.
No, it is a fact you dense twit.
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Healthcare - Just Facts

As far as healthcare policy, I absolutely want to go back to the pre medicaid/medicare days.

Yea, and increases in life expectancy have nothing to do with innovation in the field of medicine, it is all because of the magic of medicaid and medicare, lol. Piss off troll.
 
Oh no

the reactionary left wants the same kind of geniuses that developed
the Obamacare website to make healthcare decisions for us.

Just think of how Papa Obama and the left tried
to punish people by closing open air parks to old and wounded veterans


Just imagine the kind of punishment the gov't do
when/if they get full control of healthcare
 
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lying to make the US look bad
Papa Obama does enough of that for us

Pretty bad when Egypt turns to Russia
and not the US

Of course, can you blame them

We have seen it

Obama Lied
American Trust and Health care plans died

Do you suffer from some kind of OCD?

Because I think that's covered under ObamaCare now.

I'm sorry, I'm not up at night worried the Egyptians don't love us, becaue they never really did.

Let the Russians prop up their sorry economy. That will be amusing.

But stop avoiding the point.

How is it, that we spend TWICE or THREE TIMES what other industrialized democracies do?

Because we aren't getting better results for all that extra money spent. We have a lower life expectency and a higher infant mortality rate than most of them.

This was the question you keep avoiding.

Not at all- what's to avoid?
same worthless reactionary leftist talking points, I hear all the time.

What proof is there that life expectancy and money spent are directly related?
For that case, we spend more gov't money on education than any other western country
and we get some of the worst results.

Infant mortality, the same ones based on the garage UN stats...
The same agency that loves to dump and belittle the US any chance they get, that one

How other countries don't count low birthweight babies who die but, we do
Some European countries require a baby be alive 26 weeks to be counted as alive
Some in Europe do it based on size 30 centimeters (12 inches) long to be declared “alive”
Some countries if a baby dies within 24 hours, it is considered still born
Probably the same reason these countries have very high stillborn rates. Some parts of Europe, it is very high

-stats are funny things -
especially in the hands of the left


Truth is hard for the left
In fact, it is their worst enemy


Besides, now that crappy program is in place
The reactionary left should really be busy trying to make
up stats to show how better off , we are now.

Of course, it might be a harder sell.
After Papa Obama's lies
how can the US people really trust anything the left says?

"Look, we were lying that time but we are not lying this time"

good luck with that....

Is the left still trying to claim that ObamaCare will not add to the National Debt?
It is so hard to keep up with all of the lies from the left, these days.
 
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You seem to overlook that businesses have been exempt until next year....wanna guess how much the numbers rise then? Hmmmmm? :eusa_whistle:
The numbers who are benefiting are those on medicare and medicaid....(not paying in)

You mean businesses that weren't getting the job done, either.

Look, guy, there was a simple enough solution to it. Universal health care with a single payer, get rid of all this bureaucracy of plans and deals and shit.

And you guys insisted up and down that we had to have private sector insurance involved.

The rest of the world has figured this out.

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You can blame it on the republicans if it makes you feel better, Joe.
But, you didn't have enough democrats on board with your socialist approach to healthcare.....just sayin'
 
lying to make the US look bad
Papa Obama does enough of that for us

Pretty bad when Egypt turns to Russia
and not the US

Of course, can you blame them

We have seen it

Obama Lied
American Trust and Health care plans died

Do you suffer from some kind of OCD?

Because I think that's covered under ObamaCare now.

I'm sorry, I'm not up at night worried the Egyptians don't love us, becaue they never really did.

Let the Russians prop up their sorry economy. That will be amusing.

But stop avoiding the point.

How is it, that we spend TWICE or THREE TIMES what other industrialized democracies do?

Because we aren't getting better results for all that extra money spent. We have a lower life expectency and a higher infant mortality rate than most of them.

This was the question you keep avoiding.

Holler when somebody answers the bolded.
 
You mean businesses that weren't getting the job done, either.

Look, guy, there was a simple enough solution to it. Universal health care with a single payer, get rid of all this bureaucracy of plans and deals and shit.

And you guys insisted up and down that we had to have private sector insurance involved.

The rest of the world has figured this out.

US_spends_much_more_on_health_than_what_might_be_expected_1_slideshow.jpg

So let me get this straight, we spend double the rest of the world, and we need to have medicaid/medicare for all?

That makes no sense.

Ooookay.

Try to explain it to you slower.

Get rid of the insurance companies with their 30% overhead, their 83 million dollar severance packages for retiring CEO's, their stock dividends and commercials telling people they aren't fucking them over at all, really. Get rid of the three people in every doctor's office who do nothing but fight with insurance companies and then have to collect from patients when the insurance companies don't pay.

