Ok- Time for the TRUTH about the Confederate Battle Flag

[rightwinger]

Obviously all the diverse unity in Charleston was unacceptable for libs...so they went 120 miles inland to find a target. Im a bit of a history buff. WW2 particularly. But living in Charleston theres so much from 1600-present. A bit of truth to clear some fog.

The Confederate Battle Flag was NOT the flag of the Confederacy.

Flags of the Confederate States of America - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

It was a battle flag.

In the South...only 3% of whites owned slaves. Yet...hundreds of thousands of poor whites and non whites fought. Why? Well...that 3% owning slaves were the rich. And they also owned the newspapers (only media back then). So.....they controlled info. They brainwashed poor Southerners to think the Union troops were coming to steal land and resources and rape women. And General Sherman's "Total War" philosophy only helped fuel that.

Was the war about slavery? YES.
Did MOST Southern troops think that? NO.

It would be like sending todays military to fight a war to preserve Warren Buffetts mansion. They'd never do it....unless you tricked them into it.



So...they took up arms and fought. They THOUGHT the war was just....but were duped by rich men to fight for THEIR interests (sound familiar).


THE FLAG:

These Southern troops were poor and lacked equipment. Uniforms often included. So....there were many times that lines of Southern troops fired on each other from thick woods and swamps.

Friendly fire. So....to avoid that....a battle flag was used to identify Southern troops.

And THAT is what the flag means and represents to SOME....the noble poor Southern troops who THOUGHT they were defending a farm and family....but were being used by a wealthy slave owner based on false premises that were sold through newspapers.

Thats the truth. AND...its also true that racists have hijacked the flag and because of that...it cannot and should not be flown. Its no longer about the true meaning. Its the hijacked meaning.


But for those who dont get it...thats what the people who say they support the heritage of the flag are saying. Poor men who did NOT own slaves...being duped by the wealthy and sent to die. And that flag represented those men in battle. Thats all.

Good post

If the battle flag had been left at that, I doubt if anyone would object to it. But 100 years after the war it became a new symbol. A symbol to remind blacks of their proper place in society. A way to give the finger to those seeking to end segregation. A symbol the KKK wrapped themselves up in

At best, it was merely a battle flag for a lost cause. At worst, a symbol of slavery and subjugation

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[Anathema]

Then no one will shed a tear when it is removed from public space.

Many will. Some who aren't even Southerners by birth but understand that the South was right in the conflict.

 

[WinterBorn]

Then no one will shed a tear when it is removed from public space.

Many will. Some who aren't even Southerners by birth but understand that the South was right in the conflict.

Right in the conflict? They were absolutely wrong in the conflict. They wanted to preserve slavery. I can think of few things as despicably wrong.

 

[Anathema]

Right in the conflict? They were absolutely wrong in the conflict. They wanted to preserve slavery. I can think of few things as despicably wrong.

As compared to Gross Treason against the founding document of the country?...... the US Constitution. THAT was Mr. Lincoln's crime; along with the crime of every Union soldier.

 

[WinterBorn]

Right in the conflict? They were absolutely wrong in the conflict. They wanted to preserve slavery. I can think of few things as despicably wrong.

As compared to Gross Treason against the founding document of the country?...... the US Constitution. THAT was Mr. Lincoln's crime; along with the crime of every Union soldier.

So we compare crimes to determine guilt?

The secession was to preserve slavery. That, in and of itself, speaks volumes about both the confederacy and the battle flag of that nation.

 

[Ravi]

Then no one will shed a tear when it is removed from public space.

Many will. Some who aren't even Southerners by birth but understand that the South was right in the conflict.

So?

 

[Anathema]

So we compare crimes to determine guilt?

The secession was to preserve slavery. That, in and of itself, speaks volumes about both the confederacy and the battle flag of that nation.

Slavery was NOT a crime at the time and should not be now. Treason always has been and always will be.

 

[WinterBorn]

So we compare crimes to determine guilt?

The secession was to preserve slavery. That, in and of itself, speaks volumes about both the confederacy and the battle flag of that nation.

Slavery was NOT a crime at the time and should not be now. Treason always has been and always will be.

Slavery should not be a crime? You believe that one person should be able to own another person like property???

 

[Anathema]

So?

So..... When the SHOOTING portion of this war starts don't think all of us born North of the Mason-Dixon Line or West of the Confederate States will be fighting for the Union.

 

[Ravi]

So we compare crimes to determine guilt?

