Ok- Time for the TRUTH about the Confederate Battle Flag

[WinterBorn]

Um, it is unconstitutional. That's why the Southern nuts legalized it in their consitution.

No its not..... you have to realize that not all human beings are People.

I disagree. The only exception MIGHT be to label someone willing to accept slavery as only vaguely human and not a person.

 

[Anathema]

[And who determines what defines living properly? In the confederate south a person could be bought and sold as property, no matter how they lived. They had absolutely no rights whatsoever. And if their owner killed them, no one questioned it, since he owned them. THAT is the definition of despicable and disgusting behavior.

Our ancestors thousands if years ago defined it. I am well aware of what could be done with slaves.

 

[WinterBorn]

Knock yourself out. What are you waiting for?

Also, I'm curious. Would all this white angst have happened if Obama wasn't ever elected president? That is what this is all about, right?

It's coming and sooner than you'd think.

This has nothing to do with Obastard. It's been growing for 150 years.

The south is not going to secede. First of all, in terms of tax dollars, most of the south takes in more federal dollars than they send out. So they can't afford to seceded.

Second of all, the south is famously patriotic. The idea of not being part of the USA and not being an American would gall most southerners.

 

[Ravi]

Knock yourself out. What are you waiting for?

Also, I'm curious. Would all this white angst have happened if Obama wasn't ever elected president? That is what this is all about, right?

It's coming and sooner than you'd think.

This has nothing to do with Obastard. It's been growing for 150 years.

How so?

 

[Anathema]

I disagree. The only exception MIGHT be to label someone willing to accept slavery as only vaguely human and not a person.

Label me whatever you want. I couldn't care any less.

 

[WinterBorn]

[And who determines what defines living properly? In the confederate south a person could be bought and sold as property, no matter how they lived. They had absolutely no rights whatsoever. And if their owner killed them, no one questioned it, since he owned them. THAT is the definition of despicable and disgusting behavior.

Our ancestors thousands if years ago defined it. I am well aware of what could be done with slaves.

And they were wrong. We have evolved socially.

Our ancestors thousands of years ago also considered women to be property. Do you agree with that as well?

Oh, and our ancestors thousands of years ago did not base slavery on behavior, so that part of your ideal is nonsense by your own standards.

 

[Ravi]

Knock yourself out. What are you waiting for?

Also, I'm curious. Would all this white angst have happened if Obama wasn't ever elected president? That is what this is all about, right?

It's coming and sooner than you'd think.

This has nothing to do with Obastard. It's been growing for 150 years.

The south is not going to secede. First of all, in terms of tax dollars, most of the south takes in more federal dollars than they send out. So they can't afford to seceded.

Second of all, the south is famously patriotic. The idea of not being part of the USA and not being an American would gall most southerners.

Not to mention they'd have a hard time buying food since they on the whole don't produce much in the south.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Knock yourself out. What are you waiting for?

Also, I'm curious. Would all this white angst have happened if Obama wasn't ever elected president? That is what this is all about, right?

It's coming and sooner than you'd think.

This has nothing to do with Obastard. It's been growing for 150 years.

OMG! The Keyboard commandos are on the move! Grab your mouse and head for the hills!

 

[LoneLaugher]

As a matter of fact....many Southern units of the military in WW1 and WW2 also took a Confederate BATTLE flag into Germany to war. To fight white Nazis.

Why? Poor Southern troops....going to war...for a cause rich people sold them on.



Now...obviously society and optics have changed.

I agree the flag needs to come off government property.

But please...at least know the truth.

No, it was a few in ww2 that did that. Not widespread and I'm surprised it was allowed. They should have been shot for treason.

Southern Marine Corp units raised it at Okinawa. A USMC General (who was the son of a confederate general) told them to take it down.

Funny....the Marines didnt fight black people in Japan.

Its a battle flag of the poor Southern soldier.

Pretend all you want. Only your idiot like minded thinkers agree with you.

Yeah....people who are more educated on the topic are the idiots. Got it.

I agree it needs to come down. Its been hijacked by racists. But knowing history doesnt make one an idiot.




And this flag...is a distraction. The left is terrified of the diverse display of unity and prayer and peace shown by the people of Charleston. ...a stark contrast to the hate and division in blue areas like Baltimore and Chicago.

And thats why they need this.

That was retarded.....even for you.

 

[Anathema]

......Second of all, the south is famously patriotic. The idea of not being part of the USA and not being an American would gall most southerners.

Then there are no true Patriots left in this country and is Humanity as a whole is DOOMED

 

[WinterBorn]

......Second of all, the south is famously patriotic. The idea of not being part of the USA and not being an American would gall most southerners.