Insurance companies don't have 30% overhead you fucking moron
 
Actually that's a mirror you are talking to, bigrebnc, so take your own advice.

Why don't you make me chicken shit.
Cock sucker that son of a bitch thinks those countries are so great why don't you and the bitch move there together.

I served this country, son, and you did not. Those are good countries, but America is better, and since my day in part, with all Veterans, is this Monday, think about this who protected your ass because you wouldn't serve.

Yah, keep talking to the tool in the mirror.
 
lying to make the US look bad
Papa Obama does enough of that for us

Pretty bad when Egypt turns to Russia
and not the US

Of course, can you blame them

We have seen it

Obama Lied
American Trust and Health care plans died

Do you suffer from some kind of OCD?

Because I think that's covered under ObamaCare now.

I'm sorry, I'm not up at night worried the Egyptians don't love us, becaue they never really did.

Let the Russians prop up their sorry economy. That will be amusing.

But stop avoiding the point.

How is it, that we spend TWICE or THREE TIMES what other industrialized democracies do?

Because we aren't getting better results for all that extra money spent. We have a lower life expectency and a higher infant mortality rate than most of them.

This was the question you keep avoiding.

You're a dumb ass joe how much do you spend on drugs a year? Me I spend maybe 30 dollars I don't buy drug store pills. I don't over medicate myself life others do. If I have a cough or a stuffed up head I don't go running to the drug store or doctor. That is the problem with Americans they too stupid to take care of them self.
 
Actually that's a mirror you are talking to, bigrebnc, so take your own advice.

Why don't you make me chicken shit.
Cock sucker that son of a bitch thinks those countries are so great why don't you and the bitch move there together.

I served this country, son, and you did not. Those are good countries, but America is better, and since my day in part, with all Veterans, is this Monday, think about this who protected your ass because you wouldn't serve.

Yah, keep talking to the tool in the mirror.

You know you're lying toad we've been through this before. Remember that ABGD?
 
Why don't you make me chicken shit.
Cock sucker that son of a bitch thinks those countries are so great why don't you and the bitch move there together.

I served this country, son, and you did not. Those are good countries, but America is better, and since my day in part, with all Veterans, is this Monday, think about this who protected your ass because you wouldn't serve.

Yah, keep talking to the tool in the mirror.

You know you're lying toad we've been through this before. Remember that ABGD?

Remember you got taken down and exposed as a liar?

We will do it again if you want.
 
I served this country, son, and you did not. Those are good countries, but America is better, and since my day in part, with all Veterans, is this Monday, think about this who protected your ass because you wouldn't serve.

Yah, keep talking to the tool in the mirror.

You know you're lying toad we've been through this before. Remember that ABGD?

Remember you got taken down and exposed as a liar?

We will do it again if you want.

Go ask daveman
 
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Actually that's a mirror you are talking to, bigrebnc, so take your own advice.

Why don't you make me chicken shit.
Cock sucker that son of a bitch thinks those countries are so great why don't you and the bitch move there together.

I served this country, son, and you did not. Those are good countries, but America is better, and since my day in part, with all Veterans, is this Monday, think about this who protected your ass because you wouldn't serve.

Yah, keep talking to the tool in the mirror.

You deserve a medal for actually reading his shit.
 
why don't you make me chicken shit.
Cock sucker that son of a bitch thinks those countries are so great why don't you and the bitch move there together.

i served this country, son, and you did not. Those are good countries, but america is better, and since my day in part, with all veterans, is this monday, think about this who protected your ass because you wouldn't serve.

Yah, keep talking to the tool in the mirror.

you deserve a medal for actually reading his shit.

rotten pussy is back?
 
Go ask daveman

Nothing to ask. We served. You didn't.

We will do it again if you want and expose you as a liar.

You so well fulfill Benjamin Franklin's comment in the first line of my sig.

My ASFC was 81150 I was trained at camp bullis Texas after basic ABGD and who the fuck is we

The "we" is you and the gopher in your pocket. So you were Air Security? Good for you. And I honor your service.
 
Why don't you make me chicken shit.
Cock sucker that son of a bitch thinks those countries are so great why don't you and the bitch move there together.

I served this country, son, and you did not. Those are good countries, but America is better, and since my day in part, with all Veterans, is this Monday, think about this who protected your ass because you wouldn't serve.

Yah, keep talking to the tool in the mirror.

You deserve a medal for actually reading his shit.

I thought he had not served. Apparently he knows the lingo at least.

I bet though he was discharged early for some nonsense he pulled.
 
That's what I thought.

He snuck away again.

Well, he is learning that retreat is the better part of avoiding being stupid, and that took him more than three years to get it.
 

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