The secession was to preserve slavery. That, in and of itself, speaks volumes about both the confederacy and the battle flag of that nation.

Slavery was NOT a crime at the time and should not be now. Treason always has been and always will be.

Um, it is unconstitutional. That's why the Southern nuts legalized it in their consitution.

 

[Anathema]

Slavery should not be a crime? You believe that one person should be able to own another person like property???

I don't believe being a human being makes one a Person. The ability and willingness to live properly does.

 

[WinterBorn]

So?

So..... When the SHOOTING portion of this war starts don't think all of us born North of the Mason-Dixon Line or West of the Confederate States will be fighting for the Union.

So.....When you want to start a shooting war, don't think that the south will secede again to give you that opportunity.

 

[Ravi]

So?

So..... When the SHOOTING portion of this war starts don't think all of us born North of the Mason-Dixon Line or West of the Confederate States will be fighting for the Union.

Knock yourself out. What are you waiting for?

Also, I'm curious. Would all this white angst have happened if Obama wasn't ever elected president? That is what this is all about, right?

 

[Anathema]

Um, it is unconstitutional. That's why the Southern nuts legalized it in their consitution.

No its not..... you have to realize that not all human beings are People.

 

[Freewill]

Obviously all the diverse unity in Charleston was unacceptable for libs...so they went 120 miles inland to find a target. Im a bit of a history buff. WW2 particularly. But living in Charleston theres so much from 1600-present. A bit of truth to clear some fog.

The Confederate Battle Flag was NOT the flag of the Confederacy.

Flags of the Confederate States of America - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

It was a battle flag.

In the South...only 3% of whites owned slaves. Yet...hundreds of thousands of poor whites and non whites fought. Why? Well...that 3% owning slaves were the rich. And they also owned the newspapers (only media back then). So.....they controlled info. They brainwashed poor Southerners to think the Union troops were coming to steal land and resources and rape women. And General Sherman's "Total War" philosophy only helped fuel that.

Was the war about slavery? YES.
Did MOST Southern troops think that? NO.

It would be like sending todays military to fight a war to preserve Warren Buffetts mansion. They'd never do it....unless you tricked them into it.



So...they took up arms and fought. They THOUGHT the war was just....but were duped by rich men to fight for THEIR interests (sound familiar).


THE FLAG:

These Southern troops were poor and lacked equipment. Uniforms often included. So....there were many times that lines of Southern troops fired on each other from thick woods and swamps.

Friendly fire. So....to avoid that....a battle flag was used to identify Southern troops.

And THAT is what the flag means and represents to SOME....the noble poor Southern troops who THOUGHT they were defending a farm and family....but were being used by a wealthy slave owner based on false premises that were sold through newspapers.

Thats the truth. AND...its also true that racists have hijacked the flag and because of that...it cannot and should not be flown. Its no longer about the true meaning. Its the hijacked meaning.


But for those who dont get it...thats what the people who say they support the heritage of the flag are saying. Poor men who did NOT own slaves...being duped by the wealthy and sent to die. And that flag represented those men in battle. Thats all.

Biggest con job in US history.

 

[WinterBorn]

Slavery should not be a crime? You believe that one person should be able to own another person like property???

I don't believe being a human being makes one a Person. The ability and willingness to live properly does.

And who determines what defines living properly? In the confederate south a person could be bought and sold as property, no matter how they lived. They had absolutely no rights whatsoever. And if their owner killed them, no one questioned it, since he owned them. THAT is the definition of despicable and disgusting behavior.

 

[Anathema]

So.....When you want to start a shooting war, don't think that the south will secede again to give you that opportunity.

You folks have already put these states in a position to see Secession as better than remaining part of this pathetic Union.

 

[Ravi]

Um, it is unconstitutional. That's why the Southern nuts legalized it in their consitution.

No its not..... you have to realize that not all human beings are People.

No I do not. Just because you have retarded view doesn't make them correct.

 

[WinterBorn]

So.....When you want to start a shooting war, don't think that the south will secede again to give you that opportunity.

You folks have already put these states in a position to see Secession as better than remaining part of this pathetic Union.

Absolute nonsense.

 

[Anathema]

Knock yourself out. What are you waiting for?

Also, I'm curious. Would all this white angst have happened if Obama wasn't ever elected president? That is what this is all about, right?

It's coming and sooner than you'd think.

This has nothing to do with Obastard. It's been growing for 150 years.