Then there are no true Patriots left in this country and is Humanity as a whole is DOOMED

Think what you will. It does not change the fact that there are still patriots in this country.

 

[Ravi]

......Second of all, the south is famously patriotic. The idea of not being part of the USA and not being an American would gall most southerners.

Then there are no true Patriots left in this country and is Humanity as a whole is DOOMED

You don't represent humanity and I'm happy to know your type is doomed.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Obviously all the diverse unity in Charleston was unacceptable for libs...so they went 120 miles inland to find a target. Im a bit of a history buff. WW2 particularly. But living in Charleston theres so much from 1600-present. A bit of truth to clear some fog.

The Confederate Battle Flag was NOT the flag of the Confederacy.

Flags of the Confederate States of America - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

It was a battle flag.

In the South...only 3% of whites owned slaves. Yet...hundreds of thousands of poor whites and non whites fought. Why? Well...that 3% owning slaves were the rich. And they also owned the newspapers (only media back then). So.....they controlled info. They brainwashed poor Southerners to think the Union troops were coming to steal land and resources and rape women. And General Sherman's "Total War" philosophy only helped fuel that.

Was the war about slavery? YES.
Did MOST Southern troops think that? NO.

It would be like sending todays military to fight a war to preserve Warren Buffetts mansion. They'd never do it....unless you tricked them into it.



So...they took up arms and fought. They THOUGHT the war was just....but were duped by rich men to fight for THEIR interests (sound familiar).


THE FLAG:

These Southern troops were poor and lacked equipment. Uniforms often included. So....there were many times that lines of Southern troops fired on each other from thick woods and swamps.

Friendly fire. So....to avoid that....a battle flag was used to identify Southern troops.

And THAT is what the flag means and represents to SOME....the noble poor Southern troops who THOUGHT they were defending a farm and family....but were being used by a wealthy slave owner based on false premises that were sold through newspapers.

Thats the truth. AND...its also true that racists have hijacked the flag and because of that...it cannot and should not be flown. Its no longer about the true meaning. Its the hijacked meaning.


But for those who dont get it...thats what the people who say they support the heritage of the flag are saying. Poor men who did NOT own slaves...being duped by the wealthy and sent to die. And that flag represented those men in battle. Thats all.

You're wrong about one thing.

The war was about States Rights. Slavery was incidental at the outset but became more prominent later on.

You are wrong.

 

[Anathema]

And they were wrong. We have evolved socially.

Our ancestors thousands of years ago also considered women to be property. Do you agree with that as well?

Oh, and our ancestors thousands of years ago did not base slavery on behavior, so that part of your ideal is nonsense by your own standards.

Evolution is a fraud.... especially philosophical evolution.

Yes I agree with women as property.

Yes they did. That behavior was being of the wrong gender, ethnicity, etc....

 

[Anathema]

You don't represent humanity and I'm happy to know your type is doomed.

I represent Humanity. You folks represent brainless apes with no Morals or Values. If my type is doomed then you worthless wastes of flesh and oxygen will go down with us.

 

[WinterBorn]

And they were wrong. We have evolved socially.

Our ancestors thousands of years ago also considered women to be property. Do you agree with that as well?

Oh, and our ancestors thousands of years ago did not base slavery on behavior, so that part of your ideal is nonsense by your own standards.

Evolution is a fraud.... especially philosophical evolution.

Yes I agree with women as property.

Yes they did. That behavior was being of the wrong gender, ethnicity, etc....

Evolving happens. That is not debateable, it is fact. I am not talking about biological evolution but social.

That you believe that people in general, and women in specifics, should be property, then we don't have enough common ground to have a discussion.

And yes, your world is coming to an end. Mine is going to continue.

 

[WinterBorn]

You don't represent humanity and I'm happy to know your type is doomed.

I represent Humanity. You folks represent brainless apes with no Morals or Values. If my type is doomed then you worthless wastes of flesh and oxygen will go down with us.

YOu claim morals and values, and yet believe slavery is acceptable and women should be property? Sorry, both of those are disgustingly immoral and have no value.

 

[Ravi]

You don't represent humanity and I'm happy to know your type is doomed.

I represent Humanity. You folks represent brainless apes with no Morals or Values. If my type is doomed then you worthless wastes of flesh and oxygen will go down with us.

Cool story bro.

 

[Anathema]

Evolving happens. That is not debatable, it is fact. I am not talking about biological evolution but social.

That you believe that people in general, and women in specifics, should be property, then we don't have enough common ground to have a discussion.

And yes, your world is coming to an end. Mine is going to continue.

Social evolution is merely the acceptance of immoral and improper behavior.

We've never had common ground for a discussion

Your world will crumble when we are no longer here to prop it up.

 

[Diana1180]

Yes I agree with women as property.

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This is sad on so many levels.